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ProfessorGAC

(69,851 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 12:51 PM Sep 29

Confused By This Play In The Falcons/Saints Game

Guy muffed a punt, OUTSIDE the endzone. Ball bounced into the EZ, Falcons player ends up with it. Touchdown.
I had always heard a muffed punt can't be advanced. I even looked it up to see if the rule was changed. But, the rule clearly states it can't be advanced.
I get that a guy didn't recover it, then advance, but I would have thought that the recovery would be at the spot of the muff.
How is this not the same as advancing a muff? (Sorry, you will have to click the YouTube link to see it.)

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Confused By This Play In The Falcons/Saints Game (Original Post) ProfessorGAC Sep 29 OP
Clarification below. TwilightZone Sep 29 #1
That's Not The Rule ProfessorGAC Sep 29 #2
There was no possession until it was in the end zone. TwilightZone Sep 29 #4
It wasn't advanced, it was recovered. NoRethugFriends Sep 29 #3
This is making me dizzy... surfered Sep 29 #5
Once recovered, the player can not advance. bottomofthehill Sep 29 #6
I don't know but I was always under the impression that moniss Sep 29 #7
Just happened in the Green Bay - Vikings game bottomofthehill Sep 29 #8
Did the other team ever touch the ball? moniss Sep 29 #9
Yes bottomofthehill Sep 29 #10
Then it's a normal moniss Sep 29 #11
I think by saying muffed outside the endzone bottomofthehill Sep 29 #12
A Muff Means Touched.. ProfessorGAC Sep 29 #13
And the Falcons BOSSHOG Sep 29 #14

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
1. Clarification below.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 12:52 PM
Sep 29

Edit: I should have further clarified, which I did below. The kicking team recovered it in the end zone, so there was nothing to advance.

ProfessorGAC

(69,851 posts)
2. That's Not The Rule
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 12:54 PM
Sep 29
According to the official NFL rule book, the muffed punt rule states that players cannot advance a muffed kick on kickoffs and punts alike because the receiving team has not attained possession.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
4. There was no possession until it was in the end zone.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 12:58 PM
Sep 29

The kicking team recovered the ball in the end zone. Possession doesn't start when it's muffed. It starts when it's recovered.

bottomofthehill

(8,811 posts)
6. Once recovered, the player can not advance.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:20 PM
Sep 29

If the ball is mishandled on the 20 bounces to the 10 and is recovered there and run into the end zone, it is returned to the 10. If recovered in the end zone it is a TD, in another wrinkle, if the receiving team player recovers it in the end zone, it is a safety.

moniss

(5,706 posts)
7. I don't know but I was always under the impression that
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:36 PM
Sep 29

a kicking team that "downs" a punt doesn't get the ball i.e. possession unless it touched an opposing player first. But if no opposing player touched this ball before the kicking team fell on it in the end zone it doesn't sound right to credit them a touchdown. A touchdown inherently means possession and possession by the kicking team on a punt doesn't take place unless the opposing player touches the ball first and then the kicking team recovers.

But they've screwed with the rules so much and the officiating is so horrible that I don't bother watching until maybe the last 2 minutes. Same with NBA. Baseball finally is no longer dealing with that horrible ump Angel Hernandez. There's still a few more to go.

bottomofthehill

(8,811 posts)
8. Just happened in the Green Bay - Vikings game
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:38 PM
Sep 29

Proper application. Ball was recovered at the 3 and run in. The ball was spotted at the 3

bottomofthehill

(8,811 posts)
10. Yes
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:40 PM
Sep 29

Ball was miffed by the receiving player on the 11, bounced to the 3 where it was recovered and run into the end zone. The ref set the ball in the 3

moniss

(5,706 posts)
11. Then it's a normal
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:42 PM
Sep 29

situation. I was under the impression that the OP had been talking about a situation where the opposing team did not touch the ball.

bottomofthehill

(8,811 posts)
12. I think by saying muffed outside the endzone
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:45 PM
Sep 29

He is saying it was touched by the receiving team outside the end zone but recovered in the end zone.

ProfessorGAC

(69,851 posts)
13. A Muff Means Touched..
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 01:51 PM
Sep 29

...but the catch not successfully completed. It has to be touched by the receiving team for it to be a muff.

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