Just looking for input.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

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What are your nominations for words or phrases used by the pro-control side?

I'll start this off with one of my favorites: "...Awash in guns."

[ileus]

6. two of the all time greats.

[oneshooter]

2. "reasonable gun control" usually means a total ban.

"For the Children!"
"What do you need that for"
"It's what European countries do"

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Johnny Rico]

43. Variation: "Common sense gun control", which usually means the same thing.

[beachbum bob]

451. no...it means oh lord the sky is falling...when Reagan banned Ak47 type weapons I didn't

see anything of the kind happen....nobody came for my guns and I haven't seen any such thing in last 8 years of obama except NRA and their masters making PROFITS

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

452. there on your keyboard...look

It's a bird; it's a plane...
No, near the lower right corner.
It's a question mark!


As for your thoughts, well we often hear about things titled "reasonable gun control" but things like registration and total bans along with confiscation appear just as regularly. Just google Australia, gun and Clinton.


After all when you enact or work to renew a ban on the most popular rifle in the US when rifles kill fewer less often than ANY other firearm what other purpose might be behind that activity?

[Bill O-Rights]

3. I've been reading a while and I wonder why "gun nut" is fine but "gun grabber" is verboten.

I guess that's how it goes...

[Bill O-Rights]

5. thank you I'm treading very carefully I think

haha

[ellisonz]

12. I've yet to see a post hidden or deleted for simply saying "gun grabber"

I suggest reading the Community Standards and Terms of Service.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[X_Digger]

13. Try on DU2..

For a while both terms were verbotten.

Now you just have to convince 4 random DU'ers.

[ellisonz]

17. Which just goes to show...

...how bad the state of civility is in this forum.

I've been on 61 juries and have only thought the jury got it wrong 2 times. That's pretty good IMHO. I like the new system

[aikoaiko]

431. My one and only hide was for "gun grabber"

Some one had posted a reply saying the wanted to confiscate all guns and I pointed out that that was an example of a gun grabber.

[Eleanors38]

448. I got a 7-0 hide for terming Chicago's gun laws "Jim (large, raucous black bird)."

[SteveW]

7. "Bullet hose." Water restrictions being what they are in Texas, I'll take anything. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Now that one is slightly obscure.

Thanks

[SteveW]

23. My (garden) hoses are full of dirt-dauber detritus anyway. nt

[MicaelS]

8. "Spray firing from the hip"

That's a good one.

[Hoyt]

10. "Responsible" toter.

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Another piece of work from antis, usually with sarcasm thingy: Standing in line at Chuck E Cheez is so dangerous, one needs to pack a gun or two.


You watch, some gun cultist will come along and say that the "overwhelming majority" of those with a permit are "responsible." Actually, that is not true -- take Zimmerman as one example, he's walking around with a gun thinking he is responsible, then he sees an unarmed Black kid (you know they scary people) and he murders him for no reason other than he can. Or howsabout the dad who leaves his toter out for his 3 year old son to shoot himself. Or the yahoo who serves as a role model for impressionable kids by struting around with his lethal fashion accessory. Or the fool who has his guns stolen to be used in crime. Or another fool who cares more about assuaging his poor pitiful fears, and not society. Gun cultists are not "responsible," despite what they tell themselves because they fear losing their access to guns.

Finally, I will guarantee that the vast majority of society that doesn't need to carry a gun to venture out of their compound are far less likely to be irresponsible with a gun -- mainly because they take the responsible approach and leave the friggin things at home or on the shelves at gun stores.

Again, they will tell you the Zimmermans don't count. But they - just like Zimmerman - claim to be responsible right up until they aren't. And then when they become irresponsible, they'll claim they don't count.

Again, the 90+% of society who would never think of toting a gun in public, are clearly more responsible with respect to guns than those selfish gun cultists who won't leave home without a gun or two, or who encourage others to do so.

[Rittermeister]

70. CC

Hoyt,

In a lot of areas, people get concealed carry permits not so much because they plan to carry every day, or even regularly, but because occasionally they go places where police are twenty minutes away. Not everyone lives in the burbs.

[Hoyt]

71. Some do. Some are so irrational they carry everywhere.

[Rittermeister]

72. Some do

I come from an extremely red area of the south, with a ton of guns and a ton of cc permits. In my entire life, I can only think of a single person who didn't work in the firearms industry (for some reason, every gun shop employee seems to carry) who carried on an every day basis. I would suggest that you might be overestimating the number of people who can't go to the bathroom without a handgun.

[krispos42]

87. That intervening space between your safe origin and safe destination is so inconvenient, isn't it? n

[Meiko]

89. I even carry mine in the toilet

[Lizzie Poppet]

86. You struggled in math classes, didn't you?

Especially with things like ratios and proportions...

[Lizzie Poppet]

132. AKA: the overwhelming majority.

Happy to point that out...

[spin]

137. Zimmerman is hardly an example of the majority of people who have a concealed carry permit ...

in Florida.

Currently 1,033,849 people have valid Florida concealed weapons permits in our nation and 909,260 are held by Florida residents. Since the program began in October 1987 a total of 2,372,788 permits have been issued yet only 168 have been revoked for a crime involving the use of a firearm after the license was issued.

(http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/reports.html
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_active.pdf)

From what I understand of the shooting, I feel Zimmerman murdered Martin. However I do support our system of justice and believe that it is superior to trial by the media. Zimmerman will have his day in court and a jury will consider all the evidence and determine his guilt or innocence.

I realize that you are on a mission to ban legal concealed carry in our nation which is fine with me but somewhat like Don Quixote tilting against windmills. I often wonder why you never mention improving and better enforcing laws to stop violent criminals from carrying concealed handguns.

[EX500rider]

11. "packing a gun or two" n/t

[Hoyt]

15. Yep, that really is absurd in a modern society.

[gejohnston]

16. how is "modern society"

in the US different than Europe 90 years ago? Other than technology and population how is today's society that much different than back then?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

42. S/he says......

....typing away on the computer, watching TV, having a cold beer from the fridge, while adjusting the lighting in the room. LOL.

Good grief.....are you seriously suggesting that today's gun is no different from then?

Oh remind.......






.

[gejohnston]

45. for the most part

handguns are not. Other than materials, some mechanical innovations, and manufacturing processes, not really. You missed the point.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

50. No I Got It

You say ' Other than materials, some mechanical innovations, and manufacturing processes, not really.'

That's all? Gosh.....I think you made my point.

[gejohnston]

52. not really

because I thought you were talking about basic function, firing rates, power etc. Besides, many of the same designs and models are still used. IIRC, the Walter PPK has been in continuous production since the 1930s. Then there is the 1911.............. or any revolver.

[Clames]

53. The 1911...

...shooting a bullet designed in 1904...

9mm designed 1901
.22LR designed 1887
.38 Special designed 1898



Such thoroughly modern ammunition...

[Callisto32]

55. Of course.

The joys of mature technology.

[Rittermeister]

73. Most of the firearms advances that have occurred since WW2

were related to manufacturing processes. Guns can be produced quicker and cheaper than they were 100 years ago, but the practical advantages are negligible. A Mauser-Oberndorf sporter from 1910 will still shoot the tits off a boar at 500 yards.

[rl6214]

29. Just look at any post from hoyt and it should be included in this list

[virginia mountainman]

14. Esteemed couleage Xdigger once had a list...

"all gun owners must be required to join the militia, like the constitution says nt"
"all gun owners should be required to join the militia, as the constitution says nt"
"gun owners should be required to join the militia - "A well regulated militia being necessary..." nt"
"all gun owners must be required to join the militia, like the constitution says nt"
"are you in the militia as required by the second amendment? nt"
"you only have a right to a gun if you're in the militia per 2nd amendment nt"
"if you're in the militia you have the right to bear arms nt"


"fear of a black president nt"
"gun sales soar as first BLACK president is sworn in - gee wonder who's rushing the gun stores? nt"
" having a black president has way jackkked up gun sales. hmm wonder why? nt"
"fear of a black president + right wing media hysteria egging things on nt"
"racist gun wingnuts and fear of a black president - great for business eh gun shops? nt"
"gun whackos run amok using fear of a black president nt"
" fear of a black president run amok nt"
"fear of a black president by a group which is full of racists lol nt"
"lol sales are way up amongst the fear of a black president crowd...WAY up amongst racists nt"
"fear of a black president is doing wonders for the gun industry nt"
"did they tell you a BLACK man is now president n u should run out n buy guns? nt"
"fear of black president - go out and buy lots more guns nt"
"fear of a black president is swelling your ranks for the most part imo nt"
"driven by fear of a black president, gun sales have soared in the USA nt"


"the toddler was just excercising his 2nd amendment rights IF he was in the militia nt"
"nuclear weapons are "arms". every 6 year old should have some nt"
"should be legal for 5 yr olds to carry at day care centers, after all, the constitution"
"constitutution does not prohibit 5 yr olds from owning guns. free guns for all apt. kids nt"
"guns for everyone, serial killers, 5 years olds, nut cases - constitutional rights ya know nt"
"children have a right to own and shoot guns anytime they wish. no bidg deal really nt"
"students have a constitutional right to carry guns at school...there is no age listed in the"
"all kids should be allowed to carry to school - 2nd amendment does NOT probhibit this nt"
"kids at elementary school should be allowed to carry guns, 2nd amnd. doesnt say adults only nt"
"yes the 2nd amendment allows 6 year olds to take guns to school so lets allow that too nt"
"2nd amendment does not prohibit gun ownership by 8 year olds anywhere they go nt"

"crazies n nuts have a constitutional right to own and use guns too nt"
" legalize al weapons - convicted felons have a constitutional right to guns ya know nt"
"parolees, probationers, nuts, serial killers - everyone has the right to own guns . "
" the constitution does NOT bar serial killers from owning guns...or 4 year olds either nt"
"2nd amendment does NOT prohibit guns on airplanes or in the hands of criminals nt"
"2nd amendment does NOT prohibit felons or 5 year olds from owning guns nt"
"criminals have a constitutional right to carry guns on airplanes - not prevented by 2nd amendment nt"
"terrorists have a right to carry guns on planes, not prohibited by 2nd amendment. nt"
"terrorists have a 2nd amnd. right to carry guns on planes - not prohibited ya know nt"
"terroristsRKBA rights are denied when they cannot open carry on airliners nt"
"terrorists & serial killers have 2nd amendment rights too ya know. nt"
"prohibiting guns on airplanes and in schools = anti-RKBA bigotry right? nt"
"unlimited protection = terrorist RKBA rights to take guns on airplanes nt"
"the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed for any reason at all ever lol nt"

"no righteous killing to get off on in this one? nt"
"let all those gangbangers shoot a bunch of kids - its their righteous killing rights nt"
"so will the resident gun lovers call this another "righteous killing"? stay tuned ..... nt"
"is this another "righteous killing" for the gun crowd to celebrate? nt"
" "another righteous shoot" ..... jesus loves u anyway nt"
"another "righteous killing" for sure - after all that's what guns are FOR nt"
"oh this one is not righteous enough for u lololol. nt"
"the righteous killings are wonderful if a gun is used crowd disagree with you nt"
"another righteous killing in gun land...oh wait, the kid didnt die....yet nt"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. Come now...

...is that all you have???

[X_Digger]

19. That was from one person..

whose idiotic one-liners were worthy of collecting.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. I just wanted to add...

..."they immediately get attacked by an email tree of NRA types."

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. Glock, or AK47

Every pistol is a Glock. Every long gun an AK47.

Because they're scary.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

22. Yeaaahhhh!

I need an AK and at least 2 Glocks.

[ileus]

24. make mine a G36 and G23

any old ak clone for a plinker will do...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. I personally...

...would prefer the G23.

I heard the Bulgarian SA93s were reliable, accurate, tough and ugly.

[spin]

138. I personally dislike Glocks because most have a double stack magazine ...

which makes accurate target shooting for me more difficult as I have small hands. I also find them somewhat ugly when compared to a 1911 Colt .45 pistol. However I will admit that they are reliable, easy to clean and accurate.

I am primarily a "wheel gunner" as I prefer revolvers for casual target shooting and self defense. However mastering the double action trigger pull of a revolver is far more difficult than mastering a Glock. The Glock comes from the factory with a 5 lb trigger pull while the double action trigger pull of a S&W revolver may run 12 pounds.

It's also easy to change the trigger pull weight of a Glock to make it lighter or heavier as a Glock has a drop in trigger system that only takes minutes to replace and is reliable. It is more complicated to improve a S&W revolver trigger and often requires a good gun smith if you wish to end up with a reliable firearm.

At this time I have no real reason to own an assault style rifle but I may decide to buy a rifle similar to the AR-15 in the future if I move to a more rural area. Like the Glock they are easy to modify to fit the needs of the owner.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

26. Just today I saw...

..."...the sickness that the gun pushers promote in our society."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. Not only "awash in guns" but...

..."The real reality is this nation is awash in hand guns."

Not just the apparent reality mind you.

[Remmah2]

28. Bullet clips

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[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. I think I have/had one of those!

[PuffedMica]

31. Gun control works

Cop killer bullets
Registration will reduce crime
Bullet fingerprinting will reduce crime
loophole

[Simo 1939_1940]

32. "Gun nuts" is back in vogue

now that "unbiased" DU juries allow slurs from pro-restriction members.

I wonder if posts containing the descriptor "hoplophobe" would be hidden or allowed to remain?

Hmmmm.........

[Callisto32]

67. They are about as good as real juries...

Hint: Take a bench trial.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

33. "...the gun culture thinks Randy Weaver was/is a saint."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. found today: "...all guns sales are subject to federal background checks."

Not so as far as I know.

[TupperHappy]

35. an oldie but a goodie...

"untraceable plastic guns"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

36. How about "...bad advice written to tailor to the gun nuttery of white suburbanites."

[Clames]

37. "That shoulder thing...

...that goes up..."



Get's me every time.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

38. Yeah, that's a scream!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

39. Here's the next one...

"...nuclear capability, and the 2nd Amendment guarantees it."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

40. It's been awhile but...

...this needed inclusion:

Just What I Thought

Cowards.

LOL.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

41. How about .......

Guns kill......unless of course you buy one to 'defend' yourself and the guns don't kill: people do.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

48. Hmmm...

Interesting. Kind of an oxymoron but interesting.

[Johnny Rico]

44. Let's not forget "Saturday Night Special"!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

47. I remember that song.

Kind of a memorial to the idea "media based legislation". What ever made the news on Sunday night, is proposed to be made illegal on Monday.


...got a barrel that's blue and cold...

[montanto]

46. "strap-on,

bullet-clip-magazine-semi-automatic-assault-bullet-hose-nobody-needs, spraying-fire-from-the-hip-NRA-Republican-gun-nut-murder-fantasy-blood-in-the-streets-common-sense-gun-control-won't-somebody-think-of-the-children?"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

49. Well at least...

...you fit the "children" in there.

[shadowrider]

51. You forgot

Plastic guns, the shoulder thing that goes up and heat seeking bullets

[Angleae]

54. "Blood in the streets", "Return to the wild west"

[gejohnston]

56. the most original one I have seen

"prancing around with their guns hanging out"

[beevul]

57. This thread is not complete without...

and

?w=397&h=666

and

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

58. You have to distrust lots of people to routinely strap on a gun before venturing out.

This is just such a gem.

[Oneka]

59. OMG!!!!!

The DEATH MERCHANTS!!!! Why can't we stop them.


The evil NRA, they block all the good sensible gun laws, that protect the children
and kittens, from doushebag gunslingers.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

60. ...DEATH MERCHANTS...

To misquote the character played by Eamonn Walker 'I prefer it my way, Merchant of Death.'

[HALO141]

61. Can't believe no one has mentioned...

"shell casings."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

62. On today's hit parade:

"laissez-faire gun ownership"

Thank you all for your contributions!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

63. For today I saw:

"...Zimmermans waiting for the 'perfect storm.'"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

64. A new favorite: "...typical a RW talking point..."

Such air filled mental hors d'oeuvres!

[pablo_marmol]

521. "I bet this thread is popular on Free Republic."

A distinction without a difference, I know, but what the hell.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

522. This thread is getting old but it's still a reference

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

65. "...nonsense from the gun religonists..."

...is today's new time waste.

cheers

[Callisto32]

66. "Promenade"

referring to concealed carry

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

68. That sounds...

...formal!

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

69. "High powered (assault) rifle" ... an oxymoron by definition.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

74. Absolutely!

A jumbo shrimp if ever I heard one.

[gejohnston]

75. "gun violence charities"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

76. never heard that one n/t

[gejohnston]

77. it is a new one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117240667#post7

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

78. clever... I guess?

[gejohnston]

79. rampant gun ownership

Makes some valid points in other areas, overall...........ironic or just hypocritical?
http://www.nyconsulate.prchina.org/eng/xw/t935226.htm

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

80. As if "rampant gun ownership"

...was a crime!

[Cronkite]

81. "high powered assault rifle" has to be my favorite.

Really now? So what is a .338 Lapua? An extry special high powered rifle?

Another favorite of mine is the whole "Gun as a penis" line of thinking. Really? I urinate out of my penis, I have a gun for self protection. I fail to see any connection.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

82. Raufoss, Lapua, BMG...

These are terms whose significance is lost on most of the public. It has been my experience that any general details of ballistics are held as some mix of boring and complex. Specific details of works authored by experts such as Dr. Roberts for example: < http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf > among others, are viewed the same way with somewhat gruesome overtones. The idea that scientific means exist to design and evaluate the incapacitating effects of a weapon system is disgusting and contrary to the beliefs of many in the anti-gun camp.

IMHO:
- "High powered assault rifle" has origins similar to "double secret probation". A high powered rifle is a "bad" thing. An assault rifle is a "bad" thing. Form a conjunction of those terms and the object described has to be a "worse" thing.
- Often, the worst inaccuracies are perpetrated when those credentialed, charismatic and popular writers and speakers publicize their emotion based opinions.

It is an odd mixture of my own feelings to view these anti-gun pundits with anger, sympathy and pity; anger for trying to teach others based on their emotional prejudices, sympathy for their ideological goals and pity for the knowledge of their rather certain self-frustration of their cause.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

83. I would like to see the Other Side start a thread listing their nominations

for words or phrases used by the 2A side.

I suggest that Push button words for either side be avoided in order to further discussion, out of respect for both sides.

I know that we have tried to turn it all around and embrace these words as terms of endearment but, it confuses the rest of DU and I think it keeps other DUers from participating in this group. They don't understand and are afraid of being misunderstood.

It is not helping us to obtain our goal of electing Democrats.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

84. Seems fair...

...to me.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

85. Here's a good one: "I think it's hilarious...

...how the Talking Points of the gun-religionists are so coordinated."



Oh... P.S....

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

88. "Emboldened by possession of a gun to commit this crime."

Another prize bit anti terminology.

[4th law of robotics]

90. "Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

91. The idea of a study aversion...

...fits well with a quote I just found:

"The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside." - Allan Bloom

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

92. Taking a new direction...

...we have: "Delicate Flowers..."

Why how pleasant! Must be the Old Spice.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

93. Oh... I forgot...

"Gun porn"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

94. An often repeated line...

..."A Gun in the Home Actually Makes You Less Safe"

Of course so does a bathtub, you may hit your head and drown.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

95. this is just...

...well you know.

"Guns are safer than soft feathers"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

96. One of the regular favorites:

"...too scared to leave the house..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

97. "indirect" effects of gun proliferation

A blast from the past.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

98. Making the list today is...

..."Hidden Criminal"

really!

[locks]

99. Funny one

Guns are manufactured for only one reason and that is to kill

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

100. funny

BTW, welcome

[geckosfeet]

101. I've been getting to exercise the "trash this thread button" a lot lately.

Just thought DU needed to know.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

102. I've adopted that as...

...my index finger's commitment to exercise, as of 1 October. I think of trashing what I don't want to read any more of as kind of pruning the roses.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

103. From today...

...I see a uniquely qualified claim:

Sounds like an Urban Legand to me

Yeah; right!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

104. Never at a loss for words

The pro-control group offers: "Pro-killing machiners"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

105. Has anyone suggest: "one strike you're out"?

Just wondering.

[Francis Marion]

106. assault weapon.

1) Assault weapon is a pejorative, and technically inaccurate as used by journalists and lawmakers. Assault weapon = full auto capable (machine gun). Ignorance and deception, rather than education and information, result.

It's also annoying to use Nazi diction, from which assault weapon/assault rifle is derived: "Sturm gewehr"

I object to the Nazi mindset, vocabulary (legitimate sporting purpose, master race, sub-humans, useless eaters, etc.), and contempt for human freedom. And that is why I am personally very particularly jealous of OUR Bill of Rights.

Simply, it's the Goebbels big lie technique whereby gun control people subvert the meaning of words: by naming semi automatic rifles by the pejorative "assault weapon". This is intended to stifle debate, to confuse and prejudice readership/listenership.

Ultimately, it won't matter WHAT technology is on the chopping block. In our grandfather's time, it was full auto. In our time, it's semi automatics. At this rate, our grandchildren will be lucky to argue over whether or not they can keep muskets at home.

Think of the divide and conquer strategy which stripped Englishmen of their guns- it took several years, and several bites, but that aspect of English freedom is nearly extinct.

Not here, and not on my watch. My grandson will be free.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

107. I am not a subject, I am a free man.

Many orators and writers have said this much better than I ever could.

On the negative side:
-Adolf Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
-Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."

On the positive side:
-The Dalai Lama: "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
-Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm: "The Second Amendment was meant to accomplish two distinct goals…First, it was meant to guarantee the individual’s right to have arms for self-defense and self-preservation. These privately owned arms were meant to serve a larger purpose as well…and it is the coupling of these two objectives that has caused the most confusion. The customary American militia necessitated an armed public…the militia (being)…the body of the people. The argument that today’s National Guardsmen, members of a select militia, would constitute the only persons entitled to keep and bear arms has no historical foundation."
-Daniel Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority…the Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
-Patrick Henry: "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
-Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
-Thomas Aquinas: "Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one’s life, one’s goods or one’s physical integrity; sometimes, even ’til the aggressor’s death."
-Augustine of Hippo: "Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."
-"But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:36

Not on anyone's watch. It's not happening. I'm quite sure that there are at least 600,000 - 700,000 well trained warriors in this country. These folks will not give up. Many have arms and some don't. When I think about those unarmed warriors I remember the words of CSM Plumley "Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."

225 years ago today, letters that became known as the Federalist Papers began appearing in newspapers.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

108. "What I meant was, sometimes you have to die for something I believe in."

There's a pro-control slogan if ever I heard one.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

152. One of the best.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

154. Have a link:

[AnotherMcIntosh]

155. Thanks.

[Berserker]

109. Another pearl of wisdom

from the anti-GUN crowd fresh off GD

"The gun gang doesn't tolerate moderates. I consider them basically just a variety of teabagger."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

110. Guns are destructive, they are lawless, they are a serious public health issue.

Here I thought they were inanimate.

Go figure.

[Eleanors38]

111. and "guns are unpatriotic." Really. Bunch of dope-smoking commies in my safe. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

112. who'dathunkit ;) n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

113. ** "leave the gun at home" **

Always, every time you leave the house! Don't go to the range to practice shooting. Don't take it hunting.

[Berserker]

114. Here's one just posted

"Gun fucks and white males crap out. Coincidence?" this poster was talking about the NRA spending 17 million backing repukes. Gun Fucks LOL

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

115. Ummm...

Yeah! Whataguy!

There are bridges could be painted with one stroke of the brush he uses.

[Berserker]

116. Here's a beauty

and I quote: "This whole fad of carrying concealed weapons appears to appeal mainly to old white guys who think they are targets of roaming bands of armed thugs." A fad LOL

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

117. So I guess...

...those folks that want a fighting chance are just stupid because they are not thug targets based on having more time working to accumulate money and by virtue of their years may be less likely to escape or fight back. Thugs are really after young folks that are still in school or just starting their professional careers. After all those 20 - 30 year-old folks are attractive and they are the ones you always see getting robbed or flying their own private planes with pockets full of cash on TV.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

118. another pearl here: "Damaging to the sanity of the state"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

119. 1000-yard scope

This malcolm is only 32 inches. I hate to see one of those deadly "1000-yard scopes".

[Puha Ekapi]

120. "Toting...

...a gun or two."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

121. Good but...

..."strapping on" rather than "toting" has that ring to it that pro-control really likes.

[sylvi]

122. "Delicate flowers"

Borderline (if not outright) homophobic, edging close to "pansies" and similar terms.

Sounds like a slur a high school P.E. teacher would use to embarrass a less-physically-inclined member of the gym class. Implying, of course, that the subject was "one of those".

I'm surprised it's constantly allowed to stand on a progressive board and without protest from those who would otherwise call it out were it used against a different group than pro-2A folk.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

123. ding. ding. ding.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

124. I concur

This would be one of those "one size fits many" type insults because it's insulting to different groups for different reasons but some groups are acceptable as targets. Hypocrisy?

YMMV and all that. I wonder if it was determined that most fill in the blank (some group), were Republicans, would it be acceptable to insult them? (By group I mean truck drivers, iMAC owners, amateur astronomers, Chicken McNugget lovers... whatever.)

[Duckhunter935]

128. Yep

[Lizzie Poppet]

133. Yep.

I'm often tempted to see their "delicate flower" and raise them a "precious snowflake."

[AnotherMcIntosh]

153. I think that I'm going to borrow that.

[holdencaufield]

125. "You don't care about dead kids"

[Duckhunter935]

126. "You cant hunt with that

assault weapon, there would be nothing left"

[Straw Man]

127. I've always been fond of ...

... "get these weapons off our streets," in re AR-style rifles.

They're not on the streets. They're at the range, in the field, and in people's homes. CCW-ers don't carry them. Gangbangers don't use them. You might make a case for the DC sniper's weapon being "on the street," but only just.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

129. The same term came to me today...

...that was in this reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post31

"loophole"

This probably the most often miused term of all.

[kudzu22]

130. "Weapons of war"

Seems to imply that there were no wars prior to the invention of the AK47. Like bolt-action rifles aren't weapons of war. Or revolvers. Or even muskets for that matter.

[derby378]

169. I can top that - "weapons of mass destruction"

All of a sudden, a Glock with an 11-round magazine is equivalent to a vial of sarin. A shotgun that holds six rounds instead of five is equivalent to a test tube full of weaponized anthrax. And as for those nasty AR and AK rifles - they could be equipped with magazines that only hold one round each and they'd still be considered as bad as VX just because they're AKs and ARs.

[Clames]

131. Gun fuckers.

That's one of the newer ones.

Gun cuddler, gun coddler, ....the list is growing...

[oneshooter]

170. Don't forget "gun humpers"!

[Common Sense Party]

134. "NRA Talking Points" is the favorite slur du jour.

I am not now and never have been a member of the NRA. I've never donated to them, never read their magazine, never taken one of their classes. I don't know much about them, and I could not care less.

But if I post ANYTHING about a Constitutional right to responsibly own and, if I choose, carry a gun I am instantly accused of "spewing NRA talking points."

It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

135. When they have nothing else...

...a lie will do nicely.

[sylvi]

136. It's an intellectually lazy ad hominem

meant to have a chilling effect against its target. Issued in the hope that the 2A defender won't want to be associated, however dishonestly, with a conservative group, and just shut up.

I dare say most of the people using it don't even know what the NRA's talking points are. They just heard someone else use the term and jumped on the slur bandwagon. Sad.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

141. I'd suggest that...

...the use of slurs and ad hominem attacks is just an admission to having little or nothing of substance to offer in a debate.

[spin]

139. Some NRA talking points are simply facts. Others are propaganda. ...

Calling facts NRA talking points is a tactic used by gun control advocates to protect their own propaganda about firearms.

Propaganda is used successfully by both the NRA and he gun control groups. The NRA is wrong when it suggests that Obama wants to ban and confiscate all firearms and the gun control advocates are wrong when they declare there is no legitimate use for an AR-15 and they are only "weapons of mass destruction."

NRA: Obama will take your rifle, shotgun, handgun
Amanda Sakuma, @iamsakuma
10:28 AM on 02/03/2013

Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, appeared on Fox News Sunday just days after testifying during a congressional hearing on gun violence, to stoke fears that President Obama will disarm “law-abiding citizens” of their most basic weapons.
“During the campaign, when [Obama] said to people, ‘I will not take away your rifle, shotgun, handgun.’ They leafleted the country with flyers like this, ‘Obama’s not gonna take your gun,’ ‘Obama will protect gun rights,’” LaPierre said. “And now he’s trying to take away all three.”
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/02/03/nra-obama-will-take-your-rifle-shotgun-handgun/

Assault Weapons Are Weapons of Mass Destruction and Should Be Banned

Robert CreamerPolitical Organizer, Strategist, Author; Partner Democracy Partners

Posted: 12/16/2012 10:36 pm

***snip***

But guns used for hunting have nothing in common with assault weapons like the ones that were used last week in the mass murder of 20 first-graders -- except the fact that they are referred to "guns."

Rapid-fire assault weapons with large clips of ammunition have only one purpose: the mass slaughter of large numbers of human beings. They were designed for use by the military to achieve that mission in combat -- and that mission alone.

***snip***

More important, assault weapons have no redeeming social value or alternative use whatsoever. The only reason to purchase an assault weapon, instead of a long gun used for target practice or hunting, is to kill and maim large numbers of human beings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/assault-weapons-are-weapo_b_2313290.html

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

140. propaganda is such a two-edged sword

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

142. "Extremists are still the face of the proliferationist side."

I'd have to agree. They are the face of the extremist NRA and the extremist Brady/VPC groups.

[jmg257]

143. I thought "delicate flowers" was good. "Gun fuckers" was colorful also. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

144. "The only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb."

I just like this picture:

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

145. "only people intent on doing hram to others..."

Thanks for that.
I'll have to alert my local police, the National Guard and the Olympic Shooting team.

[NYC_SKP]

146. "my precious". The group is the most pathetic set of low-information whiners I have ever know.

Resorting to name calling, having a protected group with 25 blocked members.

Pathetic. Nothing will get done with such tactics.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

147. IMHO...

...the inclusion of the term "activism" is the ultimate in irony.

[NYC_SKP]

148. Hugh actions:

Bait and then block members from the posting in their forum.

Weak.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

149. It's the counter-intuitive approach.

[Howzit]

150. Let's playing Jeopardy and answer your question with answers, rather than questions:

Shamelessly copied from elsewhere:

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at shooting ranges.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

29. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

30. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

31. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

32. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

33. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

34. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

35. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

36. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

37. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

38. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

39. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

151. +1 :) n/t

[NYC_SKP]

156. This OP is just a RW talking point.

How dare you!?!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

157. Put your bullet hose away.

How dare you accuse me of having a point.

[NYC_SKP]

158. You said "point"

Like hollow point.

You=shill.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

159. If I was on the beach...

...I'd be a sea-shill.

I'm here all week!

[beevul]

160. Can we assume you'd be carring a beach loading model?

[Bazinga]

161. Or perhaps a "mussel" loader!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

163. Take that Riprap to the other side of the Seawall.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

162. Beach loader...

...Sharps... Just a bullet hose by any other name.

I don't want to be just "Spray firing from the hip" but I will if you make me.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

164. regarding: "Now it is the hands of the police...

...and will probably be melted down for scrap."


[font color="red" size="20"]NOT[/font]

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

165. NRA talking points

Once and forever, there is not much you can say regarding a pro-RKBA statement much more offensive than:

[font color="RED" size="24"]NRA TALKING POINT[/font]

On the validity scale, it ranks with Godwinism. Just intense, epic fail.

[petronius]

166. Surprisingly, that's actually an NRA talking point

Suggesting that any (even vaguely) pro-RKBAish statement is not an NRA talking point is in fact entry 38 on the NRA-approved list of Team NRA talking points...


(Caveat: that's meant to be a joke.)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

167. Well maybe but...

...I think what you say is just another NRA...TALKING...POINT!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

168. Another favorite

"...your line of argumentation FAILS completely."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

171. In today's hit parade:

"I must delete this poll"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

172. "...gatt..."

Carry-on...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

173. "...ameliorate this and other gun problems in the state."

(ameliorate - to make better or more tolerable)

Maybe someone's been on: http://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-the-day/

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

174. "Guns in the hands of the public is a stupendously bad idea."

Now where is that smilie with its head up its a$$?

[gejohnston]

175. We are swimming in an

ocean of guns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

176. Be safe now...

...remember your sunblock.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

177. "It's so easy to stir up the Small Penis Brigade"

I so sorry for the step down to this level by the rights crowd and....

...

...

...well, actually I'm not. It is, apparently, a fair self-characterization of some to use juvenile insults as part of their rhetoric.

[oneshooter]

181. Used once, then hidden.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

182. By a little old lady...

...from Pasadena no doubt.

[sarisataka]

178. A gun nut is anyone who owns a gun

just to finally have the definition stated...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

179. But doesn't that...

...leave the true status of those 'in illegal possession' rather undefined? By all means let's penalize, burden and criminalize the innocent while leaving the true problem unaddressed.

How could such limited thinking ever hope to improve an issue of this magnitude?





As they say: "Never approach vast tasks with half-vast thinking."

[NYC_SKP]

180. As seen on DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=130072

in response to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=130066

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

183. ''I never had sex with that assault weapon ban"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

184. "...flood the street with battle rifles..."

I just couldn't resist this one.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

185. "Grab 'em all."

Seriously??

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

186. NRA logic: It's better understood if you remember it originates on the planet Bizarro.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

187. "When You See Open Carry, Call 911"

Five'll get you ten that your first call gets you a subpoena.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

189. "...armed rebellion is never legitimate in this country."

'is never', 'could never', 'never ever'???

Really? Speaking to the future and not the past, why?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

190. Just heard a new one today.

Apparently oligarchs and dictators want target populations to own guns so those populations will kill themselves off for the dictators benefit.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

191. Oh sure. Here's a quote:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."

[MO_Moderate]

192. Gun Control Reform Activism

More like 'revisionist' activism.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

194. Nobody's perfect

[MO_Moderate]

196. That's for sure

I just got banned for trying to discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform, which is in the statement of purpose of that forum.

????

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

197. Your question has, apparently, been answered...

...by the hosts.

[Token Republican]

193. Assault style weapons

Assault style weapons are guns that don't meet the definition of assault weapons.

And of course, THE SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

195. Do you find it offensive...

...that folks who have very little understanding of firearms or existing laws and no inclination to learn anything about them want to have a voice in deciding on additional laws?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

198. "level 2 look alike firearm."

Here it comes...
Wait for it...




Well, given this latest interpretation, I guess we are "awash" in guns.

[beergood]

472. is that

a copycat assault weapon?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

475. stickemup!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

199. "Firearms industry benefits from America’s gun violence"

With violent assaults dropping sharply contrasted with the strong economic positions of many gun makers, this appears to be just another misleading headline.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

200. "...we are not in a war zone"

[CBGLuthier]

201. "slaughtered innocents" when talking about children

How do they know all those children slaughtered by guns are really innocent? Hmmm? Hmmm?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

217. FWIW...

...if you refer to someone who is 19 years old and a gang member as "a child", you at least need some vocabulary help.

[upaloopa]

202. Trash

I don't even know why we have gunners posting on a liberal site when pro gun shit is mostly right wing extremism.

[petronius]

203. Two excellent nominations there!

Solid choices...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

205. So true

Sad but true.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

204. Thanks...

...for your hospitality and your liberal acceptance of a POV based on liberty and self-reliance.

[hack89]

206. Disagrees with me = right wing extremism. Got it.

I thought an open mind was a progressive value. I guess not in all cases.

[upaloopa]

207. What political party's gatherings does the

NRA show up at. Did you see the guns at CAPAC?
The reason you get so much shit slinged at you is because of who you associate with.

[hack89]

208. What political party thinks the 2A protects an individual right to own guns?

the reason we ignore you is that we know the party and the president agree with us on that fundamental fact.

[upaloopa]

211. No they don't agree with you. The NRA agrees with you as

do the gun manufacturers. One of your problems is that you mistakenly use the fact that the gun lobby out spends others as popular support which it isn't.

[hack89]

212. Do you think the 2A protects an individual right to own guns? Just wondering. nt

[upaloopa]

213. No. It never meant that. The SCOTUS was packed

with conservatives with an ideology that supports gun manufacturers and ALEC members.
Here is something else you don't get. Most people don't give a shit about the Second Amendment, don't own guns, don't carry a gun, don't think about defending themselves with a gun and think people who do are a bit off.

[hack89]

214. Yet the President and the Democratic Party believe it does

they are not right wing conservatives.

You are right about people not caring about guns that much - that is why gun control keeps failing. Support is wide but shallow - it is simply not a high priority to the vast majority of people.

[upaloopa]

216. No there you go again making assumptions.

They believe in our system which means the SCOTUS has made a ruling and they have to live with it.
It could come to pass that a future court will rule differently.
If you took the gun lobby money out of the equation then political leaders would tell you what they really think. Or get publicly financed elections and things would be different. You are hiding behind wealthy lobbyists who fund campaigns.

[hack89]

219. The party platform was written before Heller

Sure they have to live with it. Why did they decide to public affirm the decision? They didn't have to put it in the party platform. Why could they publically disagree with the SC? Could you imagine the rebukes putting a pro- Roe v Wade plank in their platform? What political price would they pay for publically disagreeing with Heller?

[upaloopa]

221. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's why

[hack89]

223. So the party and Obama sold their principles to the highest bidder? ok nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

220. re: "No there you go again making assumptions."

"They believe in our system which means the SCOTUS has made a ruling and they have to live with it."

Oh my. That's just awful.

"It could come to pass that a future court will rule differently."

Since you (seem to) advocate discounting the court's decisions in Heller and MacDonald, how would a future decision hold more weight? Would that be because it would be a decision with which you agree?

[upaloopa]

222. It makes no difference what I agree with.

in the future a different court make up could exist. A state could pass a restricting law and it get supported by the court.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

224. in the future a different court...

I have not much interest in "a different court". SCOTUS has in the past made some notable bad calls. I would hope that any future rulings, be they tweaks or reversals, would be based on truth and reason. The Obamas are Harvard grads and the Harvard motto, Veritas is part of the coat of arms of Harvard Law. The idea that law is fluid and may change at the will of the popular vote or "feeling" of the court is no more desirable than having the law depend on the capricious whims of a tyrant. The must be based on and reflect liberty and justice.

Sam Adams referred to what we have here in the US as "...the animating contest of freedom...". The quest of our courts, executives and legislatures is the balance between order and freedom. I'm sure most of the folks, including yourself, on both sides of this debate are wanting the best for everyone.

Have a nice night.

[beergood]

473. correct

a future court could overturn the heller and mcdonald case, but that wouldn't make it right. how would you feel if a future court overturned roe v. wade or the 2015 case that legalized same sex marriage? the constitution and bill of rights exists to affirm rights not restrict them.

[Lurks Often]

209. Somebody forgot to tell Harry Reid he is a right wing extremist

http://www.harryreid.com/ee/index.php/sportsmen/rights

Maybe you should call up his office and explain things to him.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

210. ~~~

[pablo_marmol]

354. Wow........looks like Harry Reid stands in strong opposition to punitive lawsuits

aimed at the gun industry. I'll have to post this link on the thread I recently started!

[friendly_iconoclast]

215. "white wing"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

218. Look pal...

...don't playing the "white wing" card around here. We won't have that.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

225. "...weaklings who need to have guns strapped on in order not to be frightened of everything..."

Warped IMHO.

[Jgarrick]

226. "Gun hoarders"!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

227. guns and ammunition are for settling personal grievances, enabling crime, and generally lashing out

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

228. your plaything is bad for civilization

[SQUEE]

229. I agree,

That one, just wow sometimes...

[Eleanors38]

233. "pew-pew toys." Heard that one few wks back.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

230. "A costly indulgence based upon a fraud." (the 2A)

[Jgarrick]

231. NRA puppet talking point!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

232. Just a quote

"It's hard for many people to believe that there are extraordinary things inside themselves, as well as others. I hope you can keep an open mind."

[friendly_iconoclast]

234. Check this out- "Commonsense" reappeared in the wild!:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/study-missouri-murders-spike-after-state-repeals-gun-background-check-law/

...Deputy Director Jon Vernick explained. “Requiring a background check on all gun sales is a commonsense approach to reducing gun violence

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

235. "...most ardent misinterpreters of the Second Amendment..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

236. "...the right-wing gun lobby, through its mouthpiece the NRA...'

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

237. "...the cult of the firearm..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

238. "Let's Disarm the Nation and the World"

Good luck

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

239. "repeal the Second Amendment"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

240. "precious" just to reiterate...

...the reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post146


Thanks again to NYC_SKP.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

241. "Old white men love a long hard rod."

Ever notice pro-control is short on imagination?

[beergood]

474. "men love a long hard rod"

i can't speak for all men, but i enjoy a hard rod once in awhile.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

242. "...blood-soaked gun lobby..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

243. "Killing machine, death spewer, semi-automatic assault rifle...all the same"

I guess the law can be as fluid as the language without impairing any rights.

[oneshooter]

244. "The police are the Militia"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

245. You can tell because...

...they carry muskets.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

246. "Reich Wing Republican"

Good one

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

247. Possibly my favorite of the week...

..."Notice how they covered up the 1st K..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

248. "...what may issue does, is allow people...in public, to notify management or call authority..."

Where, in the US does prior restraint have the force of law?

Notify or call anyone you want; call the FBI to report a stray cigarette wrapper, get Homeland on the phone an report your nephew for scribbling in a sibling's passport...

Who writes this stuff? Where do these ideas come from?

This is your brain


This is your brain on gun-control

[jimmy the one]

250. oocy dscntnt

I previously wrote: "...what may issue does, is allow people...in public, to notify management or call authority..."

dscntnt: Where, in the US does prior restraint have the force of law? Notify or call anyone you want; call the FBI to report a stray cigarette wrapper, get Homeland on the phone an report your nephew for scribbling in a sibling's passport...

You continue notoriously to take things out of context. Here is what I wrote in fuller context, & it makes much more sense than your juvenile cheap shot above:

jto: .. what may issue does, is allow people sitting in restaurants or in public, to notify management or call authority if they see someone with a pistol under his armpit or in his jacket.
.. what may issue does, is allow cops to question or arrest anyone in new jersey carrying a gun, to affirm whether he is legally entitled to carry it.
.. what may issue does, is PREVENT most of those people who shouldn't be carrying concealed guns everywhere they want, from doing so. For yes pilgrims, there ARE lots of people in the USA who shouldn't be allowed to carry guns, even gunnuts have told me this over the years, & they weren't speaking only of criminals.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172145852#post21 >>> post 9 actually

dscntn: Who writes this stuff? Where do these ideas come from?

Not from brains/heads filled with air. In shall issue states, a rogue with an 'exposed' concealed pistol gets scant attention if sitting in a restaurant or in public, he can't be checked for propriety, whereas in may issue states they can be more readily checked.
Criminals & prospective criminals just LOVE shall issue rules, since they go about undetected while illicitly carrying concealed, far more frequently.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Here's another you took out of context regarding myself, #21 from same thread:

prev jto: you apparently don't know what a 'fact' is, since a response of 'no it doesn't' isn't really a fact, it's opinion;
discntn: And from a few paragraphs above:
jto: Yes it does.

You take it out of context, dear, for in context I was giving johnston tit for tat:

prev jto:.. what may issue does, is allow people sitting in restaurants or in public, to notify management or call authority if they see someone with a pistol under his armpit or in his jacket.
Johnston: no it doesn't/
jimmy : Yes it does.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

251. I was giving johnston tit for tat

Obviously you're missing the mirth.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

249. "The gun industry is the only industry that makes products without safety features."

Shouldn't there be a requirement (maybe a legal requirement) for those writing legislation to actually understand the objects being regulated?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

252. "...give attrition a chance..."

That's a good one!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

253. "white cowboy hats...

...would make it way easier to tell you patriots from the bad guys"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

254. really? "...the gun lobby lid to them."

I'm amazed there's someone who trusts a lobbyist.

[NYC_SKP]

255. Yes, so we need to help them, poor little ones who cannot think for themselves....

...victims of the big bad NRA, and gullible!

I found the comment kind of sexist.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

256. Beware, rude language being quoted

"gun nuts everywhere are masturbating furiously"

Really? What gutter was this thought scooped from?

=> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172149093#post4

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

257. AMMOSEXUAL

Just wow. I'm sure if I look around someone has posted a little cartoon that will explain it all.

Now why can't same folks conjure up some toilet humor and batch of stereotype pictures to go along with this erudition? They have to be clever folks to be resorting to sex and penis jokes when discussing gun laws, crime and similar light topics.

I'll be taking all of their opinions with this tiny pinch of salt:
http://goo.gl/maps/buLCz

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

258. "The GD host forum is overrun by gun nuts"

Sure it is. I saw this gem too late to link it in LBN.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

259. Ban the Second Amendment n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

260. "all gun owners are terrorists and should all be jailed as such"

I've not seen a brush so broad in quite some time.
I'm in awe of anyone capable of even raising it and painting.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

261. "Military style assault rifles are WMD's by definition."

Sorry, today's misquoter seems to have made a mistake. This should probably read "Military style assault weapons...".

You heard it here first.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

262. "...the NRA and their buddy gun manufacturing industry is busy selling guns to children..."

Sure they are.

[friendly_iconoclast]

263. "(A)uto-death stick"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025460678#post28

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

264. new one on me n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

265. Federal Judge Tries To Make It Easier To Obtain A Murder Weapon In California

Yes, I'm sure that's what Judge Ishii had in mind.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

266. "what are bullets if not explosives?"

[DashOneBravo]

267. Saw that one

I almost spit my beer.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

268. ~~~

[friendly_iconoclast]

269. "(S)pecious gunnutted crap"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172153070#post11

[NYC_SKP]

270. Love it! We should pin this post!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

271. When the time is right...

...the party platform will change and we will finally stop being the laughingstock of the civilized world over all these guns."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

272. "Lack of a barrel shroud could help to reduce mass shootings..."

I'm just absolutely speechless. The really sad part is that some people will believe crap like that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

273. "Suicide by gun is worse than suicide by rope"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172153671#post24

I'd like to think that poster is merely...



...but being familiar with what passes for "gun control advocacy" lately,
they are most likely entirely serious. *cough*, *cough* Dunning-Kruger *ahem*

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

274. Maybe this would be a representative picture

Catching a whooper takes a big net.

[friendly_iconoclast]

275. "Gun nuts are rather racist. Check out NRA board members, attendees at gun shows, gun stores, etc...

...Gungeoneers here"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=909847

DU's foremost gun control advocate strikes again...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

276. same song, different day n/t

[beevul]

277. "Just hug your gun and get your orgasm and to hell with everyone and eveything else."

"Just hug your gun and get your orgasm and to hell with everyone and eveything else."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154384#post29

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

278. Wow! That's just sad.

holy crap

[darkangel218]

396. Oh my!

Smh lmao!!

[pablo_marmol]

422. "Just hug/caress your guns..........."

In my experience, a piece of ad hominem that gets trotted out after you've smacked down one Controller "argument" after another, and the True Believer is quivering in frustration.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

423. Wisdom inspired by frustration

[friendly_iconoclast]

279. "(T)he NRA is to blame for the Ebola outbreak in America, I say."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025616995#post51

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

280. My thoughts went through five stages of reaction

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

281. "I've shown that COLLECTIVE rights exist and no definition of "right" can change that fact."

Unable or unwilling to define the term but somehow has managed to accurately characterize one instance of that category of abstracts. Such claims are just

[friendly_iconoclast]

282. "It doesn't matter how many DGU's there were"- from the same poster

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154964#post17

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

284. That's a real prize

[friendly_iconoclast]

283. "(O)pen carry IS a white privilege, and a very big privilege, at that"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=929303

Looks like someone forgot to inform these people:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025430046

Black Panther-Inspired Dallas Gun Club Invokes Right To Open Carry





http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154917

Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

285. Couldn't have said it better...

"Looks like someone forgot to inform these people:"

"Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom." IMHO, this great quote is the premier explanation for the existence of the US Constitution.

A fellow I admire a bunch said that the most important export ever in US history is our Constitution:
http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/article/2004/04/20040402110801maduobba0.7845575.html#axzz3HU2qQEPl

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

286. "...the only time an AR owner...

...would need to be able to hit a playing card at 200 yds would be if he was shooting at 'tyrannical US soldiers."

The implication being that an AR is far too accurate for civilian ownership.

[beevul]

287. "target range orgasms"

It might be funny if it wasn't so pitiful:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154844#post28

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

288. "murder-clips" almost wins the silly sauce award...

...but is disqualified for being alliteratively challenged.
Somehow killer-clips and murder-mags just kind of...

...


...


...


...SING.

[friendly_iconoclast]

289. "The People" is NOT "people."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=155245

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

298. It seems that profile has returned to hibernation

[friendly_iconoclast]

290. "(W)hen you buy a handgun you have already committed murder in your mind"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014951413#post27

[beevul]

291. Another from that thread, where animism rears its ugly ignorant head.

Said about a person who accidentally shot themselves:

"Well, if you buy a snake you should expect-at some time, somewhere, somehow- it's going to bite you. Sorry to hear about it, but...."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014951413#post13

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

292. "So, again, I say shoot them on sight, let their bodies rot in the streets as a message..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025861647#post9

So I say, with what? If guns are to be eliminated, with what will they be shot?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

293. A new fave: "People are not rational beings."

"letting people have access to firearms without control allows people to use guns to kill a lot of people."

Nope; folks just aren't rational, never, not at all. Would that include the writer of this pearl of of wisdom?

[friendly_iconoclast]

294. "Those Rights Are Granted To The People By The Government..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172156412#post97

[friendly_iconoclast]

295. "(H)and-held weapons of mass destruction"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021012346#post48

[friendly_iconoclast]

296. "(A)mmunition is not protected under any stretch of any amendment"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627490#post1


Looks like yet another antigun poster is ignorant of
Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1989/1982/1982_81_1839

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=460&page=575

Then again, they're not the first:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x338707#338707

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x458450

[sarisataka]

297. guns use high explosives, every bullet is a bomb.

like this?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

299. Not recommended for use when...

...firing from the hip.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

300. "No gun, no die, it is the gun that permits easy peasy death"

That was a close one! I was trying to decide between an "easy peasy death" and a really difficult death.

[beevul]

301. "Gunner trash" "gunner shitheads"

Gunner trash rejoice that these families have no recourse

It's never surprising to see how disgusting the gunner shitheads are, but it's always astonishing to see that they collectively sink to such depths. As is obvious, they are self reinforcing in their despicable beliefs and behaviors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=965060

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

302. "People acting as their own government is called vigilantism"

I'm speechless!

[friendly_iconoclast]

303. "There are many things I have little knowledge of but it isn't painful or ignorance."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=157353

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

304. I've heard that ignorance is bliss

guess so

[sarisataka]

305. "Which is yet another reason we don't need guns."

as a reply to "Psst, zombies aren't real"

Does anyone own firearms for protection against fictitious creatures??

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

306. I'm ashamed to say yes

But I always leave my attic lights on.

[beevul]

307. "Fuck the 2A"

"Fuck the 2A"

"It's an impediment to stopping the killing."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627534#post6

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

308. I read that. A few posts below the mention of "maturity issues".

Irony, it's my middle name.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

309. "...violent gun killing machine deaths..."

Smoking such an adjective overdose is giving me the munchies.

[friendly_iconoclast]

310. "Go Caress Your Gun"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=157944

Posted in response when I pointed out that the actions portrayed in the following video:

weren't actually a good idea...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

311. At this point...

...the end of 2014, there's not much in the way of progress from the control side things. I'm still hopeful that the pro-control folks (probably just a few at first) will begin to see the wisdom in working WITH pro-RKBA folks toward a consensus and a common goal.

I can't remember the source but there's a saying about having better luck pursuing a goal than running from a phantom.

We're still "awash in guns" just look here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post198

[friendly_iconoclast]

312. "Murder advocates"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=7632

I do not trust the murder advocates in the NRA and the gungeon with guns however, and I do not apologize for calling them murder advocates because that is what they are.

[friendly_iconoclast]

313. "Gun culture is terrorism"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026060387#post16

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

314. I quite agree...

...and it's easy to tell which gun owners are terrorists.



http://kevinwhiteman.com/2014/06/isis-terrorists-25-miles-from-baghdad-line-the-road-with-beheaded-troops-police/

A road lined with dead or dying. Reminds me of a road called via Appia. That fellow in the picture with the pistol, I'm sure he's an NRA life member.

[friendly_iconoclast]

315. "Gun culture is a bigger threat to our way of life than international terrorism."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=990587

[beevul]

316. "As if the gun-humpers don't all cum in their pants during a Liam Neeson flick." n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

317. "(I)t happens every day...the terrorism of 300 million guns in America."

Posted by the same person who, a week earlier, posted the following about
the dangers of broad-brush stereotyping and collective guilt trips:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026070937

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

318. "glib sociopath gunthusiasts in this thread"

[beevul]

319. " The killing machine crew..." N/T

[beevul]

320. "he should have broken his damn arms."

"we have a right to protect ourselves against gun toting idiots. he should have broken his damn arms.""

[friendly_iconoclast]

321. "Emotionally, I'm cool with guilt-by-association for anyone who attends gun shows."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016112698#post1

The mindset explained in a nutshell...

[friendly_iconoclast]

322. "All Gun Owners And Gun Apologists Should Hang Their Heads In Shame"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022188101#post6

[beevul]

323. "they will shoot anyone who opposes the public carry of lethal weapons by Bubba and Mrs. Bubba."n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

324. "We don't want to take away your guns, or ban and confiscate them."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628167

I will be generous, and allow that they *might* actually have been serious...

[elehhhhna]

326. "Toddler shoots, kills_______". That's a good one.

[beevul]

327. " It's not like we owe them anything but scorn."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628246

[beevul]

328. " It takes a special kind of sick bastard to celebrate wife beaters having guns..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

329. "...pro gun sanctimonious charlatan..."

Now it's a party!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

330. "A true progressive would be cheering anything that pisses off the gun running NRA..."

Now there's progress for you.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

331. "Guns do not have rights. Guns and corporastions are not people"

Time to shift the progressive transmission out of reverse.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

332. Zimmerman is a murderer...

..."Zimmerman is a murderer, and those here who support him here on DU and elsewhere are supporters of murder."

[GGJohn]

333. So far, he's had 2 posts hidden and had his latest thread locked by krispos42.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

334. Here, have a shirt

[Shamash]

335. 4 posts hidden in the last 90 days

Any guesses as to whether this has improved his impulse control problems? I would not know, since I put him on perma-ignore a while back.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

336. '...opposition to gun control...' is an '...unconscionable position...'

Which control? Which laws? Any laws?

Is it 'unconscionable' to oppose the ".223/M855 ban"?
Stir that pot and see what kind of new "law/ban" can be brewed.
Let's waste time, create criminals without purpose and add some make-work for law enforcement.

Great idea!

[friendly_iconoclast]

337. "I don't give a flying fuck why those deaths (of children) might be fewer."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=166882

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

339. Oh my! That's ruder than the average toter.

[friendly_iconoclast]

341. I've often claimed that control advocates embrace willful ignorance

I'd like to thank that poster for proving me correct...

[friendly_iconoclast]

338. "I've often been glad I don't own a gun as I think I'd have killed somebody."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628839#post3

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

340. And that's at least as rude as the last one.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

342. From comments at the repeal the 2A

"This is the 21st century. Our need for weaponry is non-existent."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

343. But my personal favorite so far from the comments on repeal the 2A...

..."Guns are Bad" by...



...wait for it...


...



...Joe Stalin from Ke, WI

That's just priceless.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

344. "Ban all assault or assault-type weapons"

One of those controller statements with a poor ratio of meaning to emotion.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

345. "...what these gun nuts really want to do is play vigilante."

[sarisataka]

346. "Mars was probably populated"

Mars was probably populated until too many yahoos started carrying gunz and promoting them to others

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1096047

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

347. what? you're doubtful?

[sarisataka]

348. I believe it 111%

I just think it was the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator that did them in

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

349. bullets, guns, grenades, hooray!

[beevul]

352. Its the pro-gun rickroll. I fell for it.

You show a link to a statement, which others can not resist clicking on and so do, only to see the name that they just knew would be there, attached to it.

[darkangel218]

397. Bwahahahhahahahaha!!!!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

350. "Second Amendment in full glory in Waco."

Really? Someone sure needs to retake Bill of Rights 101.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

351. Another prize: "Poor babies, they'll be fondling their gunz like rosaries."

:snicker: :point/laugh:

[friendly_iconoclast]

353. "I don't need a source" -after being asked to back up a claim:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168457#post40

[friendly_iconoclast]

355. "I suppose the (gun) license could also screen to see if you were on a terrorist watch list."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6837910

The masks tend to slip when they're careless...

[beevul]

356. "Sandy Hook Children died because of his vote" (Bernie)

Good grief.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6837505

[Matrosov]

357. My favorite

I like to talk about the "elusive good guys with guns"

[Shamash]

358. Save your trolling for the uninformed

The CDC estimates there will be approximately 800 defensive gun uses...today. That seems a reliable enough source to me to say good guys with guns are not all that elusive.

[beevul]

359. "If it is CLEAR you are supporting gun control and your adversary is progun, odds are..."

"If it is CLEAR you are supporting gun control and your adversary is progun, odds are good that you will win the jury decision."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629096#post6

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

360. The current law of the land =...

"...subjective gibberish that's been heard for a couple of centuries now."

[beevul]

361. "...the mere sight of such gun paraphernalia often arouses online orgasms over there."

"My bet is that overall it would've been warmly received on the rkba board, simply because the mere sight of such gun paraphernalia often arouses online orgasms over there."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629096#post6

[beevul]

362. 'Why does anyone need a gun in a church?'

'Why does anyone need a gun in a church?'

"Irrational Fear."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4456153#4456176

[beevul]

363. "Gun owners are terrorists."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026862199#post7

[beevul]

364. "When someone buys or carries a gun, it's darn sure a symptom of their hatred."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026860053#post6

[Eleanors38]

365. The irony is just too big.

[friendly_iconoclast]

366. "I'd support use of every available technology to detect those who can't leave home without a gun."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

367. I bet they think that...

...only hippies, commies and Muslims carry guns.

Walking, talking, posting evidence of why we have the Patriot Act.

[beevul]

368. Ugh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141126066#post2

See thread title after reading post 2, for context.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

369. "going armed to the terror of the public."

http://abc11.com/news/man-with-assault-rifle-arrested-at-fayetteville-mall/825699/

Be advised, causing people to freakout is a crime in some places.

[Shamash]

370. To be fair

It is only a crime (a class 1 misdemeanor to be precise) if you are doing it with the intent to cause terror. Simply causing people to freakout may get you arrested, but whether the charges stick is another matter.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

371. I read a bit on some judicial decisions and...

...(I'm not a lawyer) there have been a number cases where the effect has been the deciding factor. IMHO, where terror has ensued, these cases hinge on the accused being able to reasonably show a specific legally precedented purpose for the public carry.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

372. "Why do some folks cheer on arms merchants when...they kick families of gun victims in the face?"

Unless I'm mistaken, this seems to imply that presenting a defense in a lawsuit is a kick in the face to someone.
Was it the defendants that rendered the verdict?

Maybe the court itself needs to sued for its 'face kicking'.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

373. Americans Don't Have the Right to Bear Just Any Arms n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

374. Silencers...are subject to minimal federal regulation and already banned in 10 states...

...they are easily obtained and big sellers. There is no reason anyone outside of law enforcement or the military needs one except to kill people without attracting attention.

Seriously? The effect of a suppressor is anything but silence.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

375. Guns are responsible for roughly 30,000 deaths a year in America

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/

Guns did it all by themselves. Not sure why they have that bastard Holmes locked up.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

376. "We are coming for your guns because your guns keep coming for us."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172172462

[beevul]

377. "And fuck yes, I would deny guns to people who were not convicted."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027011607#post19

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

378. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

379. re: Those who own guns tend to be part of a “social gun culture.”

Is that a broad brush in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

380. "...has been a nauseating level of brazen behavior recently from the right wing gun nut ammosexuals.

...who are determined to insure that nobody will ever interfere with their "God Given" right to have as many assault substitute penises as possible."

For the cartoon lovers---

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

381. "at least i don't love guns more than life and then twist things to support my bloodlust."

[friendly_iconoclast]

382. "There really is no safe gun owner..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141189896#post14

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

383. "Our gun policy is a diseased tree?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172176157#post40

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

384. "Since you stand proud with donP on this, copy & paste from the crosspost thread exactly where any..

...gun control advocate, or even the knife posters, said something remotely similar to what donP is talking about."

It's Christmas in September with Santa's Sister, Run-on Claus.

[sarisataka]

385. waterboarding daily would seem a good start

Ah Hoyt...

The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027238856#post17

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

386. "Gun love is a sickness."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=177828

Another juror voting to hide because they "feel like it".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

387. at least the alleged shamers are not piling up corpses by the tens of thousands

for breakfast

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

388. "We respect the 2nd Amendment but..."

'nuff said...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

389. "Australian gun retrieval experience"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

390. A New York tabloid...

...is calling the National Rifle Association's platform "sick jihad" and the organization's leader "Jihadi Wayne"

Way to reach across barriers and ideology to promote progress and trust but mostly just to sell a S&!T-TON of newspapers.

For the sarcasm impaired:

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

391. Does the Second Amendment...

...state that men convicted of beating their wives must be allowed to buy guns?

Sure it does!

[friendly_iconoclast]

392. "(G)un makers are a part of a terrorist cabal"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210023#post2

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

393. "The NRA and the 2nd amendment...

...are really about the right for gun manufacturers to have unfettered gun sales with absolutely no responsibility after the sale."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172182172#post5

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

394. "...we shouldn’t be making it so easy...

...for potential terrorists or criminals to get their hands on a gun..."

[darkangel218]

395. One word I learned today

"Gunzplaining"



This thread is awesome, BTW!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

398. Thanks

That's a good one. It's just a comedy of.... well mostly everything.

...new words like that... they're clever folks.
...a new 'toon for everyday... they're well, clever folks.


So tell me, if they're so clever, and I say 'since you're hungry, have some of my Cheerios' why would they conclude that you could only eat Cheerios when you're hungry?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

399. "Let's start with a ban on ammunition..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172182554#post2

You just can't make this stuff up.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

400. "The other day Ted Nugent was on the Alex Jones show...

...and they were talking about going on a mass shooting spree targeting liberals."

This sure helps in the control controversy.

[sanatanadharma]

401. As I type, 400 posts...

...from people who (mostly) are quite satisfied with the status-quo of gun violence in America.
How many death by gun does it take to change the status-quo?

This thread is another interminable diversion from facing up top the ethical needs of society and the moral culpability of all who will threaten to kill before disarming.

I can not trust a single one of you who are armed because the gun is a material and proximate cause of all gun violence and I have NO way knowing which of you (the efficient cause) has an ego so fragile that my next negative comment might just trigger you to seek redress by the power of that great leveler, the gun, and set you off on a display of immortalizing action (i.e. killing).

I will die. Everyone dies. I will not kill. I will not arm myself to kill.
I do not have a paranoid personality.
I do not live in a world of fear.
Bad things can happen. I will not live a life of expecting it.

And yes you can toss out the "won't you kill to defend family?" question, but that is just changing the name of whatever binding desire motivates one to believe killing is better than all other alternatives.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

402. Killing is never a first option. One of my guiding principles is:

"Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation."


It's also #26 in the USMC rules for gun fighting.
< http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/gunfightrules.asp >

Killing IS better than being killed.
To arm or not is a choice.
Choice equals freedom.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

403. "I don't understand this level of paranoia, do you live in a war zone?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027449247#post49

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

404. "Multi-automatic rounds"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172182924#post1



Are those available belt fed in .22LR?

[friendly_iconoclast]

405. "Abolish the 2nd Amendment and confiscate all 300 million guns in the U.S."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210137

Then again, it's not as if that poster will be doing anything beyond sitting behind a keyboard
to achieve his stated goal...

While waiting for another poster in that forum to denounce that as idea as 'too extreme'
or 'going too far' , I'll be translating the complete Encyclopedia Brittanica into cuneiform

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

406. I'm not sure...

...where jack the blog-flogger thinks 1.6 billion pounds of guns would go.



I do remember another blog-flogger we had for a bit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272768

I remember some kind of backstory but don't know or care about the details. BTW, does the google translator do cuneiform?

[friendly_iconoclast]

410. I'd imagine the clay tablets might be a bit problematic...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

407. And let me pause to again offer a word of thanks for...

...the cordial and understanding responses from the other side of the discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post202

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

408. In trying to understand and develop some common ground...

...with the pro-control folks, perhaps our (pro-RKBA) problem is "we are afraid of Gabrielle Gifford's moral authority".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172130286

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

409. "Fully Automatic Bullet Buttons"

Has anyone mentioned this one before?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

411. "We were seconds away from being sliced up...

...when we spontaneously erupted into a three stooges act."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172183366#post11

Definitely a new tactic I've never heard of, YMMV.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

412. "the vast majority of Americans support common-sense gun controls"

Really? They do?

Just find a majority of random folks who can even agree on what that means.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

413. "Iron Pipeline"

How did I miss this one for so long?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

414. "gunlicking ammosexual"

Who'd a thought I'd be this amused this early?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

415. "Fuck the NRA!!!!!!"

Possibly someone who considers Ted or Wayne attractive???

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

416. "...self medicate with firearms to protect themselves from imaginary dangers"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185496#post4

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

417. "...society pays a pretty high cost so you can go to the store with a gun or two strapped on."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141323670#post62

[beevul]

418. " Now if we can just get the rest of them underwater. "

Referring either to guns or those who own them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172186024#post3

Disgusting.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

419. 'Insurance reduces fatalities'

"We require insurance to own a car, but no such requirement exists for guns," Maloney said at the time of the bill's introduction. "The results are clear: car fatalities have declined by 25 percent in the last decade, but gun fatalities continue to rise."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

420. "Ownership of military-style rifles and machine guns should be restricted"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172186719#post3

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

421. "I'm not going to expose my family to murderous OPEN CARRY ammosexuals..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=186859

[pablo_marmol]

425. "What could possibly go wrong?"

The zenith of intellectual laziness.

[pablo_marmol]

426. "If only ________ had a gun."

The Controllers never tire of this little gemstone.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

427. There's this term...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

The controllers are just looking to be useful.

[pablo_marmol]

428. Ha ha........PERFECT! NT

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

429. "HIDE IT Explanation: Gun lovers are out of control...

...but wrong believe in they are in complete control."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172188150#post32

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

430. "HIDE IT Explanation: No explanation given"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172188150#post32

Hide it, ban it, control it... whatever...
That's what usually appears when a discussion of reasons for control appear... The control minded just answer because...

...because we need to...
...because we have to...
...because we can...
...because we said so...

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

432. Saturday Night Special

Is a phrase (not heard much anymore) that was thrown around in my younger days to describe an inexpensive small handgun.

It is an adaptation from a very racist phrase 'N-----town Saturday Night'

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

433. "De Blasio credits less guns for more stabbings"

I guess for some that's progress.

[SecularMotion]

434. Be careful, if you keep kicking your own threads you'll go blind.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

435. That's just another...

...NRA talking point.

[SecularMotion]

436. Masturbation is Satan's typewriter

[sarisataka]

437. Guns are designed for suicide

Using a gun to commit suicide is the fulfillment of the design and marketing of the gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7788584

Poor marketing plan if you desire repeat business.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

439. I thought of this quote from Lord of War

"I sell to leftists, and rightists. I sell to pacifists, but they're not the most regular customers."

[friendly_iconoclast]

438. "The sad part of the story is that the boy did not kill the person responsible, mom and/or dad"

He should have taken lessons like Jamie Gilt's son, on how to aim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172190770#post2

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

440. Hostility and advocacy for violence seems to be somewhat common traits...

...among some controllers.

Rather ironic don't you think?

[beevul]

441. ALL gun owners have blood on their hands.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027786106#post266

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

442. Of course we do

I George Carlin's words (paraphrased) 'Guns will infect your mind, curve your spine and keep the country from winning the war'......................

oh wait..........

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

443. "Has the word "skittles"...become a racist dog whistle?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172192366

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

444. "They acted as cops, judges, and executioners. BIg difference between having and using"

"They actually made the decision to use."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172193290#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172193290#post6

Said about:

"...the 36-year-old resident told them he answered a knock on his door and three men forced their way inside.

The victim said one of them pulled a gun on him and told him to "give it up," Johnson said.

The victim said he grabbed the gun and got it away from the robber. He said he shot at them as they advanced on him. All three fled on foot after the shot was fired."

Play stupid games; get dead.

[beevul]

445. "anyone who bid on the gun ought to be under surveillance..."

anyone who bid on the gun ought to be under surveillance -- 2nd, 1st or any other Amendment be damned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141455343#post7

I can't wait until the next time someone says that "gunners only care about the second amendment".

[sarisataka]

446. It seems

Those who favor strict control are not big fans of law or any rights in particular. It seems they really would like a police state where your privileges are doled out at whim.

Of course it appears to never enter their minds that they will not be counted among the select few. They believe their masters will reward their loyal service.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

447. Since I've read all of the following from the ban happy:

"They acted as cops, judges, and executioners."
"ALL gun owners have blood on their hands."
"He should have taken lessons like Jamie Gilt's son, on how to aim."

But all of that makes sense when you realize...
"Those Rights Are Granted To The People By The Government..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

449. I felt the admins should be aware of the host's attempt to turn Outdoor Life into another gun forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910411

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

450. "When that (having a gun for their defense) happens here, folks call 911...

...and I get telephone and email alerts from campus security."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027874549#post30

[sarisataka]

453. The Control end game revealed

The claimed "right" to self-defense is not immune from regulations governing who, why, when, and where, and has absolutely nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210841

Self defense is not a right but a privilege. The elite will tell you who can protect themselves, why they can, when it will be allowed, where you may defend yourself and, most importantly, the approved methods you are allowed to use.

As an initial guide to determine where you, the individual will fall:
- if you are a billionaire, celebrity or connected politician you may carry concealed guns and have armed guards following you everywhere.
- if you are a typical resident in a high crime city like D.C., "you'll heal"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

454. "Why" REALLY? WTF? Now I've heard it all.

There really is someone who believes that self-defense requires a WHY.


We all actually have a right to self-defense. Those who "WHY" actually deserve it.


"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it." - Abraham Lincoln

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." - Abraham Lincoln

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

455. "Criminal activities" would be correct. Mass murder of those unaware of a threat is a bit different

Am I supposed to infer that some do not see mass murder as a "criminal activity"?

[friendly_iconoclast]

456. "Truthfully, I'm not much on the Constitution... I believe it little better than a guide"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7940735

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

457. Hey, if Trump can run...

...anyone can. Maybe he'll find a party somewhere to nominate him.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

458. "Everyone should own an External Death Penis."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172196149#post29

Another thought that should be filed where the sun don't shine.

[beevul]

459. If respondents are so shamed by society about having guns they lie about it..."

"If respondents are so shamed by society about having guns they lie about it, that looks like progress to some of us."

Referring to poll respondents in a gun ownership poll.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

460. Got a link to that little gem?

[beevul]

461. I can't seem to locate it now.

It may have been self deleted.

[beevul]

462. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172196749#post7

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

463. thanks n/t

[pablo_marmol]

464. Has "assault weapons designed to fire tumbling bullets" been mentioned?

That one slayed me. "Assault weapons" are so lethal because their design is such that projectiles leaving the barrel begin to "tumble" on departure from said barrel.

Wish I had saved the link to that lil 'ole slice of brilliance. Would have choked on my coffee had I been drinking it at the time.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

465. "What if the police had been watching the gun ranges...

...and the private military training camps, looking for likely candidates who might be a little deranged and likely to use their guns and skills in an urban situation?"

There could be a special unit of cops in each county. Instead of blue shirts, they could wear brown.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028000032#op

[beevul]

466. "Gunners are suspicious people due to their love of guns and itching to pull a trigger."

"Gunners are suspicious people due to their love of guns and itching to pull a trigger."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028000032#post39

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

467. "Now that we have finished the big dick contest..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172197860#post40

We need more cow bell not references to genitalia.

[sarisataka]

468. Hasn't that poster

bragged about his extensive knowledge of firearms several times? Does that mean he is asserting the title of biggest dick?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

469. I had several thoughts involving...

...the implications of that or possibly the well known gun-control double standard.
But mostly I just don't give a damn what any of them think.

I will maintain a civil discussion with anyone willing. Anyone who feels the need to engage in disrespectful behavior can go find a pine cone along with a crow bar, a flashlight and large jar of Vaseline in order to locate that cone appropriately.

[friendly_iconoclast]

470. Gun ranges are "domestic terrorist farms":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141546810#post3

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

471. Sometimes I wonder if those folks can...

...bring themselves to leave the house.

[sarisataka]

476. You are a cancer...

gun owners, etc, the vile cancer of the nation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8102863

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

477. re: cancer

The guile is eclipsed only by the sweetness.

[beevul]

478. Police "need free reign to search any home and car in search of illegal weapons."

"I guess at this point, when we are talking about reducing the power and influence of the police, we need to consider the opposite: they need free reign to search any home and car in search of illegal weapons."

[sarisataka]

479. That Fourth Amendment

Is so annoying. Why wouldn't any honest person welcome a police search any time of the day or night?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

481. Going to have to add an HDD scan if you consider 3D printing

[friendly_iconoclast]

480. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028074860#post9

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

482. I thought that was a good one when I first read it

"We should have never let the Soviet Union develop and build the AK-47!"

Looking back on it I guess we should have said "no" in 1947 when Joe asked, "Mother may I?"

[beevul]

483. "Target shooting, while generally non-lethal, is sublimated killing."

Target shooting, while generally non-lethal, is sublimated killing. It is killing thinly disguised as recreation/sport, but it is rooted in killing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211339#post40

That sounds anti-gun absolutist, to me.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

484. "Contrary to the gun nut mantra, it is indeed the gun that ultimately kills...

...because that is its designed purpose."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211339#post18

[beevul]

485. I await...

I await the manufacturing and sale of guns which are designed to fire projectiles which are 100 percent lethal no matter where they hit.

Because they're designed for that purpose, apparently.

Sometimes I think these anti-gunners have played way too much Doom, and have BFG on the brain.

[sarisataka]

486. "When the police or another armed individual finds a gun on you...

open or concealed, public or private property, they can legally take your life."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8119218

What was that quote about the Big Lie?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

487. Oh my

You wouldn't have the text of that OP, would you?

[sarisataka]

488. Unfortunately I did not

get the text, which of course was self deleted.

[sarisataka]

489. I found it

in the cache. Like they say once on the internet it is never gone.

I Do Not Want To Be Around Open Carry People Even In Public.

I do not want to be around someone who is carrying a gun openly or even concealed. That means I do not want to be in the same business establishment with them either. And I will never accept them in or near my home.

My view is that if you are so paranoid that you feel you must be armed you should NOT be carrying a gun. You are a danger to people around you. And as a group we have a right to ask you to leave. WE HAVE OUR RIGHTS TOO. And I am sick of hearing about their God damned rights.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

490. Thanks n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

491. "The nutters will be along any minute now to explain this away." n/t

[beevul]

492. "Sorry, but my mind is made up and won't be changing."

Sorry, but my mind is made up and won't be changing.

[friendly_iconoclast]

493. "If you see a non-LEO with a gun in a non-appropriate place, scream bloody murder."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1564511

This was my suggestion for an instructional video:

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

495. I'm an unusual guy

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

497. you're the one who remarked on this thread

perhaps I'm not unusual and this thread is just the work of respondents eager to publish the lies, denigration and ignorance of certain others for their own purpose

[pablo_marmol]

520. Yawn. Predictable cheap slur. NT

[pablo_marmol]

524. LOL. Your reference to Free Republic gave you away.

Your comment was clearly not confined to the number of views. You really do need to brush up on your two-step.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

501. As I understand it...

...the duty of the host is mostly to lock threads which don't conform to the SOP. Freedom and tolerance aren't actually that difficult, IMHO.

If you're interested in hosting here, dumail him.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

502. I, personally, don't like the term "gun-control"

First, it isn't the gun that's generally in need of control.
Second, since it's the one in possession of the gun that's lacking self-control, the idea that a law can yield control is just a myth.

[sarisataka]

503. The article begs the question

"Why has 'gun control' become a negative term?" It does not answer, except indirectly:

Here are some of the potential alternatives -- and why they've failed to catch on.

1. Gun-violence prevention: This one has found favor with the president and his top allies. The Center for American Progress this week put out a memo urging supporters to use the term.

Drawbacks: It's more words and syllables than "gun control." It lacks specificity -- preventing gun violence could apply to approaches that don't involve regulating firearms at all -- and sounds like what it is: a cumbersome euphemism.

{emphasis added}

No matter what term is used, the approach is all about control. Any proposal not directly aimed at restricting guns is automatically rejected without even a passing consideration of its merits. Violence is not an issue, as long as the instrument is not a gun.

The attempt by gun control activists to change the term is very Orwellian and deceptive. Of course deception has long been a central tenant of gun control:

Assault weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons --anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.

-Josh Sugarmann, executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

504. "The only people I have encountered with AR-15ish penis enlargers are open carry assholes...

...that vote GOP."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141569294#post25

Prejudice much... YUP!

[DonP]

505. He used to hang around here

But he told so many self conflicting stories about guns and gun owners "he knew", and was caught flat out lying so many times he kind of faded away.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

506. I remember, yup

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

507. "Guns are a privilege."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172200221#post4

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

508. For the sake of irony

"When's the last time you rode an AR-15 to work?" passes as a valid point of argument.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172200323#post21


And yet: "Alcohol is a drug. For some people, guns are not a drug, so your analogy fails." points out a faulty analogy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172200323#post28

[friendly_iconoclast]

509. "Silencers...really don't silence and only serve the purpose of making your gun longer"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211810

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

510. I bet some folks still think beer leads to heroine

Along with some other popular nonsense:

Cracking your knuckles causes arthritis.
Waking sleepwalkers can give them a heart attack.
Eating a watermelon seed and a watermelon will grow in your stomach.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

511. "Ultimately I realized the gun rights people are just freaking nuts."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141641849#post4


That's not broad enough. Someone must be using a 2-hander.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

512. "I dont think we humans are mature enough to wield something as powerful as a gun."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211948

[sarisataka]

513. The upside to kids and guns?

As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the fewer nuts of breeding age are left and the higher the average IQ of the nation will rise

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1649445

[friendly_iconoclast]

514. "The facts are, the SAME people are buying more guns."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126212042#post8

Someone not blocked at GCRA should ask that poster about the rather large recent documented increases in the number
of gun owners in the heavily Democratic states of Illinois and Massachusetts.

Apparently, Kellyanne Conway isn't the only believer in 'alternative facts'...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

517. re: "Someone not blocked at GCRA..."

Wait a few, there'll be a new member along soon who could do so.

So far I think I'm the only one to be blocked, unblocked and reblocked.

[sarisataka]

515. "all gun owners should be deported"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028690353#post29

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

518. better idea

Folks that like the "deportation is an answer" idea should be deported.

[sarisataka]

516. Gun owners are criminals...

People with jobs shouldn't be deported!

They are criminals, but there are so many worse criminals like gun owners that they should be last on the list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028690353#post10

[friendly_iconoclast]

519. "Actually, no Democrat was ever "gonna take away your gunz." Regulate them? Yes.Take them away? No..

...That Republican lie, and NRA marketing strategy of fear, has been perpetuated by the gun culture as a right-wing talking point for decades."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126212153#post4

"We have always been at war with Eastasia"

[sharedvalues]

526. "Handgun ban". Keep kids from getting killed in cities

Let everyone keep their guns -- their rifles and long guns.

Ban handguns.
Handguns are the guns used to kill people intentionally, on a day to day basis, in American cites. Many of those killed are children.

Save kids. Ban handguns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

527. Handguns are a 2 edged sword (so to speak)

They are the gun most used to murder but also the gun most generally efficacious to use in self-defense.
Why ban a tool that's used to save more innocent lives than it takes?

[sharedvalues]

528. Handgun ban. Because guns increase deaths. Period

It is well established that more guns means more deaths. One of the many right wing propaganda messages on guns is that guns can help in self defense. This is false. When people have guns and shoot, others with guns often don't shoot back. When they do shoot back, innocents get killed too.

But don't take my word for it.

http://www.vpc.org/revealing-the-impacts-of-gun-violence/self-defense-gun-use/
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

"For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die"



Less guns, more kids alive, period. Handgun ban.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

529. Are you saying that a defensive gun use does not occur...

...unless the person defending kills someone?


BTW, Mr Sugarmann of the VPC has a federal firearms license to deal in firearms and ammo.

[sharedvalues]

530. Yup. America needs a handgun ban to reduce killings

What those articles are all saying is that more innocent people get killed by handguns in self defense than non-innocents. Including kids.

So on net, handguns used in self defense harm people.

The self defense line is pure GOP propaganda.

The best solution is to ban handguns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

531. What America needs is reality

But first, I realize you have your opinion and the whole idea of having freedom in the US is that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I thank you for sharing yours and for maintaining a respectful and pleasant exchange. My opinion is in the minority here on DU and often these discussions lead to misunderstandings when things get heated. I don't want things to get heated. I just want to share some thoughts, facts and ideas. Welcome to the group.

Just to address reality here, there are absolutely and with no doubt over 110,000,000 privately owned handguns here.

[center]* A ban just isn't happening. *[/center]
>> Making all handguns illegal would drive a serious percentage of them into black market sales and serve to strenuously aggravate violent crime.
>> Legislation supporting this idea would be the last nail in a coffin for any party supporting the proposal.
>> Any sponsors, authors and legislators voting in favor would become targets for Republicans, the NRA and host of pro-gun organizations to vote out of office.
>> Gun ownership in the US has a long history and even those who favor various new restrictions would, in large part, look at a total handgun ban as unworkable, unreasonable and counter productive.

I do have some questions:

1. Would this ban include law enforcement?
   
2. How would the impact of unemployment be mitigated? Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people work directly for companies which manufacture handguns. It is the general public and not the military and law enforcement who are the primary market.
   
3. If 1% of those who now own handguns don't comply, where would we imprison those folks? That would increase the current prison population by about 30%.
   

I don't see the VPC as being objective. I don't really understand how they're even taken seriously.
They tout as an achievement: "We exposed the rising threat posed by 50 caliber sniper rifles — weapons of war that can penetrate armor plating from a mile away and down jetliners on takeoff and landing but are sold under federal law with fewer controls than a handgun. As a result of our efforts, these weapons are now banned in California."

It would be nice if we could have fewer jetliners shot down but since we've never had any shot down that's not possible. Here's something that can be learned from the NRA: Peddling hysteria doesn't make you a criminologist.

Here's a few points made by the other side:
http://americangunfacts.com/

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!

[sharedvalues]

532. Let's talk about the way to fix violence.

There's two concepts - what will fix things, and how we implement it.
Here are DU, we should talk about what a real solution is.

And then over the next 10 years we can talk about implementation.

If one state were to implement a handgun ban, it would start the ball rolling. California would be a good place to start. Guns would come in from Nevada, but it would have an impact. Chicago is the city that really needs it - where the most kids get killed by handguns, but Indiana with its flood of guns is just too close.

Handgun ban. It will make America safer.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

534. And speaking of stuff that's not happening...

...I wish rainwater was beer. Have a nice day.

[sharedvalues]

537. Progressive vision - handgun ban

Think about the future. A future where handguns are reduced. Think about how the kid who got shot 4 blocks from Obama's house on the South Side of Chicago this year might not have been shot if Indiana had the same gun laws as Chicago.

[friendly_iconoclast]

544. "Lax" gun laws elsewhere are not responsible for murders in Chicago

The nearest US city in size, Houston, has a murder rate less than half of Chicago's- yet
it is a gun-friendly city, in a gun-friendly state that is surrounded by gun-friendly states:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/01/us/chicago-murders-2016/

(CNN) Chicago marked 2016 as the deadliest year in nearly two decades, data released by the Chicago Police Department shows.

The city saw a surge in gun violence in 2016: 762 murders, 3,550 shooting incidents, and 4,331 shooting victims, according to a statement released by the department on Sunday.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-census-chicago-losing-population-met-20160518-story.html

Chicago, the only city among the nation's 20 largest to see population loss in 2015, could be overtaken in a decade by Houston as the third-most-populous city if the trend continues, experts said.

The city of Chicago lost about 2,890 residents between 2014 and 2015, bringing the city's population down to 2,720,546, according to newly released data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Numbers made available in March showed the greater Chicago area, which includes the city and suburbs and extends into Wisconsin and Indiana, lost an estimated 6,263 residents — the greatest loss of any metropolitan area in the country.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-murder-rate-hold-steady-acevedo-chief-10838363.php

By the end of September 2016, Houston already had counted 235 murders, putting the city on pace to reach 345 murders by Dec. 31 — an unlucky 13 percent jump from the previous year.

That did not happen.

Last year’s murder tally will hold steady at 302 murders, according to preliminary Houston Police Department data. That’s one fewer murder than in 2015, though it still exceeds the five-year average by more than a quarter.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/SEX205210/4835000

Houston city, Texas

Population, 2015: 2,296,224

Promogulating faith-promoting rumor will not bring about your desired handgun ban-
your 'progressive vision' is a fantasy.

[gejohnston]

558. What does Indiana have to do with Chicago?

The people who shot the kid did not have an IL FOID, could not pass a background check in a gun store, and the Gun Control Act prohibits interstate handgun sales without going through a licensed dealer in the buyer's state of residence. Also, the Wright-Rossi and other studies showed that criminals don't go to gun stores or gun shows. They are not in the habit of filling out federal forms asking personal questions. If Sara Palin, or Joe Biden for that matter, came to my house, it would be a federal crime for me to sell or give them a gun simply because they are not residents of my state.
Brazil and Mexico have even stricter gun control laws. How is that working out? Heroin has been banned for over a century, yet it kills more people than guns.
Australia doesn't ban handguns either. The ban was semi-auto and pump-action long guns. Even then they were confiscated from licensed gun owners and the guns were registered. It had no effect on basement made machine guns used by biker gangs.
Out of the fifteen peer-reviewed studies that looked at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement, there is no evidence of cause and effect.
Did you know that when ice cream sales go up, shark attacks go up? That's true.

The problem isn't gun laws, it is the GINI Coefficient and culture. We have more wealth inequality than Canada. Mexico and Brazil have more than we do.

BTW, if Indiana is the reason Chicago has a gang problem, why doesn't Indiana have the same problem? Why doesn't El Paso have an even worse problem?

[sharedvalues]

533. Kates, Mauser is a false opinion piece by pro-gun, pro-killing advocates - SNOPES.

First, let me say: I learned to shoot at the age of 12. I understand where guns come from and how people can get attached to them. As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities. And kill the most kids in American cities.

-----

That said, sorry to say this - Your article is an opinion piece by people with an agenda.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

From snopes:

The paper in question was not peer-reviewed, it didn't constitute a study, and it misrepresented separate research to draw shaky, unsupported conclusions.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

535. Exactly, there's no shortage of opinion pieces...

...from either side that aren't peeir-reviewed and don't prove anything.

On the surface using basic common sense, most can see that attempting to ban handguns won't win you any substantial allies, won't get you elected in anything other than a really small municipal district and will never happen on a national level.

The one simple fact is that the number guns owned in the US is completely unrelated to the violent crime rate. Criminologists won't argue to ban handguns. Bans are truly more about the desire for control than any substantiated logic that will amount to decreases in crime. People find control attractive for many reasons.

Consider what it will take to outlaw 3-D printers and some simple machining tools while you're banning.

[sharedvalues]

536. Fewer guns, fewer kids killed. See Australia.

In the 90s, most would say that massive tax cuts for the rich would never happen on a national level. Then the GOP committed to it. Now such tax cuts and government destruction are reality.

most can see that attempting to ban handguns won't win you any substantial allies, won't get you elected in anything other than a really small municipal district and will never happen on a national level.

Banning handguns is a policy position right now, in most US cities. Where a large portion of the American population is. Handgun bans in DC and Chicago were in force until Antonin Gun-Death Scalia wrote the majority opinion in Heller vs DC.

A handgun ban is the clearest solution to bridging the gap between non-urban gun enthusiasts and urban residents seeing their friends and kids shot by handguns.

Let people keep rifles, as in Canada.

Ban handguns.

[oneshooter]

538. And just how do you plan to pay for them? n/t

[sharedvalues]

539. Pay for a handgun ban? Budget is over $1 trillion.

There are many many ways we could alter our budget to make America safer.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

540. I think we can have Mexico pay for it

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[oneshooter]

547. I believe you are confused, please read the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution.

[sharedvalues]

548. Please read the 2nd. "Militia".

[yagotme]

574. Please read the 2nd. "the people"

From Wikipedia:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Note the commas separating portions of the text. Wonder why they're there?

[Straw Man]

542. Alternate facts?

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As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

Canada does not ban handguns. License and restrict, yes, but not ban.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

[sharedvalues]

543. There are a ton of rifles in Canada and low crime

And restricted handguns.

[Straw Man]

545. So no handgun ban in Canada, right?

Then you're recanting this, then?

As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

And your contention is that handgun restriction is the primary reason for Canada's lower crime rates? Do you think that if handguns were removed from circulation in the US, our crime rates would be comparable to theirs?

[friendly_iconoclast]

546. I sense a galloping case of factose intolerance...

[sharedvalues]

550. Handguns kill kids every year in American cities. Thanks, Scalia.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

553. I sense there maybe a bit of improper foundation...

...for this solution. With the stated problem being: "Handguns kill kids every year in American cities." one would think that this problem would be rather universal. It's not. According to the CDC's database for the most recent year available (2015) Illinois did have 20 firearm homicides with victims ages 0-14 and California had 22. However, the states of New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland and even DC had 0. That's ZERO, none at all. These are states with non-trivial populations which include cities where violence, guns, drugs and gangs are not small problems.

New Jersey had 31 firearm homicides for ages 0-14 between 2009 and 2015. Of the around 9,000,000 residents, less than 500 have permits to carry. In Pennsylvania (a "shall issue" state) a permit to carry concealed requires an NICS check, an application, a $19 check and a pulse. In PA, persons 18 and over who are legally allowed to own a gun may open carry except in Philly and where specifically prohibited by law without a permit, investigation or justification.

In DC in the year before the Heller decision (2007) there were 3 firearm homicides in the 0-14 age group. For all the years on record after the Heller decision (2009-2015) there are no firearm homicides for that age group. Year prior to Heller: 3; all 7 years after: 0.

What is it that DC and these states are doing right that Illinois and California aren't? It isn't gun restriction.

Are you sure your "want" isn't a solution in search of a problem?

[sharedvalues]

554. Pictures of kid deaths in DC

Here are some pictures of kids and teens killed in DC.
Similar sites exist for Chicago, Boston, NYC.
http://homicidewatch.org

There's a reason why cities are all dramatically in favor of gun control (see Bloomberg in NY, Menino in Boston, and same in Chicago, DC).

It's because cities see people -- including kids -- getting killed regularly with guns.

The gun control issue in America is fundamentally a city vs suburb/rural issue. Look, I grew up in a rural place where hunting was big. I learned to shoot and enjoyed shooting a rifle as a kid. I realize people enjoy shooting and I want to let them continue. But I also realize that Americans who don't live in cities don't know how many other Americans are killed by guns in cities.

Thus the compromise solution: allow rifles, ban handguns.

(This is very much like the Canadian solution, as discussed -- handguns are heavily restricted but many Canadians own rifles. That's why Canada has so many guns and so few gun killings.)

[friendly_iconoclast]

555. An obvious attempt at moral panic-mongering: "Won't somebody *please* think of the children?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Logical fallacy

In their 2002 book, Art, Argument, and Advocacy: Mastering Parliamentary Debate, John Meany and Kate Shuster called the use of the phrase "Think of the children" in debate a type of logical fallacy and an appeal to emotion. According to the authors, a debater may use the phrase to emotionally sway members of the audience and avoid logical discussion. They provide an example: "I know this national missile defense plan has its detractors, but won't someone please think of the children?" Their assessment was echoed by Margie Borschke in an article for the journal Media International Australia incorporating Culture and Policy, with Borschke calling its use a rhetorical tactic.

Ethicist Jack Marshall described "Think of the children!" as a tactic used in an attempt to end discussion by invoking an unanswerable argument. According to Marshall, the strategy succeeds in preventing rational debate. He called its use an unethical manner of obfuscating debate, misdirecting empathy towards an object which may not have been the focus of the original argument. Marshall wrote that although the phrase's use may have a positive intention, it evokes irrationality when repeatedly used by both sides of a debate. He concluded that the phrase can transform the observance of regulations into an ethical quandary, cautioning society to avoid using "Think of the children!" as a final argument...

Moral panic

The Journal for Cultural Research published an article in 2010 by Debra Ferreday, which was republished in the 2011 book Hope and Feminist Theory. According to Ferreday, media use of "Won't someone think of the children!" had become common in a climate of moral panic. She suggested that the phrase was becoming so common that it could become another Godwin's law.

In a 2011 article for the journal Post Script, Andrew Scahill wrote about the power of children in rhetoric to create an untenable stance for an opposing viewpoint. According to Scahill, an individual arguing "for the children" makes it extremely difficult for an opponent to hold a "not for the children" position.

We're quite used to gun control advocates who do very little aside from wearing out
computer keyboards. If this is the way you wish to proceed, by all means do so.

After all, approaches like this have helped to make gun control what it is today...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

557. I did look at that link for several minutes

Alas, time wasted. I found no children killed by firearms but I gave up after 5 - 10 minutes.
I saw one "picture of kid deaths in DC". A baby was beaten to death.

Where possible many groups overflow with a message of fear.
> I get tired of explaining to people that banning "assault weapons" does nothing since functionally equivalent firearms are readily available.
> I then become exasperated when they just expand their wild demands to say all guns equivalent to an assault weapon need to be banned.
> The utterly absurd overreach of the Massachusetts AG and the dementia inspired AWB is beyond logic since that state hadn't had a murder using anything might even qualify for the ban for months to years prior to her grandstanding announcement.


What a lot of gun "control" is about today is a solution in search of problem which doesn't exist.
What's really fascinating is that none of these folks shows embarrassment.
Then again, when confronted about his voiced concern over the possibility Guam capsizing, Congressman Hank Johnson explained, with no embarrassment, that he was just making a joke in that hearing:

It seems that no matter what bizarreness some public figures spout off with, embarrassment is entirely optional.

[sharedvalues]

563. Obvious pics of dead kids ...and dead adults. Killed by guns. Thanks, Scalia.

[friendly_iconoclast]

570. Going to keep rolling with the fallacial appeals to emotion? Fine

You are perfectly free to use Helen Lovejoy as a role model.

Likewise, we are perfectly free (within DU rules, of course) to lampoon your doing so:

[friendly_iconoclast]

571. BTW, "it's to save children" is an old, dishonorable political schtick:

[sharedvalues]

572. I'll just keep stating the truth, which the pro-gun lobby tries to obscure

Gun control makes Sandy Hook less likely.

Gun control and a handgun ban makes those people -- kids and adults -- in the DC pictures more likely to be alive today.

Decreasing deaths is a worthy goal, do you agree?

[friendly_iconoclast]

573. No doubt while doing so you'll be putting much wear on your computers' keyboard...

...and very little time in real-world activism.

Decreasing deaths is a worthy goal, do you agree?

It is- however, keyboard-abetted slacktivism will do little or nothing to bring it about.

Have you met with your local Congresscritter? Gone to public meetings that aren't limited to those
who already agree with you? Started or participated in any ballot initiatives?

There's a reason that, like the various Occupy movements, gun control has faded away:
lack of followup.

Another is the attempt to blame crimes on those who haven't committed any

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

556. thanks for the link but I don't see the relevance n/t

[sharedvalues]

549. Right. Handgun ban in US.

I will insert parentheses to explain which clause modifies which verb.

(As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles), but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

As in Canada: retain rifles.
(And dramatically restrict handguns, but that isn't relevant to your nitpicking)

In America: retain rifles, and ban handguns.

[Straw Man]

551. Eh?

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I will insert parentheses to explain which clause modifies which verb.

(As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles), but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

Let's break this down, shall we?

I don't know what you think parentheses do, but they do not "explain which clause modifies which verb." Your ambiguous sentence construction lends itself to two different interpretations (parentheses removed for total irrelevance):

As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

First of all, the core of your main clause is I want.

Option A:

As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

In this formulation let and ban are infinitives (sharing to), and are nominal in function, serving as the objects of the verb want. In layman's terms, they are what you want This meaning would be made clearer by adding the to before ban, reaffirming that it functions in parallel with to let -- i.e., that both are objects of want.

Option B:

As in Canada, I want to let Americans retain rifles, but ban handguns which are the guns that kill the most people in American cities.

In the second formulation, we start with the infinitive to let, which is the object of the verb want. It has its own object, Americans, which is followed by two bare infinitives: retain and ban. In layman's terms, retain and ban are what you want to let Americans do. This meaning would be made clearer by eliminating the comma after rifles, indicating that it is a list of two parallel items, in this case bare infinitives.

Are you with me so far? Good. Now for the painful part.

Regardless of which form we use, you are seeing parallelism in action. There really is only one main clause, I want X -- X being the totality of the parallel elements in either formulation. Therefore, the introductory phrase As in Canada applies to everything that follows.

If the syntactic proof doesn't do it for you, let's try it lexically. The use of the verb retain necessarily implies that something was removed: something that wasn't rifles. Something like ... handguns?

It could get even nitpickier and point out that the lack of a comma after handguns makes the following relative clause restrictive, meaning that you don't want to ban all handguns, but only those that "are the guns that kill the most people in American cities." (Note that I'm allowing for restrictive use of which -- not exactly traditional, but the comma is the clincher: restrictive without, non-restrictive with.) I'm not sure how you would do this. Makes and models that are statistically overrepresented in crimes? Actual confiscated crime guns? I'm pretty sure those would stay out of circulation anyway. Anyway, you see how it goes.

[friendly_iconoclast]

552. And you are doing what, exactly, to bring this about? Fine words butter no parsnips

[sharedvalues]

560. Few handguns in Canada. Few deaths. But many rifles.

America should ban handguns.

[Straw Man]

564. Logic deserts you yet again.

Few handguns in Canada. Few deaths. But many rifles.

America should ban handguns.

Because no one can be killed with a rifle? I see.

[sharedvalues]

565. Canada: many rifles, few deaths. Key: few handguns.

[Straw Man]

569. A mindless mantra.

Canada: many rifles, few deaths. Key: few handguns.

Canada: much snow, few deaths. Key: few palm trees.

Makes about as much sense, eh?

[sarisataka]

568. Are you suggesting

We impliment a handgun ban from sea to shining sea?

[gejohnston]

559. none of the studies supporting gun control are peer reviewed

and are funded by Bloomberg or the same foundation that astro turfs Brady Campaign.

As for Snopes, it isn't the arbiter of truth it used to be.

[sharedvalues]

561. Ha. Pro-gun agenda funded by gun manufacturers

And wealthy GOP donors, using gun identity politics to get votes for destroying government for tax giveaways to the rich.

[gejohnston]

567. Umm, no.

All the US manufacturers combined does not equal Bloomberg's ability to drop 20 million on a referendum in Oregon, or a recall in Colorado. If it wasn't for billionaires like Bloomberg and celebrities who attend Brady Campaign fundraisers in black tie, the prohibition lobby would not exist.

BTW, what is "gun identity" politics? I don't think you understand what identity politics is. What does it have to do with tax rates?

[sharedvalues]

562. Handgun ban is on the side of right, and the side of history

That's why every other developed democracy has strong gun control laws.

Only in America, where we let rich donors and corporations buy votes through identity politics, is there this idea that we need our gun laws to allow guns that kill ourselves and our kids.

[gejohnston]

566. actually, no.

Those "undeveloped" countries have stricter laws. History is cylindrical, not linear. The reason these countries have stricter laws have more to do with the Red Scare between the world wars, and the laws left over from fascist occupation. Italy is the prime example. They actually had lower crime rates before.

Only in America, where we let rich donors and corporations buy votes through identity politics, is there this idea that we need our gun laws to allow guns that kill ourselves and our kids.

Except, my side is the grassroots side. The money doesn't buy votes, just propaganda on the idiot box aka the TV. Identity politics have nothing to do with guns, it has more to do with fringe elements of the far left and right.

[Straw Man]

541. Come again?

What those articles are all saying is that more innocent people get killed by handguns in self defense than non-innocents.

So you think that self-defense is only successful if the assailant is killed? I beg to differ. The number of justifiable homicides in self-defense is only a small part of the total number of armed self-defense incidents, which includes those in which the assailant is wounded but not killed and those in which no shot is ever fired.

So on net, handguns used in self defense harm people.

Yes. They harm criminals, resulting in their death, wounding, apprehension, or, at the very least, failure to successfully perpetrate the intended crime.

Thanks for playing, but no points for the cherry-picked and irrelevant statistics.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

575. "NRA Terrorists are Losing"

I must be the odd duck. The last 2 times I looked at the NRA site was through a link posted by a pro-restriction person.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

576. "gun porn is the worst porn"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12141470#post1

[Alea]

577. My all time favorite

93 percent of Americans favor.... this that or the other

A note of observation- One of the longest threads on DU comes from the gungeon

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

578. regarding.............

regarding: "93 percent of Americans favor..."
>> I'm sure they do. If you ask 100 random people if they favor strong gun laws, UBCs, more training for CC... 93 will answer yes. The other 7 are probably and maybe 1 of those 93 are knowledgeable about existing gun laws. Not that the other 7 would be opposed but I feel that their answers may be more complicated than "yes".


regarding: "One of the longest threads on DU..."
>> Characterizing thread length as a competition may be unfair as this thread exists in...
...such a "target rich environment".

[friendly_iconoclast]

579. "Expanded background checks to include local police departments needs to be implemented in order...

...to identify social misfits even though they have no criminal record."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126212396

Once again, 'gun control' is still mostly about control...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

580. "Ban them all."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172204561#post2

Good plan; how's that working out?

[yagotme]

581. I thought that there were no calls for an outright ban???

Wha' happen'?????????

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

582. IDK, you'd have to ask the author.

[friendly_iconoclast]

583. "I do NOT recommend buying any guns. I recommend BANNING them"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029517609#post63

If only federal law enforcement personnel were the only ones authorized guns, then we would have a far safer country. Just look at Australia when they banned guns. I personally would like to see a minimum 20 year sentence for owning a gun. People say that confiscating the guns would be difficult, but if we put as much effort in arresting resistant gun owners as we do in arresting and profiling black motorists and pedestrians, we could have every gun confiscated within a couple of years. Once that happens, no more problems.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

584. That shouldn't be so hard

Maybe the first change to the BoR in 225 years is all it would take but probably more like another Constitutional Convention. But then the last time a third of the population in the country felt disenfranchised was a little over 150 years ago. I read that they settled the whole thing with guns.

"Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilised by education: they grow there, firm as weeds among stones." - Charlotte Bronte

Prejudice is not limited to the factors of race, religion and nationality.

[yagotme]

585. Probably end up more like having "speakeasy's" for guns...

You know, private, soundproofed ranges where you have to know a guy that knows a guy to get in. Banning a "thing" worked out so well back then, you know...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

586. Pssst, hey.

You in the O.D. coat; I got what you need. A 20 round mag loaded with .223, vintage in mint condition. First mag is free, you just pay for the ammo. You let me know when you need more. I also go 9mm and .45 but only for friends of your friend so don't spread the word. Supplies are limited. I might know a guy who might be able to find more. For a fee, I could hook you up. Anything goes pear-shaped, I don't know you, you don't know me.

[yagotme]

587. Yeah, hook me up!!!!!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

588. "Apparently gun care is more important than people care to gun lovers."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172205025#post6

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

589. "What a great idea-give everyone AR-15s and only dozens will die!"

Where is that head-scratching smiley?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

590. "How nice that BATFE still has this sort of information available...

...After all the decades of pro-gun militants' efforts to render the agency inoperative, that's encouraging."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

591. "I'll let that comprehensive study speak for itself"

Another in the hit parade from frequent posting and beloved member who also gave us:
"Save kids. Ban handguns."

--and--

"...ban them all. All semi autos."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

592. This is in Holland folks...not bound by the narrow-minded thinking of USA gun worshippers.

IRT: "The cabinet wants to register the race or ethnicity, religious and political preferences of everyone who wants a licence to own a gun..."

[Alea]

593. I think you posted in the wrong thread

But it's your thread so it's ok

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

594. I decided it was worth displaying how the winds of anti-rights thinking have changed...

...or not.

Still raining at your end?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

595. Just wish you'd keep all the Republican opinions to yourself...

...but credit where credit is due I guess.

And we're back.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

596. And this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172206186#post126
Along with all the related similar BS.

[Alea]

597. That was the most of perfect of perfect bait and troll threads ever

After I got singled out and pounced on by the OP for committing the dastardly act of "backing up" another member, I went to the beginning to see where the thread turned. I thought maybe maybe a 2a supporter might have been rude and got the pot stirring. Surprisingly it was fine up to post 19, where OP's true intentions came to pass with a full on broadside attack on Pahu Ekapi, post 14.

Then things were semi ok with maybe a little snark, but ok overall, up to Post 77. Poor Kali, 45k+ poster made the monumental mistake of posting before she had heard about the synagogue shooting. Another full on broadside from OP. In a way I don't even see how is allowed here anywhere on the site.

Then poor dumb me LOL. I had been out of the thread since post 24 so when I came back later in the thread I didn't read it all and didn't see the Kali flogging, or I probably would have never posted in it again. After my post #121 an my ensuing flogging, I deleted 5 replies to him(op), and the series of post left looked like the rantings of a mad man, or a third grader.

It was an intentional troll thread presented as a "Lets have a good conversation" thread. I understand not stifling opinions from either side of the debate, but I thought troll threads were against the tos. I noticed several people have deleted their comments once they realized what the thread was. 3 days later I still can't wash the smell off.

Ya know, we're Democrats, vote for Democrats that will one day get the assault weapons ban, 20-30 percent of the party, and will comply with whatever laws our congress critters pass. Were not the enemy, yet we get talked to by the controllers no differently than they talk about repubs on threads in GD.

You're a great writer discntnt. If I had you wisdom I might have been able to see what was coming LOL

Take care

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

598. Guns are a divisive issue for almost everyone

I started this thread as sort of an outlet for my frustrations. It's good to vent sometimes.

I've always considered both Pahu Ekapi and Kali as smart and informed folks who are generally pleasant and incisive.

ARs get a bad rap for simply being popular. A few years ago the MA Attorney General

Speaking of popular, last I checked almost 1 person in 3 in the US admits to owning a gun. Probably a majority of those folks are pro-gun to some degree. I just don't think it's sensible to do the best we can as a party to alienate maybe 20-25% of the voters. When I bring that up, all I get is excuses along with some opinions of some analysis of some exit poll, lots of excuses about why gun issues have nothing to do with lost elections.

I don't see another federal AWB. Not that an AWB would be meaningful. There was a ban in place during 1999 when the Columbine shooting occurred. For that matter, one of the weapons used in that shooting was illegally transferred to the shooters by the son of a prominent gun-control husband and wife.

Thanks for the compliment but if I was as useful as I had hoped, there wouldn't be so many broad brushes painting pictures of gun owners.

I do take anything that any politician has to say about guns with several tons of salt.
I view this quote from the movie Lord of War as a bit instructive: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."
That and this from the last frames of the movie: "While private gunrunners continue to thrive, the world's biggest arms suppliers are the U.S., U.K., Russia, France, and China. They are also the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council."

Last I read the UK is currently behind Germany but you get the idea. You take care also.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

599. "If you buy guns, stop. If you buy ammo, stop. If you belong to the NRA, quit."

If you think a new AWB is a good idea, learn.

[Lucid Dreamer]

600. "...if it saves just one life."

Justifies any gun control. Right?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

601. "...get our gun junkies off their drug of choice..."

[sarisataka]

602. Mentally unstable

Plus any person who would even think about owning a firearm should be deemed mentally unstable to begin with. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12058670

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

603. Why is it so hard for some folks...

...think outside the box and beyond that so easy to even deny the box exists?

[Alea]

604. That was one of the most mentally unstable post I've ever seen lol

Last edited Wed May 1, 2019, 02:11 PM - Edit history (1)

With the TOS of this site, I don't see how someone gets away with calling 30 percent of the party/members of DU mentally unstable. I guess it's ok if it fits the "agenda". (edit: I guess he didn't get away with it after all)

I also like the "we need to change the laws to fit our agenda" phrase

Someone followed up with a remark about Kamala Harris owning a gun. I notice the poster making the "mentally unstable" claim never responded back to that.

Wonder how she justifies lying about drug use on that pesky drug question on the 4473 since she recently admitted to smoking mj? Maybe she did a face to face, or straw purchase. Rules for thee but not for me

And then many times we hear "no one on DU has ever said all guns should be banned", when it is actually a pretty common theme once a gun thread starts in general discussion.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

605. "The best way...

Last edited Thu May 2, 2019, 01:41 PM - Edit history (1)

...to stop a bad guy with a gun is 75.4 million millennials with a vote."

How does one bring a vote to gun fight?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212057460

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

606. "I guess he was selling them illegally which was probably no different than what gun shows do."

Obviously, written by a regular attender.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142314090#post4

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

607. Ammosexuality is rampant in the US, especially "down there".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142316808#post14

[friendly_iconoclast]

608. (T)he NRA...is a terrorist organization that advocates for getting our kids killed at schools

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172207963#post1

The disinterested reader will note that, when asked for evidence, the poster disappeared from the thread...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

609. Maybe I'm of too long of a memory but...

...I'm used to the disappearing especially from folks named "share...".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

610. "Yep, guns don't kill people, holidays do."

Just in from the whine cellar.

[Alea]

611. There Group Host posted that and if I posted the same thing he would ban me instantly

97 banned members lol, who did nothing but make a logical reply in a group absent of logic. Like the whole point of the group is pretending to be activist while the true goal is to be able to ban people and sit back and say "LOL I banned that MF'er, I showed them!" No conversation, no activism, just a post and a few like minded replies by one or two regulars, basically bait, and some poor soul that doesn't know what the group is really about offers logic and BOOM. Banned.

I know kris don't like banning people but all the host from that group should be banned from this group for the reason stated above. They have nothing to say here anyway. Every post here by them is just a troll post.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

612. Well, I might be the only one they banned twice

I really can't remember why they banned me either time nor why they let me back in but, hey, far be it from me to bake pies in someone else's oven. I'm not saying I understand; just recognizing I don't need to.

I remember you're in college or grad school but I don't remember whether you're teaching or learning. Hopefully both. I never learned anything quite so well as when I tried to teach it to someone else. If you are on the paying side rather than the getting paid side, do your best to avoid those damn loans. My college now charges more for 1 year than I paid for my first house.

Have nice night.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

613. "an unorganized militia is NOT well regulated...

...It could not possibly be what madison intended in 1791.."



I've been reading the 2A and I can't seem to find references to include the organized militia nor to exclude the unorganized militia. I can only infer that the militia is the militia.

[friendly_iconoclast]

615. IOW: "No *true* militia is unregulated"....

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

614. "Then there's all the parts/accessories/nomenclature hunting-and-gathering...

...that’s also a hook for fanatics. "
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212169240#post7

There's a new one.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

616. Why the fuck do you need an AR-15 to fish? That is a bullshit law and those men have tiny penises.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212239458#post2

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

617. Simply ban "movie merchandise" guns like AR-15s and AK-47s at the federal level.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212330146#post5


Definition of naive
1 : marked by unaffected simplicity : ARTLESS, INGENUOUS
2a : deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment
b : not previously subjected to experimentation or a particular experimental situation
also : not having previously used a particular drug (such as marijuana)
c : not having been exposed previously to an antigen
3a : SELF-TAUGHT, PRIMITIVE
b : produced by or as if by a self-taught artist

[sarisataka]

618. A new old idea to implement gun control

But real public safety cannot, in my opinion, be achieved without confiscation. Confiscation. That is a big step. Very big. Unfortunately, Confiscation cannot be feasible without the US military being the lead federal agency involved. And folks, before the US military can be relied upon to complete this mission, We the People are going to have to make sure that our government leaders are preparing the US military to complete this mission. A big part of this preparation of the military is to make sure that the only military leaders that are promoted to General and Admiral are those leaders who are interviewed and explicitly state that they will obey a future POTUS's orders to complete this mission. If they are not willing to make his declaration, for whatever reason, they should not be promoted to General Officer.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212352393#post4

I recall a past regime that required the military to swear an Oath to the Leader and placed the military above civilians. It didn't end well

[friendly_iconoclast]

619. "Pick up everything more than single shot...Jail any resistance."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142353735#post2

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

620. "Owning a lot of guns makes you an insecure loser, not special in any way."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208602

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

621. "...let's just ban ALL semiautomatics. Then we don't need a definition at all."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208604#post1

[sarisataka]

622. Vigilantes are the solution

I would also offer private citizens a bounty for taking illegal gunz from so-called "law abiding gun owners" -- who obviously aren't law abiding because they are proclaiming they won't obey the law -- but, that probably won't pass. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212431456#post25

[friendly_iconoclast]

623. That particular poster has advocated vigilanteeism for years:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#471995

Further, every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public -- Maybe even hold them until police arrive. You just never know when the gunner is a criminal, has bad intentions, or just walked off their compound with a plan to harm innocent people.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026676609#post37

A policeman, or a bystander, seeing someone with a gun walking down the street has the right to
subdue them to determine if they are "legal."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

624. I've long believed that every single Repuke in the country is a terrorist....

... and should be prosecuted accordingly.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142363460#post33

Not that I think Republicans should all be viewed like Mother Teresa but, way to degrade the real meaning of "terrorist".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

625. Guns are designed specifically to kill

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126211339

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

626. "AR-15, The weapon of choice for killing schoolchildren."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172209000#post6

[friendly_iconoclast]

627. "Banning assault weapons is a good start, though obviously not an end in itself"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208781#post15

[friendly_iconoclast]

628. "Michael Bellisiles book 'Arming America' is a fine history"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172101280#post74

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

629. I see that you're still waiting for...

...a reply to #93: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172101280#post93



Yup, mighty fine.

Regarding Arming America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America
In two scholarly articles, law professor James Lindgren of Northwestern University noted that in Arming America, Bellesiles had:
*purported to count guns in about a hundred wills from 17th- and 18th-century Providence, Rhode Island, but these did not exist *because the decedents had died intestate (i.e., without wills);
*purported to count nineteenth-century San Francisco County probate inventories, but these had been destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire;
*reported a national mean for gun ownership in 18th-century probate inventories that was mathematically impossible;
*misreported the condition of guns described in probate records in a way that accommodated his thesis, as for instance, claiming that in Providence records most guns were listed as old or broken when fewer than 10% were so listed;
*miscited the counts of guns in nineteenth-century Massachusetts censuses and militia reports,
*had more than a 60% error rate in finding guns listed as part of estates in Vermont records; and
*had a 100% error rate in the cited gun-related homicide cases of seventeenth-century Plymouth, Massachusetts.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

630. "Children are murd(er)ed in schools because...

...of a Constitutional Amendment that makes it easy to murder children in schools." https://www.democraticunderground.com/126213486

I'm pretty sure that's what the Founder's had in mind.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

631. "Just shove it down your pants and pretend it's a codpiece."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142437237#post25

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

632. "The Ammosexual Agenda"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142436358#post6

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

633. "Target shooting is just training to kill..."

[friendly_iconoclast]

634. "Don't take OUR guns. Just "theirs". ;-)"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214514465#post34

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

635. Just when you think that it can't get any.....

it does.

[friendly_iconoclast]

636. That OP strikes me as having more than a passing resemblance to:

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1979-05384-001

Maybe it's just suspicious old me. Or not...

[friendly_iconoclast]

637. "You're on the wrong side of the culture war"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168909#post10

A little late in acknowledging that the culture war exists, but there it is...

[friendly_iconoclast]

638. A fresh one: "2008 Heller and 2011 McD misinterpretations of the 2ndA are unconstitutional...

...since both are subversions of the amendments original intent."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172209571#post6

Well, *that* certainly put those high and mighty 'Justices' and their so-called 'Chief Justice' in their place!

[friendly_iconoclast]

639. "We can expect ignorant white wingers to breach DU's protection thru the Gungeon."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126213607#post1

[friendly_iconoclast]

640. "(F)uck it, take 'em all and round up the people that don't comply."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126213599#post4

I'm beginning to swing to the only way to prevent 40-50 deaths a year is to just say 'fuck it, take 'em all and round up the people that don't comply'.

That's what happens when one side refuses to compromise on legal, constitutional changes to the law. The push the other side to equally outrageous solutions.

[friendly_iconoclast]

641. "Every gun lover is a potential terrorist, a potential suicide, an accident waiting to happen."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027921679#post44

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

642. An oldie but a goodie

Every time you turn on the stove to fry an egg, it's a potential grease fire.
Every time you go for a drive a brake line can fail.
Every time you build a dog house a meteorite may crush it.
Every time you....


Every politician is a potential...
...well the list of problematic politicians from around the world and over history is a bit dramatic but dolt45 is a case in point. Well, maybe not the ones from the good party but those others...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

643. The only "well regulated militia" is the National Guard. Period.

Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm: "The Second Amendment was meant to accomplish two distinct goals…First, it was meant to guarantee the individual’s right to have arms for self-defense and self-preservation. These privately owned arms were meant to serve a larger purpose as well…and it is the coupling of these two objectives that has caused the most confusion. The customary American militia necessitated an armed public…the militia (being)…the body of the people. The argument that today’s National Guardsmen, members of a select militia, would constitute the only persons entitled to keep and bear arms has no historical foundation."

[sarisataka]

644. I Should Be Able To Legally Buy A Nuclear Bomb If Anyone Can Buy An AR-15

I Should Be Able To Legally Buy A Nuclear Bomb If Anyone Can Buy An AR-15

They are both made for the same reason.

Killing lots of people.

What's the difference

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215265201

No difference at all, perfectly rational comparison

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

645. I actually prefer it phrased as...

...#23 from the X_Digger list:
"Nuclear weapons are "arms". Every 6 year old should have some."

[Decoy of Fenris]

646. As silly as that thread is, I'm glad it happened. I learned about the Nuclear Boy Scout.

Absolutely fascinating, and incredibly tragic, story behind a kid who (almost) built a backyard nuke reactor out of spare parts, bits and bobs, and with a bit of 'creative writing' to get the hard-to-find nuke materials.

Failing all else, an interesting bit of history worth learning came from that thread, so it's not a complete loss.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

647. Well meet another smart young guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Wilson
Taylor Ramon Wilson (born May 7, 1994) is an American nuclear physics enthusiast and science advocate. In 2008, at the age of 14, he produced nuclear fusion using a fusor and at the time was the youngest person ever to do so.

[Dial H For Hero]

648. When 3 out of 34 posters on a thread are against gun control, it's been "gunswarmed".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215264140#post37

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

649. Well...

"Swarm" - a large or dense group of insects, especially flying ones

"Gunswarm" - [no web results]

Observation: Regarding the RKBA topic, some extraordinarily pro regulation, restriction and ban minded folks often misuse or invent terminology. Discussion, while sometimes enlightening and usually amusing, is generally unproductive.

[Dial H For Hero]

650. I quite agree. I can't recall the last time I saw such a discussion change anyone's mind.

Discussion, while sometimes enlightening and usually amusing, is generally unproductive.

That's funny....just yesterday someone asked me why I was posting on this subject if I didn't ultimately care about the opinion of those with whom I was disagreeing, and I said essentially "because it amuses me".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

651. In my experience...

...harshly phrased arguments do nothing other than anger those on both sides. However, I have heard that surgical residents sometimes "learn" new procedures via the "watch one, do one, teach one" method. Having taught post secondary science and technical courses, I can attest to learning the most about something by teaching it to someone else. So part of why I engage in discussion with those from both sides is to learn something, entertainment is a free bonus.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

652. from GD: "But Whites do get shot. In fact, I'd like to see more armed rubes shot."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215343147#post24

[sarisataka]

653. We are laughing at the victim

A robbery victim has his own gun, gets shot in exchange with his attacker. Hilarious to some.

Here you go DU, one of those good guy with a gun stories. Sarcasm warning.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15527572

Tell me again how it is about the victims of gun violence...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

654. All PGR's owners should be licensed and registered IMHO. PGRs are designed for mass kill not defense

Well, it's been quite some time since the last entry.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216208052#post97

What's a PGR? Anyone?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

655. The latest from the outlandish thoughts think tank.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216761997#post1
ban men from getting guns

[sarisataka]

656. I have a sneaking suspicion

The imagined cause of death is gun shot wound.

I'm sorry, but yes, yes I do want to grab your guns

From your cold dead hands.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216817285#post19

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

657. Where's my irony smiley?

[sarisataka]

658. Eliminate 2 Amendments for the price of 1

Permit police to search people, vehicles, and homes for guns without having a warrant

or probable cause.

The common sense proposals you put forth need to be enforceable, especially the one stating that all private guns need to be stored in armories. Otherwise, people will just refuse to comply.

Anyone found to be in possession of one gets a mandatory 10 years in prison, no exceptions.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216832160#post4

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

659. Scratching my head

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

660. If the 2nd Amendment won't let us block the sale of assault rifles...

...(according to some), then let's make them less "macho" to own. I suggest we push for legislation requiring gun makers to make their AR-styled rifles come in only one color: HOT PINK!

[sarisataka]

661. "A bullet that close should have taken his head off"

apparently close is good enough

(just a little thread resurrection)

[yagotme]

662. "Assault weapons are the same as assault rifles'" nt

ETA: Equal signs don't take in titles, it seems.