Latest opinions from the "Ban" world

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Some of us don't like handguns:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=203413
"Handgun ban". Keep kids from getting killed in cities

Let everyone keep their guns -- their rifles and long guns.

Ban handguns.

A renewed AWB has been included in the party platform since some of us don't like rifles:

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
"... keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons..."

As well as articles calling attention to rifles:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-gang-rifles-chicago-violence-met-20170223-story.html
Police have seized at least three rifles and have recovered rifle casings at dozens of crime scenes. There is also surveillance video showing rifles being used, according to investigators.

Police aren't sure why the gangs have suddenly added rifles to their arsenal, except for the obvious speculation that they are deadlier.

A bullet from a semi-automatic rifle can travel as fast as 3,200 feet per second, twice the speed from a handgun. That means wounds are more disabling, experts say.

[font color="red"]What is to be concluded by these attitudes and opinions?[/font]

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1. Sometimes you feel like a Nut!

Sometimes you don't!

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2. "What is to be concluded by these attitudes and opinions?"

I know!!! I know!!! (Waving hand around in air.) "Ban them all, Teach! Ban them all!"

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3. My point is...

...there's a group who (1) are very big on the idea of BANNING the evil black rifles.
There's another group (2) who like BANNING open carry.
Another popular mantra is (3) BANNING sniper rifles.
Still another, and likely one of the smaller groups, endorses (4) BANNING all handguns.

Hyperbole on> There are those who seem like they favor (5) restricting concealed carry to any bullet proof walk-in closet you may have in your home. <hyperbole off

What lots of folks don't see is that, with regard to items 1, 3 and 4, you can, with no change to the operative meaning of any substitute the words "relegate to a black market any commerce in" anywhere you see "BANNING".

There is of course overlap among those various groups.

IMHO taking an uncompromising (zero tolerance) position with regard to these and some other issues will impair the chances of any candidate of getting elected. There are a few places where these positions are well tolerated and not a handicap.

So, in general, what is a national political party to do when many geographical areas strongly support or oppose some of these causes?

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4. "So, in general, what is a national political party to do..........

.......when many geographical areas strongly support or oppose some of these causes?"

Double down, of course! I'm very disappointed -- haven't you been paying attention DIS?!

The Democratic Party has painted itself into a corner by brainwashing the left into believing all manner of lies and spin -- and is now well past the point where it can say....."Well, y'know......we've been off-base on the gun restriction issue. It's not the morally correct position, empirically supported or politically savvy one." Even if it simply stops talking about "gun control" the base will be at it's throat. Virtue posturing, and all that.

Between "gun-control", safe spaces/trigger warnings, nasty authoritarian shout-downs of everyone disagreeing with us and whitewashing the threat of Islam I think we're f*cked. I suppose it's possible that the party will begin a shift to Classical Liberalism. The movement seems to be gathering some momentum. I'm just not optimistic.

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5. In the beginning the Brady Campaign was the ....

National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH)

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Brady Campaign

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence are affiliated American nonprofit organizations that advocate for gun control and against gun violence. Together, they are commonly referred to as the Brady Campaign. They are named after James "Jim" Brady, who was permanently disabled as a result of the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt of 1981, and Sarah Brady, who was a leader within the organization from 1989 until 2012.

The Brady Campaign was founded in 1974 as the National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH). From 1980 through 2000 it operated under the name Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI). In 2001, it was renamed the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and its sister project, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, was renamed the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign

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The effort to ban handguns failed so it was decided to try an incremental approach to banning firearms. At that time "assault rifles" were not all that popular so they became the first target. Perhaps because of this effort a lot of people in the shooting sports grew curious about such weapons and discovered they more accurate and reliable than was commonly believed . Support for weapons such as the AR-15 grew and now they are quite popular and many variations were manufactured and now many shooters prefer them over the once very common bolt action rifles.

The Democratic Party unfortunately became known as the "Gun Control Party" and many gun owners decided to vote against any and all Democrats. Unfortuately this has cost the Democratic Party many elections over the years and will continue to do so as long as the party keeps pushing gun bans. The effort to ban firearms has cost the Democratic Party as much as the Republican efforts to ban abortions. Both issues are a ball and chain attached to the ankle of the Party who favor them.

Hillary was a strong supporter of gun control measures and even mentioned the Australian gun buy back program was worth considering perhaps not realizing that it was in reality not a voluntary program but instead mandatory. That statement might have been one of the major factors in why she lost the election to the often obnoxious Trump.

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The Australian Law Banned and Confiscated Guns

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The crucial fact they omit is that the buyback program was mandatory. Australia’s vaunted gun buyback program was in fact a sweeping program of gun confiscation. Only the articles from USA Today and the Washington Post cited above contain the crucial information that the buyback was compulsory. The article by Smith-Spark, the latest entry in the genre, assuredly does not. It’s the most important detail about the main provision of Australia’s gun laws, and pundits ignore it. That’s like writing an article about how Obamacare works without once mentioning the individual mandate.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

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The NRA made sure gun owners were aware of that fact. You can bet that most gun owners fear the possibility of any mandatory confiscation legislation and will show up at the polls to vote against those who support it. Since there are an estimated 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation that can make the difference in a close election.

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8. re: "The NRA made sure gun owners were aware of that fact."

So now because of this, anything NRA related is an attack on everything Democratic party related.

IMHO, it will be a few more years until the party sees the wisdom in considering the advantage of, at the least, not offending 25% of the country.

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9. The Democratic Party has been shrinking for almost a decade. ...

Pushing gun bans may well be the most important cause of the fact that the Democrats lost 1,030 seats in government accros the board during the Obama administration.

In my opinion it might be good for the Democratic Party to simply ban the use of the word "ban."

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6. Same thing as this...stupidly calling an SKS an "assault rifle"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126212317

Or even an "assault-style" rifle.

"Sources told ABC News that the primary weapon used in shooting was an SKS 7.62 assault-style rifle. Authorities also recovered a Smith and Wesson 9 mm pistol, though it was not clear if it was used in the attack.
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The suspect, who also owned a shotgun, is believed to have obtained a permit to carry a concealed weapon in approximately the last two months."
{though MAYBE it was modified}

Or saying an SKS



is the same exact thing as an AK-74 (used in Dallas).

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"It was the model used by Micah Xavier Johnson, who killed five police officers in Dallas last year before he was killed by a bomb squad robot."
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/15/news/sks-rifle-gop-baseball-field-attack/index.html


Conclusion?

People, often ignorant with little or bigoted 'knowledge', manage to report or comment about such things; and many hate guns, of all types, for any reason. They want them ALL gone...even basic semi-auto rifles with limited magazine capacity.

They will push their agenda, without making any distinction, as suddenly all rifles are now 'assault rifles' because they fire - go figure - rifle rounds.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126212322

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7. I'm guessing that most restriction folks I talk to...

...are as bored with talking to me as I am talking to them. If they had the interest to examine the facts, nine of ten would be against most restrictions mentioned today.

I used to be a bit amused by those ranting about "ammosexuals" and their odd motivations.