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[PoliticAverse]

1. If it's "a basic and fundamental human and civil right" why is it denied to 17 year olds? n/t

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2. I'd lower it to 16.

[beevul]

3. Please explain.

How is it that when it comes to people that you completely distrust with a gun, you trust their vote completely and entirely?

I'd like to understand your mindset here.

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4. Voting is a right. Guns are a privilege. (nt)

[beevul]

5. Wrong. Gun ownership is a right.

A constitutionally protected fundamental civil right, in fact.

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6. What is your arguement for disenfranchising people who can't be trusted with guns?

I believe that every adult citizen has a basic and fundamental human and civil right to vote.

For that reason, prison inmates currently serving time should be allowed to vote from their prison cells.

Because it's an inalienable right that all governmental authorities should respect.

This applies to all prison inmates, even those who can not be trusted with the privilege of having guns and ammo in their prison cells.

What is your argument for stripping your fellow citizens of their basic and fundamental human and civil right to vote, just because you don't trust them with gun privileges?

[beevul]

7. As antigunners are fond of reminding us all...

No right is absolute.

Do you disagree?

What is your argument for stripping your fellow citizens of their basic and fundamental human and civil right to vote, just because you don't trust them with gun privileges?[/div

I wasn't making one. But if you want one that sticks, try this:

There is no fundamental difference between distrust of someones choices where a gun is concerned, and distrust of someones choices where a vote is concerned.

Because it's an inalienable right that all governmental authorities should respect.

So is the right of the people to keep and bear arms, so much so that the framers sought to give that specific right greater protection than voting. I can not help but notice that you have no answer to that.

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8. Yeah, I'd disavow those as arguements for disenfranchisement, too!

I wasn't making one.

No matter how sticky they get.



Remember, we're talking about stripping your fellow citizens of their fundamental human and civil right to vote, here.

No silly nonsense about guns is going to cut it as an excuse.

Your disavowal was a wised decision, indeed.

But if you want one that sticks, try this:

I'll bet the NRA candidate would get all sticky and gooey just thinking about it...all those people, stripped of their very right to vote.

Just him and his chair...I hope...

[beevul]

9. Fundamental human and civil rights are fundamental human and civil rights.

No silly nonsense about guns is going to cut it as an excuse.

Fundamental human and civil rights are fundamental human and civil rights.

Those with integrity recognize and acknowledge that fact, and don't make exceptions based on their biases, even where the right to keep and bear arms is concerned.

Present company excepted, obviously.

[Marengo]

11. Why do you say it is a privilege? I thought it was enumerated as a right in the BOR?

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12. Because carrying a gun puts you in a position of privilege over your fellow citizens.

Why do you say it is a privilege?

[Marengo]

13. To clarify, are you referring to carrying in public, or possession in general?

[ileus]

10. Good news is I can be trusted with life saving devices and voting.

How can't get much more progressive than that.

[Marengo]

19. As the right to vote gave us Reagan, might it be considered dangerous as well?

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20. Not a good arguement for disenfranchisement. Try again.

As the right to vote gave us Reagan, might it be considered dangerous as well?

[Marengo]

21. It's a thought exercise, not an argument for disenfranchisement. Can you answer yes or no...

In that context?

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22. The right of prison inmates to vote in their cells does not depend...

...on their voting for or against any particular candidate or on their being too dangerous to be allowed guns and ammo in their prison cells.

You do realize that voting is a right, do you not?

Of course inmates should be allowed to vote in their prison cells.

Because voting is actually a right, not a privilege.