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Cartoonist

(7,530 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:09 PM Sep 2019

Why do some Catholics oppose Pope Francis?

This article is hard to read. They didn't proofread it so there's lots of repetition. Besides the Latin, there's an abundance of jargon.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/09/12/why-do-some-catholics-oppose-pope-francis

It is neither unusual nor surprising to encounter discord and opposition in the Catholic Church. Such disagreement stretches back from the present day to the time of St. Paul, who stood up to Cephas in Antioch (Gal 2:14).
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At present, there is a strong group opposing Francis’ church: laypeople, theologians, bishops and cardinals who would like him to resign or promptly disappear from the scene while they wait for a new conclave to change the current direction of the church.
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Obviously, the problem is not that he is not a theologian but rather that his theology is pastoral. Francis passes from dogma to kerygma, from theoretical principles to pastoral discernment and mystagogy. And his theology is not colonialist but from the Global South, and this bothers the North.
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The announcement of the upcoming synod on the Amazon in October 2019, which will amplify the need to protect the environment and save indigenous Amazonian groups from genocide, is already beginning to annoy. Some major church leaders have said that the instrumentumlaboris, or working document for the synod, is heretical and pantheistic and denies the need for salvation in Christ.

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Why do some Catholics oppose Pope Francis? (Original Post) Cartoonist Sep 2019 OP
From the article: guillaumeb Sep 2019 #1
What striked me about the article Cartoonist Sep 2019 #2
Good observations, as were your initial comments. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #3
Oh no! Cartoonist Sep 2019 #4
Like nightmare on Elm Street, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #5
How does Francis differ from Ratzinger and Wojtyła on birth control? AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #6
We agree on this point, and pollign suggests guillaumeb Sep 2019 #7
Well, that's fantastic! Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #8

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
1. From the article:
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:04 PM
Sep 2019
Viewing the shifting winds over the course of time, we can see that the type and orientation of opposition always reflect the historical moment. There are progressive and prophetic voices in periods when classical Christianity or neo-Christianity dominates, and reactionary, fundamentalist and conservative voices in moments of ecclesial reform and attempts to return to evangelical origins and the style of Jesus.



As one example, some few Catholics still wish for a return to the Latin Mass as opposed to the vulgate Mass. And there is a split among Catholics on the subject of birth control.

Part of this too might be politics.

Cartoonist

(7,530 posts)
2. What striked me about the article
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:17 PM
Sep 2019

The dissent in the Church itself. It's one thing for individual Catholics to tailor their faith, but such widespread dissatisfaction among the ranks is troublesome. Fun to watch.

It also looks like the things they are criticizing the Pope for are the aspects I find favorable. More proof that the Church will never change.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
3. Good observations, as were your initial comments.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:20 PM
Sep 2019

The RCC can change, and it has, but like many large institutions, it is very difficult to change an institutional culture. And many Bishops have their own power base.

My opinion is that some of these Bishops might feel that they would have been a better choice as Pope, and that their vision is the best one.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. How does Francis differ from Ratzinger and Wojtyła on birth control?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 12:59 PM
Sep 2019

I think you've called out an issue that actually doesn't speak to why some catholics specifically oppose Francis.

Edit: I believe Francis said it is ok for married partners to use a condom if one is HIV positive. But that's it. There's almost no or actually no daylight between these three figureheads on the general issue of birth control.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
8. Well, that's fantastic!
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:23 AM
Sep 2019

Maybe when they're finished fucking, they can tell the RCC clergy to stop restricting access to birth control in their hospitals and medical plans.

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