i hope it is safe to post this here.

[mopinko]

Last edited Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:40 AM - Edit history (1)

i got a hide today for a post saying i wasnt sad. but damn it, obits are the 1st draft of history, and i'll be damned if i let the fawning overtake facts.

yeah, i'm gettin a lot of flack today for being glad the old bird is no more. but i'm irish, and there is blood on that crown of my direct ancestors. before my grandparents came on coffin ships, 5 gen back, my rebel ancestor was sent to oz on a prison ship, tho above decks as a settler, his kin scattered. his nephew landed here. and the more f'ed up this country becomes, the more bitter i get that i am here and not home.

eta- tho my ancestor went as a settler, shortly after he got there, he was charged w sedition for saying- in this land all irishmen will be one.
for that he went to van demon's land. he was eventually acquitted, and rose to power there. but in the end, the crown, w help from the bottle, took him down, and he died in debtor's prison.

update- earlg has kindly reversed my hide.

[mahina]

1. I couldn't quite put my finger on why I wouldn't want to go to England

For so long until I remembered that my grandfather absolutely loathed the English being the son of Irish immigrants. I mean loathed.

It took me a while to put it away personally but it is quite interesting how we learn hatred. I’ve seen it learned intergenerational in other ways. The US has certainly done its share of harm, not least where my grand folks landed.

You do you but it doesn’t serve me. Figured that out when I met an English person. She had nothing to do with any of it. I wish it wasn’t such a compelling emotion. But here we are.

[mopinko]

3. ya know, i got none of this from family.

i got it form finding my roots, and learning my history.
also, the songs. i found that uncle in a song.

my 1st gen folks were grateful to be here. unfortunately, i ended up being born at the end of the commuter line from my extended family. my older sibling may as well have been born there.
but still, this anger did not come from them.
dont think i'd be this bitter had i been raised in the 5ht province of cook county.

[Tetrachloride]

2. I saw another DU situation similar a few hours ago

I can say that the wikipedia pages are not so easily manipulated.

Nor my memory.

Nor my DNA.

This section exists for a reason.

[mopinko]

4. ty.

was gettin pretty lonely in here today.

[Tetrachloride]

5. The Irish Affairs Group

TIAG

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1189

[mopinko]

6. 1 more thing.

i have friends who are children of diaspora from all over the globe. at least half are so due to the crown.

[mopinko]

7. also, if you dont know this band, let it roll on yt.

right now i am cheered that al at yt is serving up tracks from their album 4 fat dads. it's mostly comedy recorded at dragon con 2008.
danny in the jar, and fairies stole my keys will raise your spirits.

what the heck-

[blm]

8. My Irish grandmother was burned out of her home

as a young girl. The family ended up in Ohio.

[mopinko]

9. rec pls

[IbogaProject]

10. I'm ok with the British people

But I loathe all nobles, and the British and Dutch ignobles doubly so.

[mopinko]

11. yeah, it's time for monarchy to die.

and easy for the old girl to be sweet when she has so many to do her dirty work. and so much loot to live on.
i hope charles uses his time to do what he can to save the humans. he knows the science, he's walking the walk, and it's his passion.
and honestly, i dont hate him for di, i blame The Firm. and the idiocy of that virginity shit.

[H2O Man]

12. Recommended.

My older son has shown me things from our relatives in Ireland. It is something that can't be explained in so many words: either you understand, or you don't.

I understand that others on this forum are sad she died. So I don't respond much on those OP/threads. I'm neither happy nor sad that she died. She lived a dull life. I really don't know much about her, and suspect that she was a good person. But I do not take the feudal concept of "royalty" -- from medieval times -- to be any of any more value than the idea the earth is flat. I don't think the words "your majesty" can be applied to Charles in a serious manner.

[mopinko]

13. she was a grand old broad, but

so would i be if i had The Firm to do all my dirty work.
been a deluge, tho. and i thought this place was mad when st ronnie died.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

14. Monarchies need to go the way of the Dodo.

Of all the archaic wastes of time, nothing quite outdoes a good old fashioned monarchy.

The histories, traditions and near religious fervor surrounding them are more than enough evidence that they are a blight on humanity. The fact that a group of people, "nobles," is set above all others is a bunch of horse shit. The untold damage they have done to peoples of the world, (especially the two groups I represent,) demands they be abolished.

Be gone!

[mopinko]

15. i'm wondering this am

what happens if it falls? and what is chuck going to do?
he cares about the environment, so i hope he does some good.
someone was pushing me in another thread about what i would do. start giving it away.

and yeah, the point of my op was that the monarchy should fall. not liz should rot in hell.

[mitch96]

16. Interesting blurb on Newsweek on people celebrating the death of the queen..

https://www.newsweek.com/queen-elizabeth-dead-ireland-india-commonwealth-republic-1741243

[mopinko]

17. ty. as british monarchs go, she was not the worst.

but....

[mitch96]

18. But she had her hand in the wrong doings of the monarchy... as one commenter stated:

"Reminder that Queen Elizabeth is not a remnant of colonial times. She was an active participant in colonialism. She actively tried to stop independence movements & she tried to keep newly independent colonies from leaving the commonwealth. The evil she did was enough."
It was all about money and power at the cost of other peoples sweat and blood as I see it..
Like many tyrants, these were not nice people. They traded in human capitol who's remnants this country is still dealing with today. The cause of a great famine to maintain profits is unconscionable.. grrrrrrr...
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[mopinko]

19. yup. she was a sweet face on an old meat grinder.

a sweet young girl, a mother, a grandmother. all the while the old machine ground on.
you wonder where we would be now if there had been a harder face on it.