Religion
Related: About this forum"Whataboutism": The Strategy to Get Away With Murder
https://medium.com/@lawrencegab/whataboutism-the-strategy-to-get-away-with-murder-faecfa7add4Whats even more crucial to understand is that when someone is being accused and he/she defers to another person/subject, that is neither an acceptance or a denial of the accusation. Let me repeat, that is NEITHER an acceptance or denial of the accusation.
...Even when its not about ourselves specifically, like in the cases of sports and religion, we recognize the flaws in other subjects to bring into the conversation in order to distract the accuser. If violence in the Quran is in question, many would turn to the violence written in The Old Testament as a counter for equivalence. But what was really accomplished? Nothing! There was nothing discussed as to why violence occurred in the Quran, just a cowardly subject change instead of a legitimate defense of the Quran. My advice? If you cant properly defend without changing subjects then you shouldnt contribute at all. Period. So if we want to have substantive conversations, lets stop pointing to hypocrisy but either take responsibility or defend with facts. This post is also to bring awareness that when a response falls into the realm of whataboutism, you need to be fully conscious of what is occurring in order to lead the conversation for the better.
At least an attempt to mention the OT in response to violence in the Koran is still within the realm of religious texts.
"Whatabout" the Chinese government is not.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Which is that if your intentions are good, you must be correct.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)If the argument is factually correct, as in the fact that China consistently oppresses theists, there is no fallacy.
And if one states that most children are abused in the home, that too is a fact.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)A self-righteous argument, would be one where you say that most children are abused at home because you believe that is true and you intend to tell the truth. Your intent has no bearing on whether it's true or false.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.
If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.
https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism
trotsky
(49,533 posts)This is all you can respond with anymore. One out-of-context quote from a site no one has heard of before, that doesn't even actually mean what you think it means.
How embarrassing for you. Keep it up, you know I love this!
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Refute what I posted with an actual source that denies what I posted.
Or. continue with your well established pattern.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Refute what? State your point. Bet you can't, because all you can do is copy & paste from a non-authoritative website.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Stay in school.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)From actual sources.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Also factually incorrect. This definition does not refer to intent.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.
If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.
https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)The answer is gaslighting.
Repeating that same garbage over and over becomes an effort in shitposting.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Why Medium Doesn't Matter Anymore
Its an especially unfortunate choice since Medium's site is full of amateur content. They say they only charge for premium writing, but it's still hard to accept. It's like they're walling off YouTube videos. With the exception of major motion pictures and TV shows, YouTube doesnt charge anything. No one wants to drop $5 a month to watch kittens wrestle balls of yarn. If Medium follows YouTubes exact model, it could work.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theodorecasey/2017/08/14/why-medium-doesnt-matter-anymore/#517bb9d749ad
A blog site.
An opinion site.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)how about the message?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.
If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.
https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism
MineralMan
(147,576 posts)Check your own source sites...really...
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Of course it's just an opinion piece by an amateur. Just like the dozens you've posted. OK for you, not for anyone else? Typical.
I guess you are really upset by what it says. No wonder - it completely exposes your fallacious tactics.