Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumGun show report: A seller's market.
Went to a small gun show over the weekend. If you want an $800 SKS, a bottom of the line AR-15 for $900, a bunch of M1 Carbines for $1200 to $2000 each, or a Norinco AK-47 with a thumbhole stock for $2500, this was the show for you! All the 9mm or .45 ACP FMJ you could ask for at $50 to $70 a box. 5.56x45 starts at a buck a round, green tip SS109 $1.50 to $2 a round. 7.62x39 also $1 a round.
One guy did have a bunch of interesting early 20th Century pistols, but none of them had price tags. After I asked out of curiosity how much he wanted for the Spanish Jo Lo Ar (a weird 9mm Largo handgun whose slide can be retracted using only one hand), I found out why. In nice shape it's a $900-ish gun. His was beat up, and he wanted $1200.
Magazines weren't too overpriced, oddly enough, so I picked up a Magpul 60 round drum for my AR. AR drums are notoriously unreliable, but from everything I've seen Magpul is the exception.
One bright spot: At a previous show a guy had an AMT Automag IV .45 Magnum (not a typo, it's an obscure caliber) with a price tag of $1,000 on it. The Blue Book says it's only worth $600-ish in nice shape, but the last few that sold on Gunbroker all went for $1500 to $2000, so I took a chance and bought it. A short time later, I decided to see what I could get for it, and had an auction house list it. The auction just ended, and it sold for $2500.
msongs
(70,210 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)canuckledragger
(1,944 posts)That's their primary purpose. no amount of weasel words can change that.
Straw Man
(6,778 posts)I think you'd better check on your definition of "designed." This gun was designed to break little clay disks as they fly through the air. It's long, it's heavy, and it only holds one round -- and not a magnum round at that. It's slow to reload. If I told the designer that I wanted something to kill with and was presented with this, I would fire that designer.
sanatanadharma
(4,074 posts)...to improve skill with a killing machine.
Or is the pictured gun incapable of killing?
Straw Man
(6,778 posts)That's how trap and skeet originated. I have no ethical problem with that. Do you?
Trap and skeet guns aren't for practice killing humans. Humans don't fly.
sarisataka
(21,040 posts)"Guns are dangerous items capable of killing. No one should be allowed to own a gun without training and demonstration of proficiency. "
"Training and target practice is just learning how to commit murder with a killing machine. Anyone who does that should not be allowed to own a gun."
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)By your interlocutor's reasoning, many (if not most) of those participating
should have been turned into a bunch of Raymond Shaws by now.
All that practicing, y' know...
ref: The Manchurian Candidate
None of my firearms have killed anyone since I have owned them (many are WW1/WW2 surplus). I read them the riot act when they arrive at my home. Some have resided here for almost 40 years. Long time for a "killing machine" to go without killing.
:}
EX500rider
(11,491 posts)My steak knives and car are also not "incapable of killing" Does not mean they were designed for that.
This rifle was designed for Olympic target shooting, not to kill people for example:
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I'm aware that I might be the victim of a violent crime and that I may need to employ deadly force to protect myself and/or my family.
And since I'm fat, out-of-shape, and don't have martial arts skills, I'm really not interested in going at somebody either with my hands or a melee weapon.
Although I guess, technically, round is a shape.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)In the admittedly unlikely event that I need to defend my life, I'm in exactly the same boat. At close to six decades old and in poor physical condition, I wouldn't stand a chance if attacked by a young man(or group of men) bent on doing me harm unless I have a firearm...at which ppoint I do have a chance.
Presuming I do find myself in such a situation, I see no reason to handicap myself by limiting myself to a "sporting" gun. Hence, while at home:
When not at home:
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Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,961 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)I presume you overlooked tha latter. For that matter, the use of firearms for self defense is explicitlly mentioned in this group's Statement of Purpose.
rgbecker
(4,877 posts)How do you get the item to the buyer and do you check his background?
What auction site do you use?
I'm asking because I have a bunch of old guns I want to get rid of before someone gets hurt. Shotgun, 22 etc.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)The auction either lets the buyer pick it up if he's a local, or mails it to a dealer in his area. In either case, a federal background check is conducted.
The site is Brand Used Works. Odd name, but they're excellent. They make periodic road trips and will make arrangements to pick ujp firearms you wish to consign (if there are enough people in your area who have contacted them). An excellent deal for the seller, they only charge 10% of whatever the gun sells for, and they do all the work.
It would be an good way to dispose of firearms you have no use for.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)EX500rider
(11,491 posts)...got my Mosin Nagant's and Turkish Mauser for around $99 awhile back and only $150 for my Finnish M-39 and under $200 for my Swiss SchmidtRubin K-31 and under $150 for my Cz-52 Czechoslovak pistol and all are in nice shape and goin UP in price.
The M-39 will probably end up being the best investment.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)EX500rider
(11,491 posts)I am no marksman but got a 3 inch grouping at 100y with open sights and vintage ammo with it. It's a 1943 SAKO.
Had my C&R license back in 2005 and bought a bunch of antique rifles for a fun investment.