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sarisataka

(21,002 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 02:53 PM Dec 2016

Trump's Victory Has Fearful Minorities Buying Up Guns

Trump's Victory Has Fearful Minorities Buying Up Guns

After Donald Trump's win, Yolanda Scott is upgrading the crowbar she keeps in her purse to a small-caliber pistol.

Scott, an African-American, is one of many minorities who have been flocking to gun stores to protect themselves, afraid Trump's victory will incite more hate crimes.

Minorities "feel that racists now feel like they can attack... just because the president is doing it," Earl Curtis, the African-American owner of Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Virginia, told NBC News.

Gun store owners told NBC News that since November 8 they're seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers — and black gun groups are reporting double the normal number of attendees at their meetings since the election.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-s-victory-has-fearful-minorities-buying-guns-n686881

So who will change their rhetoric first-

the NRA saying everyone legally eligible should be allowed to own guns

or the Gun Control proponents that maintain every gun owner is an uneducated, pre-murderer, white wing wasist?
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Trump's Victory Has Fearful Minorities Buying Up Guns (Original Post) sarisataka Dec 2016 OP
The NRA when they get competition HAB911 Dec 2016 #1
Thanks. That's great. brush Dec 2016 #27
Kang's video (below) is based in reality. Yours? Not so much. jonno99 Dec 2016 #28
Once again DK504 Dec 2016 #29
I'm curious - what exactly is "the mark" - that the NRA is against POC owning firearms? nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #30
Watch this... Kang Colby Dec 2016 #2
+1 Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #3
Argue maybe but it ought to be impossible... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #41
If the price I must pay for my freedom is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #40
Good. linuxman Dec 2016 #4
I asked one of the don't-reach-out-to-the-deplorables if he/she would work with tRump Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #11
Sad it takes events like this to motivate people to be progressive on basic civil rights. ileus Dec 2016 #5
Why would the NRA change their tune? We hear they are all about selling guns and jmg257 Dec 2016 #6
Glad to see.. Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #7
Oh, that's because you hunt pheasant and speed goats. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #12
Heheh... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #15
"Too big for britches:" Trophy taibo? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #17
For clarity... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #35
I get it. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #8
lame duck jimmy the one Dec 2016 #9
I'm sorry, sarisataka Dec 2016 #10
lame, lamer, lamist jimmy the one Dec 2016 #16
*rofl* sarisataka Dec 2016 #18
If one used the google search in the upper right hand corner for 'gun' and 'penis' on DU alone AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #20
sarisak posts hearsay, & a liars link as evidence jimmy the one Dec 2016 #22
obvious hearsay discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #23
One doesn't quantify broadly; from the wrong link as well jimmy the one Dec 2016 #31
you're full of it discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #33
The faux sophistry is stunning sarisataka Dec 2016 #32
Another trip down 'de Nial', where an attempted refutation instead serves as confirmation... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #34
Here's a new fave..."8 Things Guns Compensate For (Besides Your Penis)" jmg257 Dec 2016 #36
where is this tiny shlong? jimmy the one Dec 2016 #38
The "argument from (feigned) ignorance" schtick doesn't work on those who have seen it before: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #39
icon con artist - icon cons, he cons, icon u con jimmy the one Dec 2016 #42
This misses the point. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #13
I dunno.... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #14
"Sage" advice... yagotme Dec 2016 #19
only a small funny.. SQUEE Dec 2016 #21
Yep, that would be me! yagotme Dec 2016 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #24
Doesn't have to pull the plug, yagotme Dec 2016 #26
I'm a white member of the NRA and i have a concealed weapons permit ... spin Dec 2016 #43

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
28. Kang's video (below) is based in reality. Yours? Not so much.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:19 PM
Dec 2016

(full disclosure: I'm not an NRA member)

DK504

(3,847 posts)
29. Once again
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:21 PM
Dec 2016

Sarah Siverman and friends hit right on the mark. MAybe they will show this at the next NRA rally.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
40. If the price I must pay for my freedom is...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:58 PM
Dec 2016

...to acknowledge that the government was granted the power to infringe on them, then I am not free.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
11. I asked one of the don't-reach-out-to-the-deplorables if he/she would work with tRump
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:43 PM
Dec 2016

to enact gun control measures.

No reply.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
6. Why would the NRA change their tune? We hear they are all about selling guns and
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:25 AM
Dec 2016

representing manufacturers.

Why would they care who buys 'em?


Anyway, good for new buyers, sometimes a safety pin just won't cut it.

Puha Ekapi_2

(69 posts)
7. Glad to see..
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

...that other PoC are waking up to the utility of having the freedom to exercise an enumerated right. My folks have always understood the necessity of that right, and we have never been reluctant to avail ourselves of it. Firearms ownership in the Native community is probably higher than any other demographic, and we are also overwhelmingly Democratic.

Puha Ekapi_2

(69 posts)
35. For clarity...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:29 PM
Dec 2016

"Taibo" roughly translates as "devil" in my native tongue. It is also the common use word for "white man". Not all white folks are taibo of course, and I've met plenty of "devils" of pretty much every color and creed. including red.

Response to sarisataka (Original post)

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
9. lame duck
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:44 PM
Dec 2016

sarisat: the Gun Control proponents that maintain every gun owner is an uneducated, pre-murderer, white wing wasist?

That's pretty stupid & lame to say.

sarisataka

(21,002 posts)
10. I'm sorry,
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

Do you feel my list is incomplete without a tiny penis reference?

You cannot seriously claim my statement is incorrect. One poster in particular is notorious for posting such claims along with photographic "proof". That one stands out but he is not unique.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
16. lame, lamer, lamist
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

sarisat: the Gun Control proponents that maintain every gun owner is an uneducated, pre-murderer, white wing wasist?

jimmy: That's pretty stupid & lame to say.

sarisak: I'm sorry, Do you feel my list is incomplete without a tiny penis reference?

That's even lamer & stupider.

sarisak: You cannot seriously claim my statement is incorrect. One poster in particular is notorious for posting such claims along with photographic "proof". That one stands out but he is not unique.

Post a link to this gun control proponent who maintains that every gun owner is an uneducated pre-murderer white wing 'wasist' (sic). Sick all right. I need more proof than a con artist's say so.
Then post several links to others to prove your idiotic contention.

sarisataka

(21,002 posts)
18. *rofl*
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

Are you seriously going to try to deny the penis fascination of pro-control zealots?

It is funny that you act so coy, while slipping in a personal attack or two; you have been here too long to be unaware. Yet a simple perusal of this thread will lead you to all the proof anyone needs. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=9858

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. If one used the google search in the upper right hand corner for 'gun' and 'penis' on DU alone
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

one could not evaluate all the links in a single day.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
22. sarisak posts hearsay, & a liars link as evidence
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:52 AM
Dec 2016

sarisak: Are you seriously going to try to deny the penis fascination of pro-control zealots?

Yep.

sarisak: Yet a simple perusal of this thread will lead you to all the proof anyone needs. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=9858

You're full of never ending bs on this thread it seems. You post a link to a pro gun thread where I did not recognize one gun control advocates name (there may be a few that I'm unaware of), to somehow ??? 'prove' that gun control advocates substantively express a fascination with penises.
You post a specious & invalid argument where you provide hearsay evidence without having to provide any substantive evidence at all, and the classic 'LIARS LINK' where your inane 'proof' boils down to ' the evidence is out there, look it up '

Ha. Go. away.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
31. One doesn't quantify broadly; from the wrong link as well
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

dscntnt: obvious hearsay sure: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185526

The link sarisak cited was apparently hearsay, but you didn't post from sarisak's link, you cited a GCRA thread.
Keep up with the class by informing yourself of what you are trying to rebut, before you attempt it. You cannot cite another thread and claim I was wrong labeling the original & separate thread 'hearsay'. That's invalid.

Dscntnt cites a post from nearly a year ago, to support sarisak's contention of some widespread penis fascination amongst gun control advocates. Are you two auditioning for dumb, dumber & dumbest?
And one citation is all you can come up with? Hardly incriminating of being a fascination by gun control advocates.

note the difference between his threadsarisak: Yet a simple perusal of this thread will lead you to all the proof anyone needs. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=9858

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
33. you're full of it
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:23 PM
Dec 2016
"...you cited a GCRA thread."
Nope, the link points to a post in this group. Looking at GCRA provides numerous instances.

And why do I need to "post from sarisak's link"? I'm not trying to prove that sarisataka was necessarily correct in asserting that the long thread to which he linked could be followed to a "penis" reference somewhere in group. He probably was correct. Either way I don't really care. You either have a short memory, can't search or don't read much in this group. You're quite wrong in implying that penis references and numerous other insults are rare or nonexistent.

The link sarisataka gave you points to a thread that contains many links to insults.

BTW, have another link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=191034
You may also want to practice using the search function.
Do your own homework and practice your denial on your own time.

sarisataka

(21,002 posts)
32. The faux sophistry is stunning
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:11 PM
Dec 2016

I haven't heard such denial of reality since the campaign.

Since you want specifics, although I recall one host of a different group said "I do not need to prove facts as obvious as the sky is blue", you may wish to look at these:

Georgia Ammosexual gets metalic penis back
Fatal Distraction: Manhood, Guns, & Violence
Mah pistol is mah penis.
The gun industry has won, and not just on a legislative level. They have won on a cultural level
Not only were there apparently no

or were these comments (all in the GCRA safe group so not polluted by "pro-gun" posters) inserted during the Russian hack? Were the articles they cited equating guns with penises also made up? Was the whole "Cocks not Clocks" movement simple a rhyme chosen at random? As a matter of fact, the same person I spoke of said:

just as they recognize the the penis references without requiring links.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=194918


P.S. you may want to look up the definition of hearsay.
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
34. Another trip down 'de Nial', where an attempted refutation instead serves as confirmation...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:17 PM
Dec 2016

...while the would-be refuter manages to contradict themselves in the midst of making said attempt.

It is left as an exercise to the disinterested reader to discover the identity of said poster:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172161439

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
36. Here's a new fave..."8 Things Guns Compensate For (Besides Your Penis)"
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:30 AM
Dec 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211865


(Being Italian, I never really got the connection. Until those cute girls in Texas started hanging cocks off their back packs anyway - now THAT is compensating for lack of large penis).



jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
38. where is this tiny shlong?
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:18 PM
Dec 2016

sarisak: Since you want specifics, although I recall one host of a different group said "I do not need to prove facts as obvious as the sky is blue", you may wish to look at these:
Georgia Ammosexual gets metalic penis back
Fatal Distraction: Manhood, Guns, & Violence
Mah pistol is mah penis.
The gun industry has won, and not just on a legislative level. They have won on a cultural level
Not only were there apparently no
or were these comments (all in the GCRA safe group so not polluted by "pro-gun" posters) inserted during the Russian hack?


Again you asininely change the goalposts & rebut something which was not contended.
Let me refresh your, um, mind, with what I challenged:

sarisak: I'm sorry, Do you feel my list is incomplete without a tiny penis reference?
That's even lamer & stupider.
sarisak: You cannot seriously claim my statement is incorrect. One poster in particular is notorious for posting such claims along with photographic "proof". That one stands out but he is not unique.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=201069

So far I have not seen one 'tiny penis' reference from anyone, nor the 5 links you provided. Sure, there are some out in cyberland, but you made it sound as if it were an everday occurrence either on here or GCRA. And post a link to where the poster in question posted 'photographic proof'.
JMG posted a link to a huffpo ariticle, hardly a fascination by a current poster.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
39. The "argument from (feigned) ignorance" schtick doesn't work on those who have seen it before:
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:39 PM
Dec 2016
https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+penis+small&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com#q=gun+penis+small+site:democraticunderground.com&tbs=qdr:y

Your credibility in regard to guns strongly resembles that of a certain Republican governor
on the subject of economics:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141647514

Brownback Urges Trump to Copy His Tax Plan

Source: Political Wire

December 23, 2016 By Taegan Goddard

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R), “whose tax cuts brought him political turmoil, recurring budget holes and sparse evidence of economic success, has a message for President-elect Donald Trump: Do what I did,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“In 2013, Mr. Brownback set out to create a lean, business-friendly government in his state that other Republicans could replicate. He now faces a $350 million deficit when the Kansas legislature convenes in January and projections of a larger one in 2018. The state’s economy is flat and his party is fractured.”

“Still, Mr. Brownback views his signature idea—eliminating the 4.6% state individual income tax for partnerships, limited liability corporations and similar businesses—as a national model.”


Read more:
https://politicalwire.com/2016/12/23/brownback-urges-trump-copy-tax-plan/

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
42. icon con artist - icon cons, he cons, icon u con
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
Dec 2016

icon: the "argument from (feigned) ignorance" schtick doesn't work on those who have seen it before:

You rarely disappoint in the idiocy department, and you haven't this time. There was one reference to a 'tiny penis' in one of the threads you linked to - 'I'm a tough guy I have a gun with my name on it' - C_U_L8R (19,323 posts) 8. True sign of a small penis Probably shoots blanks as well

The next thread you cited your blunder was that it was not even referring to guns, but humpty trumpty: (OP title) The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter .. to which a reply was: At least for men, I was gonna guess small penis size.

The next thread icon linked to (to prove - cough - his point), I couldn't find any 'tiny penis' remark via the search feature, except this from it appears to be icon himself, or a gunnut, whining about something proving to be pretty rare itself: As the saying went when I was a small iconoclast: Not hardly. ...... it just ends up being insults, sexual references and penis jokes directed towards us.

next thread, notgun Donald Trump Discusses Penis Size During Fox News Republican ...

next thread, notgun Maybe to make up for the fact that she always has to deal with those small hands. ..... they claim she must have a penis-sized bulge in her dress and manly arms.

Icons conning link, where he failed miserably regarding 'tiny penis': https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+penis+small&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com#q=gun+penis+small+site:democraticunderground.com&tbs=qdr:y

J_William_Ryan

(2,144 posts)
13. This misses the point.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:02 PM
Dec 2016

The point is that African-Americans and other minorities are concerned that because a hateful bigot has been elected president, his hatred and bigotry will give license to other hateful bigots to commit violent crimes against African-Americans and other minorities – to the extent they feel the need to arm themselves.

Response to J_William_Ryan (Reply #13)

yagotme

(3,819 posts)
26. Doesn't have to pull the plug,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

Just do catch and release, or ignore, as Chicago does. Then don't prosecute the people "defending" themselves.

spin

(17,493 posts)
43. I'm a white member of the NRA and i have a concealed weapons permit ...
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

and carry on a regular basis. If I was black or Hispanic I would also be a member of the NRA and have a concealed weapons permit.

The decision to own and to legally carry a firearm in public should require any individual to honestly evaluate themselves. Obvious it may not be wise for a person with anger management problems or a person who tends to abuse alcohol or drugs to own firearms. Of course any person who does decide to own a firearm should be willing to learn how to safely handle it and be willing to take the time to become proficient with the weapon. It is also extremely important to store a firearm properly especially if there is any possibility that a child might access it and also to prevent theft.

However I agree that anyone legally eligible should be allowed to own firearms and that includes all races, genders and different sexual orientations.

One of the people I personally consider to be a hero was Robert Franklin Williams.





Robert F. Williams


Robert Franklin Williams (February 26, 1925 – October 15, 1996) was an American civil rights leader and author, best known for serving as president of the Monroe, North Carolina chapter of the NAACP in the 1950s and early 1960s. At a time when racial tension was high and official abuses were rampant, Williams was a key figure in promoting armed black self-defense in the United States. He succeeded in integrating the local public library and swimming pool in Monroe. He helped gain gubernatorial pardons for two African-American boys convicted for molestation in the controversial Kissing Case of 1958.

He obtained a charter from the National Rifle Association and set up a rifle club, which became active defending blacks from Ku Klux Klan nightriders. He used the NAACP to support Freedom Riders who came to Monroe in the summer of 1961. That year he and his wife were forced to leave the United States to avoid prosecution for kidnapping, on charges trumped up during violence related to white opposition to the Freedom Ride. The kidnapping charges came after a white couple sought shelter in Williams' home when they were confronted by black protesters while driving through Monroe's black community. A self-professed Black Nationalist, Williams lived in both Cuba and The People's Republic of China during his exile between 1961 and 1969. (...emphasis added)

Williams' book Negroes with Guns (1962) details his experience with violent racism and his disagreement with the pacifist wing of the Civil Rights Movement. The text was widely influential; Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton cited it as a major inspiration. Rosa Parks gave the eulogy at Williams’ funeral in 1996, praising him for "his courage and for his commitment to freedom", and concluding that "The sacrifices he made, and what he did, should go down in history and never be forgotten."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Williams


Over the years I have introduced a number of people to the shooting sports including both blacks and Hispanics. A number went on to obtain a concealed weapons permit. This would have been very difficult if I lived in New York City or Chicago but fortunately I live in Florida which has "shall issue" concealed carry.

I don't really expect the KKK nightriders to reemerge under the Trump administration but if they do I would have no problem with members of a minority community defending themselves and their families by using firearms.
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