Just wonering why no comments yet?

[HAB911]

Anyone cancel your membership yet?

[riversedge]

1. Never had a membership to cancel.

[The Polack MSgt]

2. Haven't been a member since the mid 80s, in fact...

Most gun owners are not members, and many who are only joined because range policies in their area.

It's fairly common for shooting ranges to require NRA membership to use the facility, because of the low cost NRA insurance

Also, there was this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029268115

Which kinda sank like a stone

[HAB911]

3. Yes, I saw that

I've noticed that both NRA and NFL(or any pro-sports) criticisms sink like rocks on GD

[The Polack MSgt]

5. I wish I could refute that, but I try to be an honest person -

So I can't.

I'm not sure why; are people uninterested in those topics?

Could be (at least on gun control/RKBA subjects) argument fatigue.

Sports - well I don't know, other than the obscene billionaire's welfare that stadium deals amount to, sports are just, well you know, secondary

[Decoy of Fenris]

7. Honestly? I just don't think many people view gun violence as a hotbutton issue.

Also, the TOS or SOP of GD... I think... says "No guns in GD." Unless it's a -major- story, Sandy Hook-level, gun threads in GD will almost always sink like stones or get blocked by forum hosts.

There's a vocal, but exceptionally small, faction of posters on DU who are almost violently anti-gun. They may kick a gun thread every now and then, but the vast majority of D.U. posters really just don't seem care. I like to think they understand the repercussions of amending the Constitution or altering an Amendment and what precedent that would set, but you never know.

I remember back during the Sandy Hook fallout, when thread after thread of GD was devoted to coverage, people just stopped posting about it. You could find intelligent conversation in about a quarter of the threads if you were lucky, and even then you had to go looking for it. Otherwise, it was the same posters saying the same thing nonstop, with no progress ever being made. Quite a few from both sides of the aisle ended up permabanned during heated arguments, so that could also be an issue; Get into it too deep and you might get waxed.

Either way, those may be some answers.

(No idea about sports. Can't help ya there.)

[DashOneBravo]

4. Friendly reminder

There are gun owning Democrats who don't support the current NRA. Skinner even allowed a group for us. I stay out of gun threads in GD.

I belonged in the 80-90 and was a Certified Instrutor. I still help teach new pistol shooters. Most of us don't talk politics at the range.

[sarisataka]

6. As was pointed out in GD

NRA membership is only 7% of all gun owners. I would say only a fraction of those support fringe rhetoric such as this. What makes you think any DU members, even if they are also NRA members, would also support this?

I don't know if it is necessary to condemn each and every statement by a group especially when the lunacy is self-evident. DU gun owners would be included in the target list as liberals.

[Marengo]

8. Who do you know is a member here?

[HAB911]

9. No clue

would anyone admit it you think?

[wincest]

13. i am

i live in CA. the politicians are stripping our rights away.


i hate the NRA, however i must join in order to shoot at certain ranges, and because i desire the right to own modern firearm's.

the anti's fuel NRA membership.

[oneshooter]

14. I am.

I am a certified firearms instructor, rifle, pistol, shotgun. The NRA is the only organization that has a teaching program that is accepted anywhere.
It part of how I make my living.
Like it or not.

[wincest]

17. my apologies

i forget to mention the NRA's training

i joined for the training and the iirl.

[oneshooter]

18. No problem. The NRA is not only the leader in training, it is just about the only one available.

Lets see the " gun safety" folks step up and really do some safety training.

[pablo_marmol]

23. "Lets see the "gun safety" folks step up and really do some safety training."

That'll happen around the time when the Pope shits in the woods and bears start wearing funny hats.

[krispos42]

10. I read a transcript of the ad on another site.

It's chock-full of dog whistles and alternative facts, and I feel no need to give the ad any clicks.

Not an NRA member, not going to be.

[hack89]

11. Several years ago. I joined the Liberal Gun Club instead. nt

[ileus]

12. Not a member, got tired of their mail spam back in the 90's.

[Alea]

15. I haven't been a member for at least 5 years

but if it was the only way to access a range I would join again. We have a National Forest Range about 20 miles from the University I attend, and there is another one about the same distance where I'm from. So whether I'm in school or back home visiting my parents on weekends or breaks, I have a good place to shoot. All other decent ranges require NRA membership as well as a club membership to use the range. If not for the NF Ranges I would be a NRA member for that reason alone.

Does the NRA take money from the gun industry? Yep, no brainer, they promote shooting sports and the right to bear arms, which are directly related to the gun industry. They also get money from regular people involved in shooting sports, want the right to bear arms, and appreciate the effort the NRA puts into fighting for these rights. When billions of dollars get pumped into the fight to ban guns, it's kind of natural that billions of dollars would get pumped into actions to counter that effort. Like wincest said, anti-gunners created the NRA of today. The NRA would have never needed to fight back if the left had not picked the fight, and with billions of dollars in donations to pick the fight with.

As far as the video. It's dramatic. Shows a lot of the reasons we lose elections. In the end it basically says "fight lies with truth", albeit in a rather dramatic way. The NRA is playing hardball, just like the other side. I would agree that the NRA might benefit more using a softer approach. They should have known the left would frame it differently than "fight lies with truth", and the "Clenched fist of truth" would be used to say the NRA is saying "clench your fist and beat up liberals", or as some have said, "get your guns and start a war with them". That's BS of course but they should know it would be interpreted that way by antis.

[gejohnston]

16. never been a member but,

Is it the message or the messenger? What if it were the same rant, but replace "conservatives" with "liberals or progressives" and replace "Antifa" with "American Nazi Party", which is really a distinction without much of a difference IMNOHO.
Do you believe Milo fans should have the same rights when attacked by Antifa terrorists, and they are terrorists, as one of us would against, say, Aryan Nation? What if the cops stand around and watch the Nazis or communists, Antifa is an anarchy communist group, assault people and starts burning shit down? IOW, are you willing to stand up for liberal values for everyone?

Now, I don't agree with these students politically, and I'm not a Milo fan, but I hope they win suing the shit out of Berkely. I also hope it leads to the mayor and police chief is removed. The purpose of government is to protect EVERYONE'S rights.

http://abc7news.com/news/milo-yiannopoulos-fan-files-lawsuit-against-berkeley/2069915/
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/16/8-berkeley-students-file-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-school-district/

[wincest]

19. you forget to highlight

the word liberal. a liberal, is someone who values everyone's freedoom! whether you agree with their ideology or not.

as long as you are not causing phiscal bodily harm to another.

Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government. It developed in 18th-century Europe and drew on the economic writings of Adam Smith and the growing notion of social progress. Liberalism was also influenced by the writings of Thomas Hobbes, who argued that governments exist to protect individuals from each other. In 19th- and 20th-century America, the values of classical liberalism became dominant in both major political parties. The term is sometimes used broadly to refer to all forms of liberalism prior to the 20th century. Conservatives and libertarians often invoke classical liberalism to mean a fundamental belief in minimal government. http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/definitions/classical-liberalism-53

The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[8] The phrase classical liberalism is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the 20th century, and some conservatives and libertarians, especially in the United States, use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of individual freedom and minimal government.[9][10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[jmg257]

20. Rifleman mag has good gun articles.

[pablo_marmol]

22. This is true. NT

[pablo_marmol]

21. What's 'wonering'?

One of our resident distorting Controllers is back. No membership to cancel here.

Amended to add: Always amusing when the liars who *created* the NRA smirk at and bitch about the NRA. I support the 2A Foundation, but would join the NRA if I had to for range privileges.

[pablo_marmol]

24. I woner why culture warriors like you don't believe that people like this exist:

Sarcasm......of course I don't woner.

[HAB911]

25. I don't see where anyone denied that?

[Squinch]

26. So the responses here are these:

1) "No one here is a member. Why would you even suggest such a thing?"
2) "Yeah, I'm a member."
3) "No, I'm not a member and that was really an awful ad, but I'd join, thereby tacitly supporting the rhetoric in that ad, if it made things more convenient for me."
4) "Doh! You spelled bad!"
5) One kind of disturbing one that seems to me to be endorsing "second amendment solutions." But I could be wrong.

[doc03]

27. Canceled mine after the Oklahoma City bombing when the NRA opposed taggets

in explosives help trace terrorists like the Oklahoma bombers.

[oneshooter]

28. How would taggets helped in the OK. explosion?

The explosives were home made ( fertilizer and diesel fuel). No factory produced explosives were used.

[doc03]

30. Here they come the NRA apologists. You know that is all NRA bullshit nt

[Alea]

31. Nope, just the clinched fist of facts

[jmg257]

33. Hmm...who was apologizing?

I do not get that term - "NRA apologists" - i never see anyone saying sorry.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. The root of the word means to explain

In religion there is a line of study called apologetics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
"Apologetics (from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense&quot is the religious discipline of defending or proving the truth of religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse."

[jmg257]

35. Ah thank you. Now it makes sense!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

36. Personally...

...with the almost religious type of devotion most pro-restriction folks evidence, I think "apologist" fits them pretty well.
po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe

[Alea]

29. The NRA didn't care about Taggants in explosives.

They pushed back on the technology because it wouldn't just be used in explosives, but powder used for making ammunition. Raising the cost of ammunition. At the same time the antis wanted to put chips in projectiles to help track them. The stance the NRA took was against a 15 dollar box of ammo costing 50 dollars because of tracking technology, making it harder for poor people to afford to shoot. Kind of like our side don't want any form of voter ID laws because it makes it harder for some people to vote, supposedly.

The National Mining Association and the Institute of Makers of Explosives were also against implementing the technology. I doubt the NRA would have protested if the taggants were only going to be used in actual high explosives, like TNT or C4. Using it in Ammonium Nitrate would have probably got the farmers riled up though.

[jmg257]

32. Thanks for bringing the facts to the discussion! Cheers!

[yagotme]

37. One big problem with taggants in propellant (powder) is

that it would have to be formulated to have the EXACT weight/density of the powder, or else the taggant would either settle down or up in the canister, resulting in extreme pressure variations when loaded into cartridges. The addition of taggants would also change load data, so if you worked up a load using tagged powder, then bought some old powder that wasn't tagged, you would run the risk of blowing up your firearm.