Firearms bans

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

Man portable firearms have been in use since the 13th century. There have been improvements in design, ergonomics accuracy and numerous aspects of these items. Every firearm just about owes its history, design improvements and enhancement accessories to the idea of killing. Some are more closely associated with lethal uses than others.

Aside from curios and collecting, every firearm fires a bullet designed to hit a small target area. It is the user who chooses the target. It's the user who hunts, shoots at paper targets, defends himself, fights a war or enforces the law. It is the user who decides to threaten or murder a spouse or rob a store. It is the user who decides to defend herself.

http://www.wafb.com/story/34706827/man-arrested-after-woman-shoots-him-in-the-arm


Someone please explain the legitimate desire to ban firearms.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Because they are meant to kill people and animals.

[sarisataka]

2. Ignoring that such a broad statement is untrue,

is killing a person or animal always a bad thing?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. That's not the question asked.

[sarisataka]

6. It is a separate question

I am asking you

[pablo_marmol]

13. *Very* obvious and sad dodge. NT

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. I am unconvinced that the choice of such targets is always an evil act

Perhaps you could elaborate more on this.
Should arrows and knives be banned as well?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

9. Naww. I answered the question. Don't respond to baiting.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. Your non-responsiveness is telling

Have a nice evening and please feel free to put me on ignore.

[pablo_marmol]

14. Naw. You have a history of "tail between the legs" behavior. NT

[Blue_Warrior]

17. A non answer and more non answer replies. Nice

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. Even a non-answer conveys useful information n/t

[Blue_Warrior]

19. In this case the useful information was that the poster didn't have any idea

[Marengo]

20. Should archery tackle be banned as well?

[sarisataka]

3. Some people think guns are icky

and don't want you to have them. {Yet many who advocate bans have no issue with special exemptions which allow them to own/carry guns}

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. In fact I don't have them but let's say for now that I'd like my options to be open

I haven't owned a gun nor shot regularly since college days on the rifle team.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. More guns than people.

That is the first sign there is a problem.

Most people who insist on having a gun are by definition highly likely not someone who should.

Many people have guns simply because others have guns and they fear. I think most of them would be willing to give up their gun if everybody else had to.

Guns are unnecessary unless you live in the wilderness. Keeping them in locked up, well regulated militias as the constitution requires would make more sense. You could go there and play with it, shoot at inanimate objects, etc.

ps this issue is not worth losing voters over...there are no gun bans and wont be

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

10. So many questions

More guns than people.
That is the first sign there is a problem.

Does that mean that collectors with 20 or 30 are more evil than hit man with 2 or 3?

Most people who insist on having a gun are by definition highly likely not someone who should.

Don't look now but your catch-22 is showing. What's up with that?

Many people have guns simply because others have guns and they fear. I think most of them would be willing to give up their gun if everybody else had to.

Do you actually have any evidence of that?

Guns are unnecessary unless you live in the wilderness.

I think if you convince the cops, I'll listen to that argument.

Keeping them in locked up, well regulated militias as the constitution requires would make more sense.

The Bill of Rights and various contemporaneous writings of the Founders and laws of the period favor and/or mandate each citizen keeping their arms in their home. A militia is an organization not a firearm lock-box. Where did you get this idea?

You could go there and play with it, shoot at inanimate objects, etc.

Do you have some evidence that "playing" with a firearm is a good idea?

ps this issue is not worth losing voters over...

No it isn't. This issue has contributed to lost elections going back 20 years. Dropping "assault weapon" language from party policies, issues and platforms would help.

there are no gun bans and wont be

Quite so. It would get more Democrats into office if those party policies and platforms didn't speak to contrary and sway some to vote for folks like trump.

[benEzra]

12. I respect your choice not to own them, but I insist on owning them. Does that disqualify me?

Most people who insist on having a gun are by definition highly likely not someone who should.

I respect your choice not to own them, but I insist on owning them. Does that disqualify me?

I think most of them would be willing to give up their gun if everybody else had to.

No, for two reasons. First, everyone "has to" give up cannabis under Federal law (never mind cocaine and meth), yet they are demonstrably easier to get than prescription cold medicine. Everyone "had to" give up alcohol during Prohibition, yet alcohol abuse increased, especially of harder distillates. In both cases, driving the commerce underground simply made it more violent, more lucrative, and more hardcore; it did not eliminate it.

Second, your "have to" part requires that there be *somebody* with guns to enforce the "have to" part. Gun control laws are enforced at gunpoint, after all. And the entire purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the executive branch from having a monopoly of force, since such monopolies have almost always turned toxic.

[pablo_marmol]

15. "Most people who insist on having a gun are by definition highly likely.........

........not someone who should.

This is precisely the type of statement that drives folks to vote GOP. Given the fact that such a small percentage of firearms are actually used in crime, and then by those with criminal records, this could not be a more obvious and stupid LIE.

[yagotme]

16. "there are no gun bans and wont be"

Umm, this is incorrect. Look at MD, NJ, NY, CA...

And there are those calling for a new AWB. Guess what the "B" stands for...

And, see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172202633