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70sEraVet

(4,142 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:22 AM Oct 13

"Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish...."


A 20-year genetic investigation of the remains of Christopher Columbus has turned conventional historical wisdom on its head by concluding that the explorer whose voyage to the New World changed the course of global history may have been a Spanish Jew rather than a son of Genoa.

The claim raises the intriguing prospect that the man who played a central part in the creation of Spain’s mighty empire hailed from the very community that his patrons, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, expelled from their kingdom in the same year Columbus reached the Americas.

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José Antonio Lorente, a forensic medical expert at the University of Granada who has led the research, said his analysis had revealed that Columbus’s DNA was “compatible” with a Jewish origin.

“We have very partial, but sufficient, DNA from Christopher Columbus,” he said. “We have DNA from his son Fernando Colón, and in both the Y [male] chromosome and mitochondrial DNA [transmitted by the mother] of Fernando there are traces compatible with a Jewish origin.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/13/christopher-columbus-was-spanish-and-jewish-documentary-reveals
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"Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish...." (Original Post) 70sEraVet Oct 13 OP
All I care about is that he was a genocidal asshole. Ferrets are Cool Oct 13 #1
Oy!!?? SupportSanity Oct 13 #2
This to me makes far more sense Metaphorical Oct 13 #3
And while much of Spain was under the control of the Moors, 70sEraVet Oct 13 #5
Forgive me for replying to my own post -- 70sEraVet Oct 13 #4
A counterargument M_o_o_n_dust Nov 7 #6
She does give some good evidence of Columbus' enthusism of Christianity. 70sEraVet Nov 7 #7

Metaphorical

(2,308 posts)
3. This to me makes far more sense
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:49 AM
Oct 13

One of the most active seaports in Spain is Cadiz in the South, not far from Gibralter. Cadiz was originally a Phoenician colony, one of the oldest Western Europe going back to nearly 1100 BC. The ancient Phoenicians were also known as Canaanites, and they occupied the lands that today are known as Lebanon and Northern Israel, an area that was fairly heavily forested at the time with Pine trees that were essential in the construction of boats (it's no accident that the center of maritime culture in the Levant region ran from Canaan in the south up to southern Turkey in the north, given the presence of such trees there). Jewish traders would often then take Phoenician ships to their respective trading colones, including Cadiz, and would frequently form Jewish ghettos there as a consequence.

The Romans were at best indifferent maritime traders - their strength was in their army, and while they used ships (think the invasion of England by Julius Ceasar), their ships tended to sink because they had comparatively few good shipwrights or the raw material for ships. The Italians never really managed to develop into a colonial superpower for precisely that same reason, and it has always seemed a bit odd to me that Columbus would have had the knowledge and connections to become a sea captain. However, if he's family was in fact from the area around Cadiz, then it is far more likely that he would have learned his trade and gained the relevant connections through his Spanish Judaic relations.

70sEraVet

(4,142 posts)
5. And while much of Spain was under the control of the Moors,
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:19 AM
Oct 13

until the end of Muslim rule in Spain in 1492, Jews were allowed the rights and opportunities to prosper and flourish. So Columbus, as a Jew under Moorish rule, would have had the freedom to pursue a living as a sea merchant.

70sEraVet

(4,142 posts)
4. Forgive me for replying to my own post --
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:51 AM
Oct 13

The year 1492 is remembered in the Americas (either with celebration or condemnation) for Columbus' 'discovery', while in the Sephardic Jewish community, the year is remembered in solemnity as the year of the expulsion of the entire Jewish population of Spain.
I find it interesting to discover that the figure of Columbus represents both events!

M_o_o_n_dust

(6 posts)
6. A counterargument
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:17 PM
Nov 7



I actually first heard about this Sephardic Jew theory from this video.
She argues, I think fairly convincingly, that the genetic evidence for this is tenuous at best.
She also points out that Columbus was a Christian fanatic, whose entire goal of trying to find an alternative route to the East Indies was motivated by financing a new crusade for Jerusalem, making it highly unlikely that he might have been a secret Jew.

70sEraVet

(4,142 posts)
7. She does give some good evidence of Columbus' enthusism of Christianity.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:44 PM
Nov 7

It seems, until they find in his remains a piece of his foreskin, we will never be sure.

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