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Related: About this forumEvangelical leaders endorsed Trump. Now his fanatics are destroying the Evangelical Church.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24 and Mark 13:22 NRSV (1989)
When the evangelical wing of the Republican Party saw that a lying, cheating, thieving philanderer who couldn't even quote a single line from the Bible was the rising new star of the Republican Party, what did they do?
Did they object?
Did they oppose this godless man of selfishness, sin and greed?
No.
They latched themselves onto him like parasites. They endorsed the false prophet because they wanted to profit off his influence to increase their political power.
And now they realize that abandoning their religious ideals for the sake of political power leads to bad consequences for their religion.
NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN THAT!!!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/evangelical-trump-christians-politics/620469/
A small group of people, inside and outside this church, coordinated a divisive effort to use disinformation in order to persuade others to vote these men down as part of a broader effort to take control of this church, David Platt, a 43-year-old minister at McLean Bible Church and a best-selling author, charged in a July 4 sermon.
Platt said church members had been misled, having been told, among other things, that the three individuals nominated to be elders would advocate selling the church building to Muslims, who would convert it into a mosque.
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What happened at McLean Bible Church is happening all over the evangelical world. Influential figures such as the theologian Russell Moore and the Bible teacher Beth Moore felt compelled to leave the Southern Baptist Convention; both were targeted by right-wing elements within the SBC.
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Nearly everyone tells me there is at the very least a small group in nearly every evangelical church complaining and agitating against teaching or policies that arent sufficiently conservative or anti-woke, a pastor and prominent figure within the evangelical world told me. (Like others with whom I spoke about this topic, he requested anonymity in order to speak candidly.) Its everywhere.
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The root of the discord lies in the fact that many Christians have embraced the worst aspects of our culture and our politics. When the Christian faith is politicized, churches become repositories not of grace but of grievances, places where tribal identities are reinforced, where fears are nurtured, and where aggression and nastiness are sacralized. The result is not only wounding the nation; its having a devastating impact on the Christian faith.
It gets even funnier down in the article when Evangelicals lament that evangelical believers are prone to political extremism because the evangelical Church did not spend enough time and effort to properly indoctrinate their believers into the core beliefs.
NO, YOU DUMB FUCKS!!!
YOU SUPPORTED AND ENDORSED A MAN WHO REPRESENTS EVERYTHING YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO OPPOSE!!!
YOU SOLD THIS FALSE PROPHET TO YOUR CONGREGATIONS AS A RIGHTEOUS MAN!!!
IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT YOUR CONGEGRATIONS HAVE ABANDONED GOD AND WORSHIP TRUMP AND HIS FOUL CREED OF HATRED!!!
Let them eat their own through infighting. No tears.
Lovie777
(14,995 posts)GOD is shaking his or her head in disgust.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)NotHardly
(1,172 posts)... the "I didn't know the leopards would eat my face" issue. Either way, I'm kinda OK with it being the Joker's "You get what you f*cking deserve."
hibbing
(10,402 posts)Sounds like a lot of racism going on.
Peace
2naSalit
(92,665 posts)How fitting for those who live by self fulfilling prophesies.
underpants
(186,612 posts)LakeArenal
(29,797 posts)we can do it
(12,774 posts)tanyev
(44,502 posts)Blowback.
brewens
(15,359 posts)state rep facing rape charges. He's tall good looking dude that I think might be seeing a private jet in his future.
He posted some big long article for a Christian publication rationalizing their support for the former guy. It was mostly the god choosing imperfect men bullshit, aimed at making them feel okay about it because they got their judges.
His name is Mark Trigstead. I played football with hi in high school. He was our QB, and went to West Point. He looked to be on track to be their starting QB, but washed out for some reason. I think he went and got him religion right after whatever ruined his Army career. It must have been bad, because how well he is known and how many people I know that know him, and no one knows what it was or has ever said.
There's a hell of a lot of old poor peoples grocery money to be had out there.
Ocelot II
(120,813 posts)Yup. But Trump and Trumpism have weaponized meanness, and evangelical Christians have given meanness the imprimatur of godliness.
Anybody who's been around churches at all knows that they are infested with holier-than-thou busybodies who insist that they're doing God's will when they complain that Mrs. Nelson has never done her fair share of work at the bake sale and she should be kicked off the committee and that we should be using the old blue hymnals and not the new red ones because they aren't scriptural; and people get crazy mad about such things. But the fundies have gone completely hateful, like rabid wolverines, to the point where they are gutting their own congregations - which is fine with me.
rurallib
(63,195 posts){snicker}
Jilly_in_VA
(10,877 posts)about the other side of the Evangelicals, pastors who have left Evangelical Churches (or in some cases been thrown out, the way John Pavlovitz was) and have begun their own movement. It was really enlightening. If it's still there today I will post it. Apparently their churches are doing well.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Me: How old is the earth?
Evangelical: Seven thousand years old.
Me: How old is the universe?
Evangelical: We aren't sure, maybe seven thousand years old, maybe forever.
Me: How long has God been around?
Evangelical: Oh, well, God has been around forever.
Me: So, how can we human earth creatues be THAT important if God has been around for all time and we've only been around for seven thousand years?! How special are we? What was God doing with all of his free time?
* crickets *
lonely bird
(1,884 posts)Is about social control. At least the three so-called Abrahamic faiths are.
Which brings us to this:
When you mix religion and politics you get politics.
packman
(16,296 posts)Can fleece the flock for only so much using politics, but religion and belief in that invisible God is a forever shearing.
Traildogbob
(9,958 posts)Threatened of a Tax free ending for their black racism. Now any black dumb enough to believe in that cult is welcomed, actually recruited like a black at a Trump KKKlan jamboree. Optics.
paleotn
(19,178 posts)that its now Melanin Bible Church." - From an email floating around the McLean congregation.
Well, surprise, surprise. The Reich wing movement in evangelical world is animated by what? Racism? Who could have guessed?
There's been a strong, racist undertone in evangelical world from the start. It hasn't abated one bit since the desegregation fights.
eppur_se_muova
(37,389 posts)Traildogbob
(9,958 posts)Evilgelical hypoChistians. (White Jesus folks) everybody knows Jesus was white. Look at the pictures. There is always white glass in the stained glass in churches. Gotta be real. Good AND Santa are white too. There was a big segment on Fox, proving it.
hermetic
(8,622 posts)or at least complaining loudly, about their tax exemptions. Write letter to the IRS? I dunno, but somebody needs to do something because it's just become ridiculous. Maybe I should change my name to Hermetic Church and quit paying taxes?
LuvLoogie
(7,542 posts)That is their religion, whether they admit it or not. Their piety is a shroud.
Blue Owl
(54,726 posts)Deep State Witch
(11,248 posts)For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." (Hosea 8 ).
Martin Eden
(13,458 posts)But they are their own worst enemies.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...you'd think Christianity was just fine and dandy before Trump came along.
Not so much the case, though.