HOW the Freak is Tebow in the NFL

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Okay I'll be honest. I think the Whole Fundalmentalist Christian stuff is a load of Crap. I'm sorry but most of the Fundies I know are usually reformed Drug users who are replacing religion for drugs
I usually have a harm none do as ye will when it comes to peoples belief BUT fundies do get on my nerves.


I want people to forget the Fundie aspect to Tebow and PLEASE explain to me HOW this guy got into the NFL.

His stats are the worse I've seen. It makes no sense to me that this guy got drafted like he did or even started this year. It makes no sense to me.

(Yes, I am a female but have been following football since I was ten and that was about 20 years ago.)

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1. Tebow won two National Championships

plus the Heisman trophy while in college..of course teams in the NFL were going to take a hard look at him.

Is there some reason he shouldn't have been drafted..I mean, outside of the fact you don't like his religion?

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2. His stats compared to other players in that same draft cycle.

Honestly. I've seen people with better stats. Did he win the national Championships on his own? I don't think so and I think a lot of people had better stats than he did.

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3. I'm sure some players had better stats..

but Tebow excelled in the SEC, the toughest conference in college football....and every team he's been on has been a winner. Tebow was one of the top QB prospects in the nation coming out of HS. Then at UF, he just continued his track record of success on the football field.

I just don't get it. If the fact that he's a fundie isn't influencing your thinking, what in the heck is your reasoning behind believing one of the top college players in the nation shouldn't have even been drafted?

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4. Because his stats suck! It is nothing to do with his fundieism. I think his fundieism is

making this guy a star when watching him on Saturday PROVED to me in my mind that this guy sucks ass big time!

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5. You avoided my question..

but lets look at Tebow's 4 year career stats while at Florida..

Rushing TD-57

Passing TD-88

Int-16

Completion %-66.4%

I don't know about you, but those stats look pretty decent to me. So, again I ask..what is your reasoning behind suggesting Tebow should have never been drafted?

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6. What Question?

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10. Ryan Leaf was great in college.

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7. Tebow stats

1729 pass yds

12 TD


his rating is a 72


Maybe It is me but I demand something better from a person who is going to be a STARTING QB

[pipi_k]

8. I know how

and why he got to the NFL...

My question, at this time, is...

How the hell is he still in the NFL?

I dunno. Maybe the Broncos want to give him a chance.

Another pertinent question for me would be, how the hell is Mark Sanchez still the starting QB for the Jets...Well, yeah, he has another year on his contract, but still...

Some things are just beyond understanding, I guess.

[dakota_democrat]

9. What are the Broncos supposed to do?

The team was 1-4 with Orton, Tebow replaced him, and went 7-4 (8-5 including playoffs), plus a playoff win against the Steelers. Denver has no other QBs on the roster (Quinn will likely leave) and the team hadn't sniffed the playoffs in years. You CAN'T switch. You absolutely can't switch QBs. The public outcry would be deafening. You can't reasonably cut bait on a 1st round pick after 2 years. All they can do is bring in a backup with some starting experience in case Tebow's bad next year.

I don't want to go all Raheem Morris on this, but Orton had better stats, and look where it got him?

Full disclosure: I'm a Broncos fan. I'm pretty "meh" about Tebow as a long-term option, but he's been a gold mine for the franchise financially, and factoring that in to their playoff appearance and the lack of other options, it results in a complex situation that will either be a boon or the doom of this franchise for the next decade.

[pipi_k]

11. Of course

the public outcry would be deafening.

Now. And maybe next year as well if he's still the starter and performs just well enough to avoid being awful.

But at some point they're going to want more than just backing into the playoffs in spite of their QB.

[dakota_democrat]

23. Your assumption is that he will never improve.

Even operating under that assumption, I don't think you just tell Tebow to GTFO after this season with no plan at QB. I think you put a safety valve in place in case it doesn't work out (signing Jason Campbell would be my move, if it's palatable cap-wise). If he crashes and burns, you have a plan. But investing a lot of money into a different quarterback at this time would be stupid.

The Tebowcoaster has taken away from the fact that this team needs new defensive players at every position except OLB and DE. I'd rather they fix that, become a poor-man's Baltimore, then focus on offense the following year. By then, Denver should miss the playoffs due to the more challenging schedule, and if Tebow regresses you can justifiably send him packing.

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24. Well, yeah...

there is that assumption.

Maybe it's not a problem with him, but with the system in Denver...who knows?

It wouldn't be the first time a guy did well in one place and then bombed someplace else.

I mean, look at Matt Cassell, the guy who took over for Brady when his knee got blown out. Did pretty well, too.

Off to KC...I really hoped he would have a great career there, but...

Anyway, none of us can predict what will happen with Tebow. I certainly wouldn't want to bet money on his failure or success...

[Elwood P Dowd]

12. Denver started winning with Tebow when

the defense went from giving up 28 points a game to giving up 21 points a game. The offense under Tebow actually went down in points per game. Also, the D created more turnovers and special teams performed better. Factor in Tebow won games against bad teams and teams that were wrecked by injuries like Oakland, Kansas City, and Chicago. When Tebow went up against a decent team that were healhty, he got stomped in the dirt. Even the Steelers were wrecked by injuries in the playoff game. Big Ben was playing on one leg, the only good running back was out, the starting center was out, and several defensive starters were out or playing hurt.

Tebow became the starter just when all the cards fell in Denver's way. He was terrible the last three games as Denver lost their way into the playoffs only to play a home game against a Steelers team that was trashed by injuries. You will never hear this from ESPN, Fox Sports, or any of the other Tebow worshipers. They want us to believe he is better than Joe Montana.

[JonLP24]

15. I disagree about only good running back

Issac Redmond had a good year average 4.4 YPC. In the Denver game he had 121 yards off of 17 carries for a 7.1 YPC. You can scratch off the running back from the Steelers excuses IMO. Agree with most things except like Champ Bailey said, Roethlisberger is always hurt.

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13. I sense a lot of dislike for Teebow because of his blantent display of his religion...

and I also notice many people support him just because of it.

I enjoy watching football games to witness the skill of the athletes and their ability to function together as a team under the guidance of their coaching staff.

I rarely judge a football player on his beliefs or actions off the field. Tebow is an excellent athlete although at this point in his career as an NFL quarterback he has many skills to hone before and if he ever reaches the status of a top ranked quarterback.

I remember a quarterback named Steve Young who played in the NFL for fourteen seasons in the 80s and 90s. He had a great record as a college quarterback for BYU. His first NFL team was the Tampa Bay Bucs and in two seasons had a starting record of 3-16 with 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. He was traded to the San Francisco 49ers and served as a backup to Joe Montana for several years. Even when he finally became the starting quarterback he still struggled at first but he improved with time. He was named the MVP of Super Bowl XXIX when the 49ers defeated the San Diego Chargers. He threw for 325 yards and rushed for 49 yards and was the first player to achieve both the most passing and rushing yards in a Superbowl. He holds numerous NFL records including the most touchdown passes in a Superbowl - 6.

In my opinion it is far too early to judge if Tebow will ever become a truly great quarterback but I believe his has a lot of skill that can be developed.

As far as his act of praying on the field or "Tebowing", I have also witnessed other football players who express their thanks for their skills to their God. Tebow definitely advertises his Christianity by his prayer, but I should point out that Jesus recommended praying in private.

Matthew 6:5 - 7
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

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14. Disagree

I've seen quarterbacks come up in the NFL for years, and can pretty easily see if one will make it or not.

Simple factors:

How are they in the pocket? Do they have happy feet, do they have good pocket awareness, can they look off receivers.

Tebow has big time happy feet because in college and now in the Pros, he will run first, throw second.

His pocket awareness is pretty weak simply because he doesn't stay in the pocket--- run first, throw second.

If he is going to throw, he has immense trouble finding an open receiver.

I've seen slow motion replays where receivers were wide open and Tebow did not see them.

AND finally-- and this is the most important attribute for an NFL quarterback.

Accuracy---without it, you're dead.

Tebow had a 46 percent accuracy rating this season---about 4 points lower than all the starting quarterbacks.

That's plain awful.

No---I think the writing is on the wall that this guy will not ever become a great NFL quarterback.

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16. I mentioned Steve Young because...

I lived in Tampa at the time he was the quarterback and to be honest he was no better than Tebow during the period he played for the Tampa Bay Bucs. I will not compare wins and losses as that entire Buc team lacked both talent and coaches.

All I can say is that time will tell and just like Young, Tebow may shine when he is traded to a different team.

We should be able to judge his chances of success far better next year and the following year. To me, it's far too early to pass judgement.

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17. Steves completion rate hovered around 53 percent..

Much better than Tebow---plus Steve played for maybe one of the worse teams in NFL history, The Bucs in 85 and 86.

Changing scenery for Tebow will not fix his fatal flaw---he can't throw the football.

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18. That one good throw by Tebow in the overtime playoff game with the Steelers...

won the game.

The Steelers also underestimated Tim Tebow's ability to throw a football.

He only managed to throw for 316 yards in that game. Not all that bad against a team that was known for a strong pass defense.

Time will tell just how good Tebow is. As I said, it's too early to tell.

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19. Tebow threw 5 good passes in the last 5 games

And he threw those passes to wide open receivers who were running routes against a injury depleted Steelers team.

I can't believe I'm debating someone about Tebow being a good passer.

[spin]

20. If you followed my posts...

I am not saying that he is a great quarterback or has well developed throwing skills. I am merely saying that it is far too early to determine how good his future will be. He has athletic talent and skills and has proven himself at the college level. Time will tell if he can do the same in the NFL.

I feel he has the potential but time will tell. I remember that Terry Bradshaw was never considered to be a good quarterback in his early days and to be honest he was never all that great. However he did win four Superbowls which is the same number that Joe Montana won. Of course, both those quarterbacks played with excellent teams.

Bradshaw became a starter one year after he was drafted in 1970. During his first several seasons, the 6'3", 215 lb. quarterback was erratic, threw many interceptions (he threw 210 interceptions over the course of his career) and was widely ridiculed by the media for his rural roots and perceived lack of intelligence.

It took Bradshaw a few seasons to adjust to the pro game but once he did, he eventually became the premier quarterback in the NFL, leading the Pittsburgh Steelers to eight AFC Central championships and an unprecedented collection of Super Bowl rings. The Pittsburgh Steelers featured the "Steel Curtain" defense and a powerful running attack led by Franco Harris, but Bradshaw's strong arm gave them the threat of the deep pass, helping to loosen opposing defenses. In 1972, he threw the pass leading to the "Immaculate Reception", among the most famous plays in NFL history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Bradshaw

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21. Tebow has been in the league for two years...

You're right-- One of his miracles might occur and he'll learn to deliver a pass properly and accurately.

He may learn to stay in the pocket and find open receivers if his first read is covered.

Hell----he may get laid by a stripper.

I think he has a better chance of getting laid by the stripper.

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22. A moral downfall is always a possibility...

In the end we are all merely human and far from perfect. It will be hard for Tebow to live a faultless life and when he does stumble it's quite likely that everybody will hear about it.

That's one reason why I feel that his display of his personal belief in Christianity during the game is a bad idea and also why it would be far wiser for him to pray in private as recommended by the Bible.

Or he might at least be a little less obvious like Troy Polamalu when he makes the sign of the cross as in this video.