redneckrevolt.org

[Paladin]

Worth your attention, DU gun enthusiasts: Redneck Revolt is an openly armed organization, espousing the defense of political viewpoints that are the polar opposites of the NRA's: anti-white supremacy, anti-fascism, pro-liberal. Chapters have been established all over the country. This bears looking into, if you are in fact an armed Democrat.

[snpsmom]

1. They seem to be calling for armed insurrection

I was pretty much with them until I got to the no nation state stuff. That's nice and all, but other nations will still exist, even if this organization gets their way. What will they do then?

[gejohnston]

3. basically, they are anarchists.

[gejohnston]

2. Are they liberal or far left wing,

Which is very illiberal? Left wing does not always mean liberal, see Antifa and any random socialist.
In all fairness, when is the NRA white supremacist? Why are there more black people, which are two, on the NRA board than on HuffPo's editorial staff, who are all white women? Not that I'm a member or a fan, but I detest calling everyone "racist" without evidence. Ted Nugent does not mean everyone else.

As the other poster mentioned, they sound like anarchists. Not a fan.

[Paladin]

4. I kind of figured this group wouldn't come off as well as the NRA, here.

Just confirms a whole lot of ugly suspicions I've had about you people, for many years. Not that much in the way of confirmation was needed.

[RKP5637]

5. A good counterbalance IMO to Trump, Inc.!

[gejohnston]

6. Do you pay more attention to the labels or the substance?

They are anarchists, left wing libertarians, which are as delusional as their right wing counterparts.
All I did was simply point out the race baiting is bullshit. I also detest left wing anti white racists as much as I do the likes of Richard Spencer and David Duke. I didn't say I was a fan of either one. Besides, I have to check these guys out more than just what is on their website. One question is are they allies of Antifa and BAMN or not.
Let me ask you this, are you a progressive or a liberal? There was a time when the two weren't mutually exclusive, but it is today. Personally, I'm a liberal.

[Paladin]

7. I tell you what I pay attention to:

I pay attention to all the times you Gun Enthusiasts have hollered about the Second Amendment not being about hunting, but being about the right of the public to have armed protection against a government that has overstepped its reasonable bounds and is devolving into rank authoritarianism. That's exactly the situation we have now---and you people can't step away from it fast enough. THAT'S what I'm paying attention to.

[gejohnston]

8. rank authoritarianism isn't

our guy/gal loses. Rank authoritarianism is limiting the BoR like limits on speech, due process, warrantless searches etc. It is also taking dictatorial powers.
Calling for "hate speech laws", which is simply speech you don't like, is authoritarian. So is "gun violence protection orders" that violate the fifth amendment's due process and takings clauses. Am I saying some anti gunners are authoritarian? Well, yes. That also makes most of Europe, especially the autocrats at the EU commission, more authoritarian than we are. There, they limit speech, guns, and abortion much more than we do.

When Trump, or Pence, declare themselves "president for life" and starts putting people in concentration camps, I'll be concerned. In the meantime, I'll work for a proper replacement and defend liberal values against authoritarians on the right and the left. I'm old enough to remember POTUSes as bad or worse. Nixon and Wilson come to mind.

[Marengo]

22. What is your definition of "rank authoritarianism"?

[oneshooter]

11. "you people"

Sounds like you have a problem accepting others point of view. And as a result of this belittle them. Actually sounds racist.

[ileus]

14. "you people"

The 2A is a basic human right that applies to all races and political affiliations.

[sarisataka]

16. Just out of curiosity,

Did you have any ugly beliefs confirmed when our anti-gun enthusiasts were openly supporting Republicans during the general election?

Or do you hold some people to higher standards than others?

[Marengo]

25. What "ugly suspicions" would those be?

[Marengo]

36. Where did you run off to? Why did you run off? Why do I have that song from The Caine Mutiny...

Running through my mind? You know the one..."I've got those yellow stain blues..."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Thanks for the info

I'll be checking it out.

[Alea]

10. Tries to troll gungeon with socialist/communism far left website -

Doesn't work, gets butthurt

[pablo_marmol]

12. Accurate and concise. NT

[Paladin]

13. Yeah, I've been "trolling" my gun viewpoints at DU since 2001.

And there's definitely some "butthurt" on display on this thread....but it ain't mine.

[friendly_iconoclast]

19. On the contrary, I felt their assessment was *quite* accurate

For that matter, it's not the first time said butthurt has been on display- I'll leave it to
the disinterested observer to note just who posted the following:

https://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023469891#post48

"Way to fire, DU Gun Enthusiasts.

Whatever beneficial aspects of The Liberal Gun Club may have, have been nullified by your snarky-assed, agenda-heavy posts on this thread. Thanks for your reliable help."

[sarisataka]

15. They seem to have some radical views

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Buried in their beliefs. I'm not sure they are as liberal as libertarian. After reading about their viewpoints I think they would find common ground with Sovereign citizens before Democrats.

In my opinion the Liberal Gun Club is a better fit for gun-owning Democrats.

[aikoaiko]

17. I'm looking into them.

I'm a bit cautious, but I'm looking for a local chapter where I might meet some folks face-to-face.

[Paladin]

18. Always wise to exercise caution with gun-oriented organizations.

Regardless of their political stances.

[hack89]

20. So you support their notion of an individual right to bear arms?

Sounds like something a good Democrat can get behind.

I am not to keen on armed revolution though - they never end well. I believe in settling problems peacefully.

[Marengo]

21. Did you donate? Do you still own guns?

[Marengo]

23. Are you an armed Democrat? Have you donated and/or are active in his organization?

[Paladin]

24. I've learned from bitter experience not to answer personal questions from pro-gun activists.

You can draw your own conclusions about the organization, without any further information about me.

[Marengo]

26. Seems rather gutless to me, especially considering your fondness for veiled accusations.

In this aged thread you stated you do own firearms. Assuming you still are an "armed Democrat", what conclusions to you draw about this organization?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=518023&mesg_id=539778

[Paladin]

28. I don't respond well to people who accuse me of being "gutless."

And your willingness to dredge up posts from 2007 tells me all I need to know about you. Find somebody else to play with.

[hack89]

29. Passive aggression is gutless though

and you are the master of insulting passive aggression posts. You always run when pushed hard. Always.

[Marengo]

30. Gutlessness confirmed, but not unexpected.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. What does a refusal to acknowledge or discuss their own previous statements tell us about a person?

Especially when said person volunteered the following just eight months ago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=11803

"And I'm not going to tell you to run out and buy a gun. But I'm happier now than ever that I have a few, given how bad things are getting. Advocating gun control is not contrary to reasonable self-defense measures---no matter what the pro-gunners tell you."

Nice strawman argument there- and BTW,
if you wish to pontificate without the annoyance of unwelcome feedback, may I suggest starting your own website?

This is a discussion board with multiple viewpoints on offer, and this particular part of it is definitely *not*
the 'gun control amen chorus' group.

[hack89]

27. You really suck at trolling

Aren't you guys tired yet of constantly getting your asses handed to you?

[jmg257]

31. Yeah - I'm out...

Police, prisons, courts, artificial borders, and other systems of social control only exist to serve the rich. The nation-state project came into existence to protect the propertied classes and keep us working people poor and without power
...

It is now time to turn our guns on our real enemies.
WE BELIEVE IN THE NEED FOR REVOLUTION

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. I hear you- that mindset tends to lead either to the Weathermen or the Reign of Terror

Or functional equivalents thereof...

[jmg257]

34. Yep - since when did "armed Democrat" become "armed anarchist who wants to use their guns

to kill their proclaimed enemies and overthrow all governments".

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. Never: this is sub-James O'Keefe level trolling...

[gejohnston]

37. It seems that a UK You Tuber found it,

&t=0s

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. Much of the YouTube commentary is, not surprisingly, vile- but some is dead on:

"Antifa cosplaying as rednecks"

"What a hilariously inept attempt at co-opting your political opponent's identity."

"Wait a sec, at 7:09 when that guy is speaking for Red Neck revolt. I'm supposed to believe he's a redneck? With his neck beard and tribal earrings? Dude thats a hipster LARPing! A ball cap, plaid shirt and bandanna does not a redneck make."

"It looks like they got their "working class" clothes, flannel shirts and boots at Urban Outfitters."

"This is what happens when a marketing major and a humanities major get together. I don't think this is a grass roots white working class movement. I think it is someone trying to sell modern Marxism to white working class people."

Personally, they strike me as a bunch of mostly bourgeous phonies 'trying to sell Marxism to white working class people'.
As another commenter noted, the skinny jeans are a dead giveaway...

[jmg257]

38. Do you buy into this shit? You are all for militant resistance, anarchy & armed revolution??

You'd be for everyone turning their guns on the "real enemies" (apparently "the rich" ).


One thing to enjoy having right to own guns, another to take advantage of that freedom so you can promote armed revolution and call for killing whomever you declare are the enemies.

Hoo rah!

[Paladin]

39. Yeah, well.....

I'll let you get back to using your guns according to what Wayne LaPierre and Ted Nugent say. God knows, they'll give you plenty of advice on who "the enemies" are.....

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. Implying that those who disagree with you are Friends of Wayne (and Ted)?

That sounds like "unreasoning, deep-seated paranoia" to me:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027883808#post5

Beware of becoming what you hate...

[jmg257]

42. Well - that's great. I don't see anyone here posting positive notions about Wayne or Ted,

or otherwise promoting their BS.

But armed revolution? HOO RAH!!
What good are guns if you can't kill SOMEone with them, huh?


Thanks for keeping us informed!

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. That one has long promoted a Manichaean view of gun owners- you're either an 'enlightened' one...

...like he is and agree with him, or you're a right-winger, period:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=11803

"the pro-gunners have been in the right-wing corner, all this time."

Apparently, it's simply unpossible to disagree with him and not be a Friend Of Wayne And Ted

[jmg257]

45. Some people must be just dying to really use their guns - for SOMEthing they can somehow justify.

Wonder just how 'rich' one has to be to be declared an enemy, and so worthy of being killed?

Huh - what happens if you are white working class AND have some money? Is such "luxury" allowed??!


Communists and anarchists unite!! (Weapons are cool.)

[Paladin]

44. I figured a left-leaning gun group would be of interest to this group.

A nice change of pace, for all you gun enthusiasts who repeatedly claim to be Good Democrats. But I'm not one bit surprised by the hostile reception from most of you.

[jmg257]

46. So again, you buy into all this armed revolution shit. You looking forward to killing 'the rich'?

Why killing people and overthrowing the govt means you're a Good Democrat is WAAY beyond me.

Your notion of what makes a "good Democrat" seems a bit...off (psst - it ain't murdering people YOU feel are somehow 'oppressing' you because they are better off)


I'm actually surprised by that attitude here.

[Paladin]

47. I'm not going to bother trying to correct all of your erroneous thoughts and accusations.

And for the life of me, I don't see how I can be involved in "this armed revolution shit" you keep talking about: I don't own a single assault rifle, there aren't any stacks of 30-round magazines lying around my residence, I am not in possession of any semi-auto pistols, no silencers anywhere---you know, the sort of hardware that you peace-loving gun enthusiasts chatter about endlessly in this group, when you're not dispensing opinions on what the true purpose of the Second Amendment really is (helpful hint: it ain't deer hunting).

(Another helpful hint, just for you: there is a butt-load of irony and sarcasm in the paragraph above. You're welcome.)

[jmg257]

49. Yes, and I am sure all life is precious to you, too!

I get the sarcasm about what you own - its cool! One gunny to another

No need to explain why you posted the link and are promoting the "left-leaning gun group".
( )

Just very surprising is all.
And surprising why you don't understand why many here are hostile to their 'kill em all!' notions of murder, mayhem and revolution.

"Put the red back in redneck!! "
Pow pow!

[friendly_iconoclast]

54. The David Clarke/"Uncle Ruckus"-style "antigun gun owner" is a familiar trope at DU

It's an old schtick that gets trotted out about once a year or so:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x361725#367600

MGAFYGAE -- "MY guns are fine, YOUR guns are evil."

Black powder guns, revolvers, traditionally stocked shotguns, deer rifles, even 1911's- "But I {or Dad, or Granddad, or Uncle Duke} had / have one of those, so they're perfectly fine. The rest of your guns? Ban 'em."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x361725#368402

That's a good one. A variant is the "Uncle Ruckus"

Claiming to be a gun owner and/or very familiar with guns, and yet continually putting down other gun owners

For those unfamiliar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Ruckus

Those types take great pains to describein detail how their gun collection only uses pre-1905 technology.
When they show up, a question always occurs to me:

https://sync.democraticunderground.com/1172193744#post37

Your Uncle Ruckus-isms aside, why should *you* be trusted with guns, and others not?

I've yet to see a explicit rationale from a 'royalist' gun control advocate as to
why *their* gun ownership is more acceptable than another persons, or why their
views on the matter should be encoded into law.

They act as if their firearms don't fire the same potentially lethal rounds that every other firearm
ever invented does...

[sarisataka]

48. I wish I could say

It surprises me. But after one regular gun control poster, who still post here, said this-

"As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the fewer nuts of breeding age are left and the higher the average IQ of the nation will rise"

Nothing from the gun control side surprises me anymore.

[friendly_iconoclast]

50. You promote a straw narrative- any group that says "It is now time to turn our guns on..our enemies"

..would get the same (if not worse) reaction. Also, you seem to have ...forgotten..., shall we say,
the following. (The disinterested reader is invited to note just *who* authored some of it:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=144160#144226

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025422884

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154917

"Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds"

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8331184

I think Malcolm X's position on the Second Amendment was sound.

"Article number two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or shotgun."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1014928412#post104

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1014928412#post122

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1014928412#post141

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1014928412#post149


https://journals.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=203247

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x260530#260781

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x260530#260815

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x260530#260534
(post #93)

[Downtown Hound]

51. I'm an armed Democrat who supports gun control and thinks this is fucking moronic. n/t

[Paladin]

52. Suits me. Thanks for the comment.

I posted the matter in order to start a discussion. I got one.

[Downtown Hound]

53. Yes you did.

Most of us here aren't really interested in discussing armed rebellion, be it from the left or the right. If you want that kind of talk go over to freerepublic.com. Have a nice day.