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DoUListenWhenUHear

(31 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:48 PM Sep 2022

Attacking the machismo of gun ownership

I was reading an article recently about how toy gun makers are required by law to use bright colors on their toy guns in order to be able to sell them in the US. We all remember the tragic Tamir Rice story and why such laws are important. One toy maker was quoted as saying that even though their toy is shaped and detailed so it looks exactly like the real gun it is modeled after, requiring them to cast it in brightly colored plastic -- instead of being black or silver -- has caused their sales to drop dramatically. It seems little kids do not like the brightly colored models because they do not look "tough" like the darker models do.

We know that for many mass shooters, the guns they chose to murder innocents was a source of machismo for them. Owning AR-styled weapons made them feel "manly" and "tough" because the guns looked "badass". Maybe it isn't toy guns that we should be forcing to get a makeover.

If the 2nd Amendment won't let us block the sale of assault rifles (according to some), then let's make them less "macho" to own. I suggest we push for legislation requiring gun makers to make their AR-styled rifles come in only one color: HOT PINK! This would be done out of concern for safety, and would not restrict gun owners from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights in ANY way. If you want to buy a HOT PINK AR15 and take it to the range, we support your right to do so! We know that this won't hinder hunters from being able to hunt since they are wearing brightly colored gear already!

Or course, we will have to have strict financial penalties and mandatory prison time for any who attempt to alter the color of their firearm, but I am guessing that won't be a problem as those type of laws already exist for other items that we require to be a certain color to serve as a warning for others.

Do you think mass shooters are secure enough in their masculinity to commit acts of violence using HOT PINK guns? We may not be able to get the guns off the street, but we can do something to make it so no one on the streets wants one!

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Attacking the machismo of gun ownership (Original Post) DoUListenWhenUHear Sep 2022 OP
Lol TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #1
They are also popular with adult women. ManiacJoe Sep 2022 #7
Interesting idea. I have seen orange starter pistols unblock Sep 2022 #2
Guns are substitute penises for males, so yes making guns feminine would be repugnant to them. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #3
Gun manfacturers already market pink handguns doc03 Sep 2022 #4
Too late melm00se Sep 2022 #5
Sure, its fine if you have a choice in the matter... DoUListenWhenUHear Sep 2022 #6
I've been trying for the week plus to unravel... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2022 #8

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
7. They are also popular with adult women.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 01:12 AM
Sep 2022

In many of the informal matches, lots of men get really upset when women beat them using pink ARs.

unblock

(54,218 posts)
2. Interesting idea. I have seen orange starter pistols
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:56 PM
Sep 2022

Pink, yeah, that might hurt sales.

Until Hollywood finds a way to make even that cool and macho....

Irish_Dem

(59,154 posts)
3. Guns are substitute penises for males, so yes making guns feminine would be repugnant to them.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:08 PM
Sep 2022

Good idea.

6. Sure, its fine if you have a choice in the matter...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:11 PM
Sep 2022

But mandatory hot pink is only gonna please a small handful of buyers. I don't think many members of the Future School Shooters of America clubs will be happy about this!

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,595 posts)
8. I've been trying for the week plus to unravel...
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:23 AM
Sep 2022

...the mix of misconceptions and miss guided solutions in this OP. Here's what I have.

Of course it's a good idea to have toy weapons easily distinguishable from the real thing. I remember at least two cases of the police killing a young male because they held a gun that looked real but wasn't.
Let's start here:

One toy maker was quoted as saying that even though their toy is shaped and detailed so it looks exactly like the real gun it is modeled after, requiring them to cast it in brightly colored plastic -- instead of being black or silver -- has caused their sales to drop dramatically. It seems little kids do not like the brightly colored models because they do not look "tough" like the darker models do.
This first paragraph establishes some major misconceptions. In reality, 15 CFR 272 had been around for 26 years before Tamir Rice was killed by police. The author of this OP writes that a toy maker has claimed that sales have dropped and that this can be attributed to laws like the federal requirement I quoted from 1988.

I have several issues here. Laws like 15 CFR 272 were well intentioned with the goal of decreasing the incidence of police killing young folks for playing with toys. My conclusion of what's happened over the last three decades is that the heinous killings of young folks by law enforcement has less to do with the color of the toy and more to do with the color of young person. At best maybe this law does something to help white kids.

I remember parents reacting to violence and primarily guns but also various toy weapons since the '60s and not allowing their children to have them at all. I think the colorization has not much to do with the drop in sales weapon toys.

Also, the extrapolation that school shooters (who average about 16) have the same (ill founded) mindset as the six year olds who no longer spend their whole paychecks on pink and orange toy guns.

Next, I consider:
We know that for many mass shooters, the guns they chose to murder innocents was a source of machismo for them. Owning AR-styled weapons made them feel "manly" and "tough" because the guns looked "badass".
How exactly do "we know" this? I infer that there are few factors at work here. I suggest that the fact AR type rifles are about the most popular rifles sold today has a bit to do with this. Add to this that many news, movie, video game and TV show portrayals of "effective" guns for killing are AR and military styled rifles. Maybe lots of these shooters are just copying what they say in the news about other killers.

I've decided that much of what is claimed and concluded by the restriction set in this thread is mostly just a lot of feelings.
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