Parenting after faith shift, progressive Christians look for new resources

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Turner, who identifies as a progressive Christian, isn’t the only Christian who has shifted from conservative to progressive views as an adult. For many, that means a faith that emphasizes love, social justice and space for questions about the theological ideas they were raised to believe.
And for those who are parents, it means wanting to raise their children with a different view of God and the Bible than the one they grew up with. The problem? Christian children’s resources almost all skew conservative.

To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/09/13/parenting-after-faith-shift-progressive-christians-look-for-and-create-new-resources/

Many USA media outlets advance the narrative that theism=conservatism, but the reality is much more nuanced, And resources for progressives are important.

[trotsky]

1. "Many USA media outlets advance the narrative that theism (equals) conservatism"

Actually, it's not really a narrative.

It is demonstrably true that believers are generally more conservative than non-believers. And it's demonstrably true that the MORE religious someone is, the MORE conservative they generally are.

So while it's not strictly true that "theism=conservatism," there is a very strong correlation, and that's what most media outlets are reporting on. They aren't engaged in a global conspiracy to smear theism, g. That's just your narrative.

[guillaumeb]

4. At least you admit that the narrative is not true. eom

[trotsky]

8. #1, such a "narrative" only exists in your imagination.

#2, I have never, ever claimed that all Christians or all theists are conservative.

I'm really sick of your bullshit.

[Major Nikon]

9. Says far more about them than the person they are trying to defame

Especially when this patented brand of bullshit is repeated so often it starts to look like propaganda.

[guillaumeb]

15. Ironic indeed, given the history here.

[trotsky]

17. What history?

The history of people you hate because they question your pronouncements and talk about things you don't want them to talk about?

[guillaumeb]

21. Do not confuse your own narrative with history. eom

[trotsky]

23. Likewise.

But at the same time, don't smear people about a "history" that you are making up.

[Act_of_Reparation]

26. I don't think you've been participating here long enough to speak of history.

[trotsky]

20. "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."

I.e., the "Big Lie." guillaumeb is evidently familiar with and a big fan of many propaganda techniques. Whataboutism, false equivalence, the list goes on.

[Mariana]

2. "Christian children's resources almost all skew conservative."

Of course they do, they reflect the prevailing views of the majority of Christians. The writers know perfectly well which flavor of Christianity sells the most books.

“I just was like, is it possible to write a book that really reflects love and hope and light — that affirms the child’s personhood and speaks to how God has created this idea for our kids?” he said.

Think about that. He's not sure it's even possible to write such a book.

I suppose it's out of the question for him to use secular resources to teach his kids the values he wants to instill in them.

[guillaumeb]

3. Texas has a huge influence in what is acceptable for textbooks.

And the market might be smaller, or the publishers are not willing to take the chance that the book will sell.

My guess is that he uses both secular and religious sources. And that is understandable. We did the same when homeschooling our children.

[Mariana]

5. Texas has a huge influence in what is acceptable

in textbooks for public schools. Public school textbooks, even in Texas, are secular resources. Texas has exactly zero influence on what religious textbooks may contain.

But this story wasn't about textbooks. Mr. Turner's views seem to be so far out of the mainstream of Christianity that he could not find any Christian storybooks for children that represented his religious ideas. He had to write his own.

[guillaumeb]

6. We taught our children science using science textbooks.

But we personally know many Christian homeschoolers who used creationist/young earth books to teach science. Texas has such a large influence that science and history books are edited to reflect that influence.

If Mr. Turner searches, he will find sources. We did.

[Mariana]

7. Textbooks for public schools are indeed edited to reflect that influence.

However, I don't know why you think that has any relevance to this story, which is about Mr. Turner's inability to find Christian materials that promote his own personal interpretation of Christianity.

[guillaumeb]

13. His was as narrow focus.

And such materials as he looks for do exist, which was part of my point.

[trotsky]

18. Because it's a favorable talking point for him.

The fact it has zero relevance to the topic is inconsequential. He can just keep repeating it making it look like he's countered your point until you give up.

[MineralMan]

10. Such parents merely need to look beyond the Christian bookstore.

They'll find what they need if they do. Resources to teach children the way you want are always available, whatever your religious or philosophical bent.

This seems like yet another religionnews.com story without a reason for being written. You have a knack for finding those, it seems.

[Mariana]

11. It's pretty obvious why the story was written.

Mr. Turner is a writer, and he's flogging his books.

[MineralMan]

12. Gosh...you think?

Well, then, Guil is helping him out, eh?

[guillaumeb]

14. Apply what Mariana wrote to your own story here.

The irony is interesting.

[MineralMan]

16. ..

[trotsky]

19. Please tell everyone how much money you think MineralMan makes for his posts on DU.

[guillaumeb]

22. You totally missed the point.

Reread the thread, and better luck.

And note that MM had nothing to say. He knows what I refer to.

[trotsky]

24. Thanks for implying I'm stupid. You love doing that.

So much for following that Jesus guy you claim to admire. I see no love or respect for anyone who disagrees with you. Why are you like this? Why won't you just be nice?

And MineralMan saying nothing is saying more than you think it is.

[MineralMan]

25. Each dot in my response stands for a word.

I leave it up to the recipient to decide what word. From now on, that will be my reply to that person, unless I initiate the dialog. It could mean "never mind" or "you're incorrect" or any number of two-word phrases.

[guillaumeb]

27. More propagation of your narrative.

But others can read also, and will judge.

[trotsky]

28. They can and will indeed.

I welcome their scrutiny, or else I wouldn't post here.

[Major Nikon]

29. We can't all have a fan club

...that constantly sends us words of adoration and encouragement via DM regardless of what gibberish we write.

[trotsky]

31. And yet his massive silent fan club...

still can't be bothered to give his posts Recs to get them more exposure. Strange how much they love him, but want his pearls of wisdom to stay hidden.

[AtheistCrusader]

30. Because for the most part, we go agnostic, atheistic or 'none' when we leave conservative christiani

ty.

We're not building a 'less conservative' Christian world anymore.
That's why the 'spiritual but not religious' camp or the 'nones' are growing, even while Atheists/Agnostics have remained relatively stable.

[edhopper]

32. Good luck with that

like trying to find a less child-rapey Catholicism.