Ever heard of Scopolamine being used for interrogations? IE Guantanamo Bay??

[TigressDem]

SCARY THOUGHT.... toward end of second *USH there were pushes for a drug to make people more susceptible to suggestion...

THERE IS ONE OUT THERE... called Devil Breath (aka-scopolamine)

https://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/blog/colombian-devil-breath-world-scariest-drug-kills-your-free-will/


Possibly a product of Nightshade... it's been used in various strengths to combat sea sickness, as a TRUTH SERUM and can ZOMBIFY a person (street drug is called Devil's Breath.)

IN ALL THESE MASS RALLIES... what if this drug were pumped out into the crowd?


WOULD it be possible to find it in the blood stream?


How long does Devil's Breath stay in your system?

It's also nearly impossible to detect, as it's only in your bloodstream for four hours. So by the time you emerge from your zombie state and go to a hospital, the remnants are gone.
Jul 7, 2020


SHIT

https://www.chemistryworld.com/opinion/beating-the-scopolamine-clock/3009513.article

https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/devils-breath-aka-scopolamine-can-it-really-zombify-you



I FEEL LIKE A CONSPIRACY NUT someone tell me this IS NOT possible.



BUT it would explain why seemingly normal people are CONVINCED an insane man is perfectly right about everything and fit to be President.

Not the ONLY explanation, but IF in the next violent wave, and it's happening in August...

IF WE TEST THE INSURRECTIONISTS for Scopolamine within 4 hours of the start of the violence AND it is found in their systems, that would be proof of intentionally INCITING (DRIVING) a group to violence against the government.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. It's not possible (" what if this drug were pumped out into the crowd?"). . . . nt

[TigressDem]

3. Thanks However...

It's used in criminal circles.... but would EVEN tRump's group stoop to this low of a behavior?


https://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/blog/colombian-devil-breath-world-scariest-drug-kills-your-free-will/


A man hands his entire life savings over to a complete stranger and offers him the keys to his condo to take the furniture too. All the while he’s smiling and chatting as though everything is fine. This is what happens when you’re the victim of the world’s scariest drug.

Derived from the Borrachero tree, which grows freely in part of South America, Scopolamine – better known on the street as ‘The Devil’s Breath’ or ‘Burundanga’ – has the ability to rob people of their own free will. It makes people openly susceptible to suggestions by complete strangers – unable to think “Wait a minute. This doesn’t seem right.”


...


According to one drug dealer in Bogota, Colombia, named Demencia Black, once the seed of the flower has been synthetically processed, the drug has a similar weight, density and look to that of cocaine. However, one gram of The Devil’s Breath is enough to kill up to 10 or 15 people. And, Black ensures that in order for the drug’s effects to take place, it does not even have to be ingested – simply inhaled from the air – making it incredibly dangerous. Black explains that by simply tossing the powder into the air towards another individual, they will inhale enough of the drug to be rendered powerless under its effects.

“With just that flash,” he says, “the person is totally drugged. You wait a minute and when you see it kick in, then you know that you own that person. You can guide them wherever you want, they’re like a child.”

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. There is so much real stuff to worry about. Don't waste time on impossible fantasies, however dark

1) Logistically, you can't dose a crowd in secret.

2) People will notice. Not everyone would get a dose.

3) Rallies are videoed and live streamed.

4) To get a 100% dosage (so nobody notices, regardless that live-stream video audiences would notice), you would get many deadly overdoses and lots of reactions requiring medical attention.

GET REAL.

[TigressDem]

7. Right.

1) Logistically, you can't dose a crowd in secret.

Unless it was a LOT of already susceptible individuals hitting key individuals.

2) People will notice. Not everyone would get a dose.

Maybe... unless it was done from behind and NOT everyone would HAVE to be dosed and not everyone acted on violent impulses.

3) Rallies are videoed and live streamed.

Did anyone think to look in the videos for such a crazy thing to be happening? I mean if even WE on DU understand that this would be the lowest of the low type of thing to do and our brains reel away from the crazy... have we seen ANY bar too low for tRump and followers to scrape under?

4) To get a 100% dosage (so nobody notices, regardless that live-stream video audiences would notice), you would get many deadly overdoses and lots of reactions requiring medical attention.

NOW like I said, I WANT TO BE WRONG.... but it would NOT require the whole crowd to be dosed, just enough to get some of them to break the ice and step over that line.

Everyone was being directed there anyway.

GET REAL.

I AM REAL. I want to be wrong. I hope I am wrong.

However, IF the people in these situations were not aware of being chemically influenced and IF that were a test it would have to be done while they were still under the influence.

It is kind of a way to commit the perfect crime.

Can't be proven if we don't think it's at all possible that the former pRez would stoop that low.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Get real. Get rooted in reality. Worry about already occuring problems first. . . . nt

[TigressDem]

13. I usually do. Thanks.

What makes this somewhat personal to me is that several family members are drinking the kool aid.

IF an actual drug were involved, it would make sense.

They have turned from loving people to frothing at the mouth rabid supporters convinced that actual media outlets are fake and fake news is real. Like a switch was flipped.

WE can think of the mass of rethugs as stupid people, but I know a lot about some of these people. Their background and compassion in many areas. People who have put others first all their lives and been there for those who suffer are now screaming the memes of the donald.

WHAT HAPPENED to them?

Probably not this, but because it could be factually proved or disproved, it's like a medical test to me in a way.

Do my loved one have a cancer of sorts? Yes

Was it caused by exposure to a drug or simply the constant programming out there? I don't know.

[speaktruthtopower]

16. General Point

2) People will notice. Not everyone would get a dose.

Just a general point...a lot of criminal schemes evade detection for a long time because it is hard to convince most decent people that wrongdoers would stoop to something...call it projection, power of suggestion or whatever. Look at Madoff.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Whole scenario is bogus & doesnt deserve one bit of worrying. Not going to happen. Utter nonsense

Madoff is a known pattern that has happened, is happening, and will happen again.

Partially dosing huge crowds would not work, would be immediately noticed, and would bring a huge law enforcement investigation from the Feds.

It is a really stupid idea and a waste of time.

[NewHendoLib]

2. yes, in Robert Ludlum books

[TigressDem]

6. Grin

[thucythucy]

4. I highly doubt it, although

it would explain the Orange Slugworm's aversion to people wearing masks.

Still, using Occam's Razor I'd say the root cause here of all of this is deeply imbedded racism, and the fear of "others."

[TigressDem]

8. I never thought about the "anti-masker" issue in this scenario. Yikes

I agree about "Occam's Razor" and the main root cause of all of this is deeply embedded racism, and the fear of "others."

However, tRump does everything he can to amp that up and what would prevent him from using this kind of weapon?

If only on his Boogaloo Bois and Proud Bois, the ones that really did damage.


Wouldn't it explain military and police who had reasons to obey the law going rogue?


People have had this racism and fear of others since we began, but civilization especially a Democratic one has so much to discourage the worst behavior. But all it takes in a mob is a set of leaders that break the ice on the conventions and that is why inciting others to violence is against the law.

BUT what if he could do it without getting caught?

[TigressDem]

9. THANKS everyone. I feel somewhat better.

Although, I would LOVE to see this added to the drug screen process when arrests are made during violent protests like these.

IT IS UNLIKELY, but if there is even the remotest chance it might be an issue, use science and get an answer still seems a logical response.

The behavior of the crowd and the complete lack of filters of many top individuals who completely backtrack over logical positions and statement they have made seems to indicate some sort of influence.

THINK of Rudy Guiliani, MGT, that one crazy lawyer that said, "You can't take what I say seriously" as a defense against lawsuit.

We can see that people are bending to some sort of influence. No way should all the rethugs be voting to NOT investigate the Insurrection of Jan 6.

I have even darker thoughts of tRump threatening their families. As pResident he had access to put problems down.


Actually drugging people into parroting his memes seems less dark than threatening to kill someone's family.


And drugging people into pursuing their own darkest actions in regards to racist fears just seems like an approach tRump would find hilarious.

[Mike 03]

10. Ronen Bergman in his book "Rise and Kill First" mentions the

use of Scopolamine during MOSSAD interrogations, but only in passing, and doesn't comment on its usefulness. They used other methods more frequently, judging from that book, which leads me to believe it may not be all that effective.

"Rise and Kill First" is a history of targeted assassinations by Israel.

[TigressDem]

11. Yeah, we know about actual torture and "truth serum" would be a kinder approach in some ways

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jun/04/experience-i-was-an-imam-at-guantanamo-bay

[TigressDem]

14. It's scary how easy it is to dispense

Criminals use it and tRump pardoned a lot of sleazy characters.
Not just the high level questionable ones: https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-did-trump-pardon.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

Arsonists, murders, racketeers, people who committed mail fraud, bank robbers, drug dealers....


WHY pardon people like that? Unless you needed their creepy skills?


https://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/blog/colombian-devil-breath-world-scariest-drug-kills-your-free-will/



A woman who works at the local dance clubs admitted to VICE that she uses the drug to get money from her customers at the club. Instead of having to wait for an opportunity to put the drug in the man’s drink, she blocks her own nasal passage with tissue, and places the drug on her upper lip. She moves in towards the man as though she is going to kiss him, but instead he simply inhales the drug. In a few minutes, when the drug has taken affect, she can simply ask him to empty his bank accounts, write down the passcodes to his credit cards, and even move the entire contents out of his apartment and into a moving truck if she so chose.

In 2012, there were nearly 1,200 scopolamine cases reported at the local hospitals, a mix of male and female patients, who typically arrive in a state of confusion without any personal belongings – complete memory blanks in place of the previous night or day’s actions.


Documentary about the drug

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/worlds-scariest-drug/

[Midnight Writer]

15. It's in the chemtrails.

I share your bafflement. I know a ton of people who seemed pretty well grounded a few years back who are now unassailably loony.