Why prophets were 'without honour' in their 'own home' and 'own country'

[Uncle Joe]

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The fundamental situation is that denial-free thinking, which is the essence of a prophet, has been an anathema—‘without honour’—to the resigned world. The more corrupted humanity became the more confronting uncorrupted individuals were, and the more they were denied honour or recognition or acknowledgment. What alienation was separating itself from was the truthful, sound world of the soul. In a world almost devoid of soul, an emissary from the soul’s world, which is what a prophet is, was actively denied and outcast by persecution, and even eliminated by murder. The basic activity of resigned humans was not to honour the sound, truthful, soulful existence that prophets represented.

However, while this is the fundamental situation, it has also been explained that while resigned humans needed to deny and repress the soul’s truthful world, when they became overly corrupted they needed to find their way back to some truth in order to repair and heal their overly corrupted state. While the presence of truthful prophets was something humans tried to ignore and even destroy, over time they also came to need and appreciate—even to the point of revering—that presence.

While there emerged a need to recognise or honour prophets, it was still difficult to acknowledge their immediate presence because the resigned humans’ ego came into play. As briefly mentioned earlier, it was difficult for resigned, egocentric humans to acknowledge the gifts of any individual when that individual was in their presence, nearby, or even still alive. The greater space and time between the presence of the especially gifted person and the average person, the easier it became for the average person to acknowledge their gifts without being made to feel inferior or worthless in comparison. Such was the level of insecurity in humans under the duress of the human condition. A great sportsperson often only received due credit for their achievements after they died, while many gifted individuals died in extreme poverty and anonymity, only to be resurrected and glorified by subsequent generations. Van Gogh managed to sell only one painting in his lifetime, yet his paintings now sell for millions of dollars.

While all talented and gifted people encountered this problem, there was no talent or gift as threatening to the ego of resigned humans as the gift of soundness. Egocentricity in resigned humans was all about trying to establish worthiness at the exclusion of the truth of their corrupted state. The presence of a sound prophet made that all-important exclusion almost impossible to maintain, and it therefore made the business of artificially deriving reinforcement from the world impossible.

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https://www.humancondition.com/asid-prophets-without-honour-in-their-own-home/

[keithbvadu2]

1. Now we have the new Jesus...

Now we have the new Jesus...

[keithbvadu2]

2. Shouldn't that be 'our' father in heaven?

[Uncle Joe]

3. Beware of false prophets

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's. clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. The World English Bible translates the passage as: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in.

The metaphor
The metaphor of 'a wolf in sheep's clothing' has become a common English expression. It is alluded to in Romeo and Juliet, where a character is called a "wolvish ravening lamb."[1] See The Wolf in Sheep's Clothing for some other cultural uses of the phrase.

Sheep were an important part of life in Galilee of Jesus' era, and the metaphor of the pious as a flock of sheep is a common one in both the Old and New Testaments. Wolves were regarded as greedy and malevolent predators who were a threat to the innocent, and such wolf metaphors are also found in several other parts of the Bible. Schweizer feels this metaphor may be linked to the traditional description of the prophets being clad in skins.[2]

It is an open question who, if anyone, this verse is directed against. At the time the gospel was written the Christian communities had several opponents, who may be being targeted by the author of Matthew in this verse. Davies and Allison note several groups that scholars have proposed. There are several false prophets mentioned in the literature of the period such as Simon Magus and Bar Kokba, but the text has no hint that it referring to one of these in particular. France notes that the wording refers to the prophets coming to you implies that these prophets are from outside the community of disciples.[3] The Pharisees are the primary opponent of the righteous through the Gospel of Matthew, and this could be another attack on them. However, Matthew 7:22 seems to make clear that the false prophets are Christian, rather than Jewish. This also could rule out other Jewish sects active in this period such as the Essenes and Zealots. While in later years Christian groups such as the Gnostics would become prominent rivals to mainstream Christianity, Gnosticism was not yet a major concern at the time this Gospel was written.[4] Scholars who see a rivalry between the Jewish Christianity of Mathew and the wider gospel of St. Paul have read this verse as an attack on Pauline Christianity.[5][6] Schweizer supports the notion that the idea of false prophets is closely attached to eschatology, and that this passage refers to events expected to occur in the end times, not to any current rivals.[7] False prophets were a frequent concern in the Old Testament, such as in Jeremiah. France believes that even without any current threats the history in the Old Testament would lead Jesus to be concerned about the dangers of false prophets.[8] The figures in Matthew 7:21-22 are themselves surprised to be judged harshly, but the word inwardly makes clear that prophets in this verse are knowing deceivers of the faithful.[9]

Matthew 7:15 - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_7:15

[Cartoonist]

4. What is this truth of which you speak?

The sound, truthful, soulful existence that prophets represented.

[stopdiggin]

5. deluded souls

Perhaps the prophets were/are not honored because the people of average intelligence remember names like Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs ..

For every true prophet (given there IS such a thing) there are a thousand, charlatans, lunatics and deluded souls. Society is quite right to steer clear of them!!

[trotsky]

6. How do you tell a real prophet from a false one?

Is it as simple as the real one tells you what you want to hear?

Can you give me an example of a real prophet who has said something you disagree with?

[Voltaire2]

7. What is a 'soul"?