So...what about that tipping point?

[Kang Colby]

It seems like for the last year or two I've been hearing about this upcoming "tipping point" from the control oriented folks. However, I haven't seen that phrase used in over a month across the entire gun control social media footprint. What gives?

Will the tipping point ever cometh?

Let me assure you, I was certainly displeased with Trump's election night victory. I just hope that the gun control folks will keep the empty rhetoric coming under a Republican administration. I'm sure people probably think I dislike gun controllers, quite the opposite. Without gun controllers doing their thing, it gets to be very difficult to raise money. Without money it makes pro-rights efforts very difficult. We still have plenty of work to do on campus and constitutional carry. Please don't let us down.

[yallerdawg]

1. Well it certainly wasn't Sandy Hook, was it?

Today is the 4 year anniversary.

[Kang Colby]

2. Attempts at moral blackmail are pointless.

Lawful gun ownership had nothing to do with Newtown.

Today, CSGV had about 40 protestors outside of NRA HQ. In fairnesss, that's a huge turnout for a gun control rally.

Just a few miles away the Nation's gun show routinely attracts upwards of 20,000 attendees, 1300 vendors, and two miles of vendor tables stretched end to end.

[Eleanors38]

6. You should seriously study on WHY your observation is, fankly, correct. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. Your suggestion is sound, but prohibitionists just don't do that sort of introspection

Hence their continuing inability to grasp why they fail- for those of that mindset, it's always someone else's fault...

[pablo_marmol]

12. "........it's always someone else's fault....."

Yeah......looks like our resident Controllers suffer (hypocritically) from Drumpf Syndrome.

[ileus]

3. Our side may be a little more skeptical of curbing rights now that we're not in power.

Many get confused on what it means to be progressive on the 2A.

[Lurks Often]

5. Gun Control: losing elections for Democrats since 1994

1994: Democrats lose control of the House for the first time since 1952, including Tom Foley (WA), the first sitting Speaker of the House to be defeated since the Civil War era; Jack Brooks (TX) the most senior representative to lose an election and lost 54 seats overall.

1994: Democrats lose control of the Senate for the first time since 1987

1994: George W. Bush defeats Ann Richards in the Texas governor's race and starts down the path the would lead him to the White House in 2000.

[spin]

7. All a person had to do was look at the long lines of people waiting to enter ...

gun shows and the empty shelves at gun stores every time the Democrats attempted to push gun control legislation through Congress to predict it would cost the Democratic Party dearly in upcoming elections.

And that is exactly what happened.

It not only cost Democratic candidates close elections in the local, state and national levels, it also probably cost Hillary enough Electoral College votes to cost her the Presidency. Never forget there are at least 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation and they are a formidable voting block as many actually show up at the polls to vote. Unfortunately for the Democratic Party they tend to vote against those who wish to ban firearms.

There are reasonable improvements that could be made to our national gun laws. They DO NOT include gun bans and limits on the amount of rounds a magazine can hold.

[Lurks Often]

8. MI, WI & PA are all gun owner states which she lost by a narrow margin

OH, FL & NC are all big gun owner states as well.

Of course the gun control extremists will NEVER even consider that they might be wrong and that THEY might have been the straw that tipped the election to Trump

[Kang Colby]

9. Heck, even I agree with reasonable improvements to national gun laws...

they could be repealed.

[pablo_marmol]

11. Arrogance from a position of ignorance is a particularly ugly trait.

The religion of gun restriction is one that I fear Dems will never question. If you've been following the 2016 Postmortem forum you know that almost none of the DU members acknowledge gun restriction as a reason for Clinton's loss. I've lost hope. We're going to keep losing elections until we're toast.

[Girard442]

13. Why do you guys even come here?

Don't get me wrong; I'm a free speech fanatic. I'm not suggesting you all should be tossed out. I think you have every right to be here.

I just can't figure out why you want to.

[Marengo]

14. Define "you guys".

[Puha Ekapi_2]

15. "here" as in...

...the Gun Control & RKBA group, or "here" as in DU?

Why would you think that supporting an enumerated, constitutional (civil) right is in some way anti- Democratic?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. Do have a need to know?

[sarisataka]

17. Why do you

[SQUEE]

18. Because we are pro union, pro marriage equality, pro choice

and pro Democratic party. We also are pro gun rights.

Why would you think that I agree with everything you do?
And would you feel better each day if I wasn't in the same party as you?

[yagotme]

19. I believe in the 1st amendment,

as well as the 2nd. The "safe space" for "gun discussion" is over there, not here. Say what you want here (of course, within sensible reason), and you will likely have a spirited discussion. Over there, you can get banned for merely asking a question, as I did (I assume, as I wasn't told why I was banned).

[pablo_marmol]

23. "I just can't figure out why you want to."

Not surprised that you can't figure it out. It seems unfathomable to restriction supporters that gun rights supporting Democrats are steamed that we're losing elections that we deserve to win OVER A NON-ISSUE!!!

[flamin lib]

20. It came in went but gunners are too busy in their own echo chamber to notice it.

The pro-gun tipping point came in the 1970s when the gun makers took over the organization in a coup. There was no opposition for the fear and paranoia mongers. It took 40 years to get to where we are now.

Here is where the population of the US is now:
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Give us the next 40 years and then crow like the rooster that takes credit for the dawn.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Many voters took your advice to "Become single issue voters if only for a few election cycles"

Remember these?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211323

Become a single issue voter if only for one or two election cycles.

Restated more than once:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211212

Become a single issue voter if only for a few election cycles.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/126211428

Support Gun Regulation. Become a single issue voter if only for one or two election cycles.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211522

Be a single issue voter if only for a few election cycles.

Trouble is, most of the ones that did turned out to be anti-Prohibitionists, and the ones that were/are
pro-prohibition did not vote at anywhere near the rate of the progun crowd.

Or maybe they did some careful research at:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

and realized that rates of violent crime have dropped over the decades.

Apparently, the GOP aren't the only people relying on low-information voters...

[pablo_marmol]

22. Great catch.

If FL had his/her way, Democrats would be toast within one or two election cycles.