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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:52 AM Jun 2015

Some new therapies in the works for aging/injured knees

This article, besides talking about new techniques, also explains why cartilage tends not to repair itself, like other parts of the body do.

For reasons that are not entirely clear, damage to the key stabilizing structures of the knee joint often triggers a degenerative process that leads to the worn-out cartilage and chronic pain of osteoarthritis. The goal of next-generation treatment is to return the knee to its full function in as natural a way as possible, which may also slow or stop the runaway cycle that leads to arthritis. “It's repair and regeneration, rather than removal and replacement,” says orthopedic surgeon Martha M. Murray, who heads the Sports Medicine Research Laboratory at Boston Children's Hospital.

Much of the new thinking about joint repair is rooted in research into the perplexing question of why connective tissues in the joints—tendons, ligaments and cartilage—do not necessarily heal the way other tissues do. A big part of the problem in many of these structures is a relatively poor blood supply; blood contains cells and proteins that are essential to healing.

Tendons, the flexible ropes of fibrous tissue that connect muscles to bone, and ligaments, the slightly stretchy bands that link bone to bone, are less well nourished by blood vessels than are most other tissues. As for cartilage—such as the supersmooth white material on the end of bones (think chicken legs) that helps joints glide—most of it has no blood supply. “So cartilage has virtually no capacity to heal,” says Scott Rodeo, an orthopedic surgeon and researcher at the Sports Medicine and Shoulder Service at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City and a team physician for the New York Giants.

In addition to a paltry blood supply, the ACL's central location in the joint capsule, which is filled with a lubricant called synovial fluid, is another reason the band will not heal on its own. Wound repair normally begins with bleeding and the formation of a blood clot. Cells in the clot called platelets release certain proteins that promote healing, whereas the sticky clot itself serves as a temporary scaffold for reconstruction with new cells. In joints, however, synovial fluid dissolves clots, “so there's never that early bridge that gives healing a place to happen,” says Murray of Boston Children's Hospital. This is why a tear in the ACL does not heal, but a rip in the nearby medial collateral ligament, which runs along the side of the knee beyond the synovial fluid, slowly knits itself together.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/three-biotech-solutions-for-knee-repair/

Yesterday I had an ozone shot in my knee, which is relatively new. It is not approved by FDA, but Medicare does cover it.

It hurt like hell... but so far, my knee feels better.

But I will probably need 2 more. (wince)
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Some new therapies in the works for aging/injured knees (Original Post) ellenrr Jun 2015 OP
Such a timely post, ellen. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #1
It's been since March 2014 for me - a torn meniscus... ellenrr Jun 2015 #2
I checked out the guy, found a page containing a super easy exercise dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #4
Could you post the link? ellenrr Jun 2015 #5
Don't take this the wrong way dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #6
thanks. have you had any back issue?...reason I ask ellenrr Jun 2015 #11
This is hopeful TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #3
Psssssssst. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #7
Thanks, dixiegrrrrl TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #8
There are much easier ones listed dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #9
I did some of them already. TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #10
I can't do a bicycle but when I was at P.T., ellenrr Jun 2015 #13
yes, and they work even if you can't do them 10 times ellenrr Jun 2015 #12
Thanks for posting. Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #14
which is why "joint supplements" mopinko Jul 2015 #15
not sure what you mean by 'joint supplements' but ellenrr Jul 2015 #16
msm is a pain killer. mopinko Jul 2015 #17
Check out the Stone Clinic... thecrow Aug 2015 #18

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
1. Such a timely post, ellen.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

Been struggling with both knees for the past 4 months.
They are correct......any self repair is SLOW.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
2. It's been since March 2014 for me - a torn meniscus...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 08:23 AM
Jun 2015

sure hope your recovery is quicker!
what are your knee issues, if you don't mind me asking...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
4. I checked out the guy, found a page containing a super easy exercise
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jun 2015

which you can do sitting or standing, have been doing them off and on since my last post here, and found instant relief.
Amazing.
Seems to be that my knee cap gets "stuck" which causes pain.Last night, in moving the knee around, it popped, which brought relief.
So the idea is to keep the knee in place, and I know I need to tighten the muscles to do that.
Dunno if that makes sense or not...?

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
5. Could you post the link?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jun 2015

I missed that in the article.
I've been doing exercises posted by Robin McKenzie and I have also had a very immediate positive experience.

My knee 'freezes' if I keep it in one position for too long, and then I have trouble walking. I always have to be on the move.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
6. Don't take this the wrong way
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

but I am glad to hear someone else has "frozen" knee issues.......thought it was just me.

Here is link to the exercises...
I can do them just sitting and it stops the freezing knee pain.

http://morganmassage.com/2015/01/26/8-simple-exercises-for-knee-pain-relief/

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
11. thanks. have you had any back issue?...reason I ask
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:03 AM
Jun 2015

is that I got a back injury from a yoga teacher, and that is when I started having this "frozen" knee issue.
I think it is connected to the torn meniscus which had happened couple of years later, but of course I cannot know, can only speculate...

these are the exercises I do --



he also has exercises for hip, neck, etc.

oh funny: when I searched for the above link, a link came up for the Morgan Massage:
"The following 8 exercises are taken from Treat Your Own Knee by Robin McKenzie, a New Zealand born Physiotherapist whose McKenzie Method is currently the most studied diagnostic treatment system for back pain. This exercise program will give you an opportunity to treat your own knee pain and regain pain-free movement."

so there you go.. we are both doing the same exercises!

They are wonderful aren't they?
I got a lot of good from physical therapy (8-9 months!).
But then I reached a point where no improvement was happening, and someone turned me on to these exercises.

TexasProgresive

(12,285 posts)
8. Thanks, dixiegrrrrl
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015

I will try to do #6 but I have never been able to do that. My sisters use to watch TV sitting in a tailor's seat with their butt on the floor between their feet. Not me

TexasProgresive

(12,285 posts)
10. I did some of them already.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jun 2015

I started cycling again and that is really good for the knees- caution- have the saddle high-not so high that your hips rock, and spin. To spin you need a bike with gears so that you can keep your pedal cadence between 65 and 85 time a minute. The idea is to spin not struggle.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
12. yes, and they work even if you can't do them 10 times
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:05 AM
Jun 2015

every 2 hours.
I have slacked off... (got to get back to it)

but I was doing them every 2 hours when I could.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
16. not sure what you mean by 'joint supplements' but
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:55 AM
Jul 2015

my own experience - taking, and not taking - I have concluded that Glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM make a difference.

thecrow

(5,520 posts)
18. Check out the Stone Clinic...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:10 PM
Aug 2015

They have been doing amazing things with cartilege and stem cells....basically growing a new one out of your own cells and then they transplant it into your damaged joint. Originally they only worked on athletes, but they apparently have opened the program for patients over 50. (Yay!)
Just google "stone clinic knee surgery" . It's in San Francisco. It's been my dream for awhile. They removed my poor torn up meniscus in 2004.
The thought of a mechanical device replacing my knee seems so over the top to me.

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