Who Is Affected by the Dunning-Kruger Effect?

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

So, who is affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect? Unfortunately, we all are. This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.

To read more:

https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

Often people make overly broad statements, especially regarding religion and theists. But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect in action rather than make any relevant observation about religion or theists.

[FM123]

1. This is not only an interesting effect (and article)

but what a coincidence - I was just watching a tv show called "Adam Ruins Everything" (episode: Adam Ruins Himself) with my kid and they were discussing this very effect...

[guillaumeb]

3. I am an expert in nothing, but even experts in something are not experts in everything.

Mia also posted an article on this earlier.

[FM123]

4. It is such a fascinating subject!

[guillaumeb]

6. Look at Ben Carson.

As a brain surgeon, he was obviously competent, but as a politician....?

[pandr32]

2. No shortage of good examples running around

[guillaumeb]

5. True. I am also guilty of it at times.

But that also might be generalized presumption of competence by a male.

[RainCaster]

7. "His base" is a prime example of this effect

The lack of introspection is a key component of this.

[edhopper]

8. How insulting

to people who disagree with you.

"But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect"

Not sometimes, not once in a while, but "generally", which implies mostly.

Sorry, but people who comment on your posts are as well informed as they seem to be.

[trotsky]

10. And that's exactly the point.

Most of what guillaumeb has to say in this forum comes back to one simple thought: "Non-believers need to stop criticizing religion."

He's discovered a shiny new toy that he thinks will assist in his quest to silence that criticism (to him, Dunning-Kruger means that all non-believers are too stupid/ignorant about religion to be able to criticize it), and so he started a new thread to highlight it.

[guillaumeb]

16. Off topic.

The topic is Dunning-Kruger. Are you immune from the effects?

So, who is affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect? Unfortunately, we all are. This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.

[wasupaloopa]

28. No the reason for the OP is to stifle criticism of religion

and you continue it.

[guillaumeb]

30. We will agree to disagree.

I have posted negative stories about theists as well.

[wasupaloopa]

31. That makes sense. Sorry

[guillaumeb]

32. Not a problem.

On another topic, we can all watch the Trump Administration's slow implosion from the weight of all of those lies and crimes.

[Voltaire2]

36. The topic is exorcism.

If you want to discuss something else please start your own thread.

[trotsky]

41. On the contrary, it's your key topic, as anyone can plainly see.

You want to stifle the viewpoints of non-believers, and you'll use anything to do it.

I am immune to Dunning-Kruger when it comes to theology, because there is no way to verify that a theist such as yourself knows more about gods than I do.

[guillaumeb]

47. At least you demonstrated something.

And yes, we are all familiar with your narrative.

[trotsky]

48. So predictable.

Faced with facts you can't counter, you retreat to accusations of "narratives."

I prefer to let people judge you themselves, and decide if it's my "narrative" or the truth.

[guillaumeb]

15. Well.....

So, who is affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect? Unfortunately, we all are. This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.

[edhopper]

19. It appears

you don't understand the DK effect. In fact i would say your use of it here is a perfect illustration of it.

[guillaumeb]

20. Then you explain it to me.

And, explain how anyone mocking theists as delusional is not exemplifying Dunning-Kruger by making an unprovable claim while assuming that they are competent to do so.

[Eko]

39. Because you believe in a sky daddy,,

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You believe in a sky daddy. You are dunning-Kruger. You say something is true without any proof and you know it is true. You know how we all got here, how the universe got here, what we are supposed to do, where we are going, and what happens to us when we die. You know everything and yet know nothing. That is Dunning-Kruger in a nutshell.

[AtheistCrusader]

45. Oh man, when this thread started, I thought you understood how DK effect worked. Silly me.

You are committing a formal fallacy. More than one, actually.

It does not follow that claiming theists are delusional is unprovable.
Delusion, in common parlance, is a spectrum that does not imply or require a psychological diagnosis like this one https://www.mdpi.com/1010-660X/44/7/529 . And if you want to talk about unprovability, the person who claims theism is correct/adheres to it, is AT LEAST on as shaky ground as the person suggesting theism might be a delusion. Because theists of different sects can't even prove the reality of their theistic beliefs to each other.

It also does not follow that everyone who makes that claim, is not competent to make the claim.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

9. So why not just reply to the original post about this?

Kind of an all about me thing.

But as to your point, you, once again, fail to apply things correctly. I am no longer shocked

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. Certainly not you.

[guillaumeb]

17. #5

5. True. I am also guilty of it at times.

But that also might be generalized presumption of competence by a male.

[trotsky]

43. "at times"

What times? Can you give examples?

[Voltaire2]

12. Case in point:

Often people make overly broad statements, especially regarding religion and theists. But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect in action rather than make any relevant observation about religion or theists.

[trotsky]

13. LOL n/t

[NeoGreen]

14. LMAO!

Touche'!

[guillaumeb]

18. Are you exempt from Dunning-Kruger

[Voltaire2]

21. what about the exorcism in arizona where a man killed his son

last week?

Huh? WADDABOUDAT?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/01/arizona-boy-dead-after-man-performed-exorcism-get-demon-out/3833310002/

[guillaumeb]

22. Are you exempt from employing whataboutism? eom

[Act_of_Reparation]

40. What about the report of systemic abuse in the Diocese of Tulsa that was just released yesterday?

[Major Nikon]

33. Sometimes you have to wonder if he's trying to be a parody of himself

For his sake I hope so.

[edhopper]

23. from the article

Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.

Most smart people are aware of the areas in which they are deficient. The DK effect does not apply to everyone.

Hope that explains where you went astray here.

[guillaumeb]

24. From the excerpt:

So, who is affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect?

Unfortunately, we all are.

This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.

Again,

Unfortunately, we all are.

[edhopper]

25. Of course we are

but the DK effect is specifically about people who don't know that they are uninformed.

Most of us understand that we are, and therefore the DK effect is not pertinent.

I am letting you know you are mistaken about how you are applying it here. You can go on showing you are uninformed and try to show you know something you don't (that is the DK effect), or accept your lack of knowledge in this area.

[guillaumeb]

26. OK.

And you did actually say:

Most smart people are aware of the areas in which they are deficient. The DK effect does not apply to everyone.

Hope that explains where you went astray here.

So are you now retracting your earlier claim?

[edhopper]

38. What claim?

The DK effect is not about being uniformed or incompent in some area. It's about those who think they are becasue they are too ignorant or unintelligent to know they aren't

[wasupaloopa]

27. Many of us here were raised in a religious home.

I was raised a Catholic though I never believed the church’s teachings.

My brother is a Catholic priest, not the alter boy fucker type. He was once married and has two kids.

I know about being a Catholic.

I can talk about it.

[guillaumeb]

29. True, as can I,

but I was referring here to anyone making overly broad statements about theism and theists. Statements that equate theism with delusion, for example.

[NeoGreen]

34. It should be viewed more like...

...an infection.

One with a great support apparatus and that people are constantly re-exposed to, to keep it viable.

[guillaumeb]

35. Thank you for that demonstration. eom

[NeoGreen]

37. "Demonstration"?...are you...

...sure about that?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

42. But that's NOT what the DK effect is.

It isn't about making overly broad statements. That would be a fallacy, not DK.

I have spent thousands of ours studying Catholicism. Just because I'm not a theist at this moment does not mean that I am uneducated. Many here have similar experiences.

Stop trying to jam everyone you disagree with into some silly label.

[AtheistCrusader]

44. Yeah, that's why atheists consistently score more knowledgable about religion, than theists.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion

[NeoGreen]

46. Interesting...

...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion

Alternatively, it may be that people who have a particular thirst for knowledge find religious belief incompatible with their natural curiosity. Recently, Pope Francis actually stated that “the spirit of curiosity distances one from God.” Many atheists and agnostics may well agree.

I'm a bit, just a bit, flabbergasted to find a quote from Mr. Bergoglio that includes the words 'curiosity' and 'god' that I find myself in agreement.

[uriel1972]

49. hmmm I think..

He'll have to wash many, many feet before I think well about him