i have a ?? about returnees.

[mopinko]

i know sometime folks come back and find a title that is their's. but do they ever get title to family land?
i doubt there's anything i could id. the last ones over came in coffin ships. i believe my grandma was a maid, and my grandpa was a laborer, a 20 yr veteran, 10 yrs out and on a coffin ship w his wife and 3 small kids. i'd rly like to know how that works, but....

i'd think the irish govt would want this. esp if the lands arent being used atm.

does it happen?

[Thomas Hurt]

1. I would think most immigrants would have sold their property to cover expenses of the trip to US.

That is if they had any in first place. I suppose you might find some records of where your ancestors lived or worked and if still existing you could take a look.

My great great grandfather is supposed to have built a house in Columbia MS. I haven't seen it, but a nice lady at the local history organization told it was still there. Even that was 25 years ago, so it could be gone now.

Also, unclaimed land in the US is often sold for back taxes. There may not be anyone on the property but that doesn't stop the gov't from taxing it.

Ireland may have something similar.

[mopinko]

2. i'm figuring i may not have a claim, but

i may be able to afford to buy.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. That thought crossed my mind with GG Grandfather's house.

I have no desire to live in MS so I never seriously considered it.

I imagine Ireland has title records and you could id the property and might be able to discover who owns the property currently.

It sounds like you have an adventure before you. I hope you can find some connections there.

[mopinko]

4. a lot of irish records are a mess.

there was a big fire in 1860-ish, i think, that wiped out a lot. i think i read recently that they managed to recreate most of what was lost from copies in england and in local govt/church records. i think they're sketchy around the '20's and independence.

i already do have connections. found a couple of dna cousins, including an adoptee. we're thick as thieves on fb. she's in donegal. also found a 3-5th cousin in my the last town on my da's side of the family. kinnitty, about an hour outside dublin.
havent totally nailed it down, but i believe michael dwyer's brother is my 5g grandfather. so i think anything in the wicklow mountains would feel like home.

a lot of irish arent too fond of irish americans who think they're irish. but between having the passport, knowing my exact ties, my history, and knowing most of the drinking songs, i think i would get by. i can fake a lilt, if not a brogue. and i own an authentic shillelagh.

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. That fire was actually 1922 during the Irish Civil war.

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. It's hghly unlikely that your ancestors owned land.

Mine certainly didn't

You can thank Cromwell and the Penal Laws for that. https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hohonu/volumes/documents/FromOppressiontoNationalism-TheIrishPenalLawsof1695SamanthaHowell.pdf

Here's a list of the Penal Laws:

https://www.libraryireland.com/HistoryIreland/Penal-Laws.php

As late as 1870, 97 percent of the land in Ireland was leased to tenant farmers. It was a lease-at-will system where the tenants could be thrown out if they owed rent money. That's why you read about so many evictions during the famine years. My great-great grandmother was one of those. Her husband died in 1848. At some point, she and her six children had to move into a nearby town where she worked in a mill. I'm not sure of the exact timeline. When she emigrated in 1853, the landlord paid the passage on a coffin ship (the Robert Kelly out of Liverpool to New York). He then sent her to a mill that he owned in Portland, ME, to work off the cost of the passage for seven family members.

One of her daughters married a brewer from Chicago, which is why I don't live in Maine.

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/ireland/ire-land.htm

[OnDoutside]

7. At a guess I wouldn't be optimistic.

In all likelihood their family were probably tenant farmers.

[mopinko]

8. the last of them, for sure.

i havent found all that much about any of them before they left.
back a few gen, tho, a cousin, from the last known town on one side, who told me mine was a pretty powerful.

dont rly care about the title part, would just like a connection.
my nephew books cruises, and he does heritage tours. finds the olde haunts for ya, and transports you around.

[OnDoutside]

9. Is it the Carlow section ?

[mopinko]

10. it's an expedia franchise

they farm out the heritage planning, tho.