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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 01:48 PM Oct 2016

It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.

https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

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The first issue shouldn’t be so complicated. It doesn’t take specialized expertise in constitutional law to understand that current U.S. gun law gets its parameters from Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment. But it’s right there in the First Amendment that we don’t have to simply nod along with what follows. That the Second Amendment has been liberally interpreted doesn’t prevent any of us from saying it’s been misinterpreted, or that it should be repealed.
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Ban Guns, meanwhile, is not discriminatory in this way. It’s not about dividing society into “good” and “bad” gun owners. It’s about placing gun ownership itself in the “bad” category. It’s worth adding that the anti-gun position is ultimately about police not carrying guns, either. That could never happen, right? Well, certainly not if we keep on insisting on its impossibility.
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I've read a lot about police being over aggressive. I believe a minority of them are. I'm not aware of any police police force in a modern industrialized country that is 100% gun free.

Is there any case at all for repealing the 2A or any part of the BoR?
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It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 OP
This must be fiction... sarisataka Oct 2016 #1
No, it's not. Many city folks feel that way Warpy Oct 2016 #2
Before the trend to semi-auto pistols, thugs were doing a bang-up job with revolvers... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #6
There are a few things I'm seeing discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #4
So noted. A continuation of the rawest, anti-intellectual culture war. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #8
Well, as long as nobody wants to take our guns... beevul Oct 2016 #3
Apparently not any politicians discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #5
I am not surprised that extremist essays like this still get MSM coverage.... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #7
I think this article commited mass murder on my synapses... The Polack MSgt Oct 2016 #9
Funny! (and true) nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #10
Ha! pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #11
Written by an American living in Canada, where guns are quite popular. benEzra Nov 2016 #12
So what's wrong with the Canadian media? discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2016 #13
Because Wall Street is in the USA, not Canada... benEzra Nov 2016 #14

sarisataka

(20,992 posts)
1. This must be fiction...
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 02:04 PM
Oct 2016

I have been told many times that 'absolutely NO ONE is suggesting, considering or talking about banning all guns.'

I did notice the verbal sleight-of-hand in the article. There is no such thing as "good" and "bad" gun owners. Gun owners are all bad.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
2. No, it's not. Many city folks feel that way
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 02:24 PM
Oct 2016

I live in a city, too, but eight miles from me, it's bear and cougar country. I don't want to deprive anyone out there of the rifle or shotgun they need to defend themselves. If a bear gets this far into town, I can call animal control. They can't.

I also don't run sheep, although plenty of people here do, sheep that need to be defended from coyotes.

Having said that, there are some guns I want to go, like semi auto pistols. Those fucking things cause most of the grief around here. Runner up is the semi auto long gun, but it's not close.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
6. Before the trend to semi-auto pistols, thugs were doing a bang-up job with revolvers...
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 04:19 PM
Oct 2016

...and at a far higher rate of gun-killings. Semi-auto rifles? Not even on the statistical radar.

Proposals for this ban have little to do with measureable societal problems, but sound like bans of convenience.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
4. There are a few things I'm seeing
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 02:42 PM
Oct 2016

First, people everywhere are starting to realize guns are here to stay.

>>Mass shooters, rampage lunatics, fringe nutter killers and other assorted shooters/killers of multiple people are maybe 1% of all murderers. Trying to link and prevent those crimes by weapon type and regulation of that set is like nailing jello to a wall.
>>Many folks are noticing that violent crimes are mostly confined to a small part of the population and that such behavior can be mitigated when the causes are addressed.


Second, some pro-control folks seem to be less trusting of some of the 'ban them all' talking heads.

Third, it seems that because the rights vs control issue is so very fragmented with so many facets, meaningful progress will be painfully slow.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
5. Apparently not any politicians
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 02:48 PM
Oct 2016

However----

New laws: 0
Earth shattering pro-control court decision: 0
Number of times Homeland has designated the NRA as terrorists: 0
Number of posts demanding, proclaiming same: endless

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
7. I am not surprised that extremist essays like this still get MSM coverage....
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 04:24 PM
Oct 2016

but I am surprised the author thinks it remains a credible position.

The Polack MSgt

(13,425 posts)
9. I think this article commited mass murder on my synapses...
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 03:05 PM
Oct 2016

I could feel the brain cell being killed.

Time to restrict the 1st amendment to prevent this type of tragedy in the future...

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
12. Written by an American living in Canada, where guns are quite popular.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:32 PM
Nov 2016

Including "assault weapons". And she doesn't even realize it.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
14. Because Wall Street is in the USA, not Canada...
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 05:30 PM
Nov 2016

and it is a Wall Street oligarch that is pretty much singlehandedly funding rifle handgrip bans in this country.

Canada flirted with AWB's for a while as some of our protruding-handgrip hysteria leaked across the border, and they implemented a few restrictions, but nothing like CA/MA/CT. Canadians had the Tavor a long time before U.S. shooters did, and some very highly regarded AR-15's are made in Canada for the Canadian civilian market.

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