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[jmg257]

1. 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, lots of gun owners out there. Wonder if the supposed upwards trend in woman owners

and "self-defense" as the number #1 reason (if true), have anything to do with this terrible situation.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

2. Do you support a woman's right to defend herself against an abuser?

[stone space]

3. See "How to recognize NRA Talking Points".

Do you support a woman's right to defend herself against an abuser?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199943

[Nuclear Unicorn]

4. You're saying that if the NRA supports a woman's right to defend herself you reflexively

demand she not defend herself.

That's pretty sick, dude; and makes it look like you're only using the cause of DV to advance your personal agenda.

[stone space]

5. You are reflexively regurgitating NRA Talking Points.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. I'm confronting someone who demands that women who are being violently abused

continue to suffer serious violent harm.

Lives are in danger and all you can do type out "NRA."

[stone space]

7. No you aren't. That's a Trump-level lie. And it's time to start calling a lie a lie.

I'm confronting someone who demands that women who are being violently abused continue to suffer serious violent harm.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Feel free to prove me wrong by affirming a woman's right to defend herself.

[stone space]

9. You sound like an NRA Ad for Trump.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. Like I said, you deny a woman's right to defend herself. You'd probably have her prosecuted.

NRA or MRA, which way should a girl go?

[stone space]

12. Please don't hijack this OP with NRA/TRUMP Talking Points. (nt)

[Straw Man]

13. The word is "hijack" ...

Please don't hyjack this OP with NRA/TRUMP Talking Points

... and you're the one who brought "NRA talking points" into it. Prior to that, it was an open discussion.

Dismissing something by calling it "NRA talking points" is itself a talking point. It's a discussion-ending cliché.

[pablo_marmol]

16. No wonder your "cause" is in the tank!

Conflating honest Democrats with Trump supporters when they don't adhere to your misguided knee-jerk agenda!

[Duckhunter935]

15. Why don't you just answer a simple question?

Yes or no?

[jmg257]

11. Just over half of the women killed in a 1 on 1 homicide nationwide are killed with a gun.

"In 2014, there were 1,613 females murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents that were
submitted to the FBI...For homicides in which the weapon could be identified, 54 percent of female victims (783 out of 1,458)
were killed with a gun...., 69 percent of female firearm homicide victims (541 out of 783) were killed with handguns. "

Very good news is:

"From 1996 to 2014, the rate of women murdered by men in single victim/single offender incidents dropped from 1.57 per 100,000 women in 1996 to 1.08 per 100,000 women in 2014, a decrease of 31 percent...The data presented over the years in When Men Murder Women coincides with the passage and implementation of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), which will be 22 years old this year, as well as the passage of restrictions on firearms possession by persons with misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence or those who are subject to certain protective orders for domestic violence."

http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2016.pdf


They don't say how many women are killed with their own "self defense" weapon...curious stat that could be, as the number is reported to be on the increase.

[pablo_marmol]

17. The CDC says that women who use a gun for self-defense are the most successful.

And you have a problem with that? You have the temerity to compare RKBA supporting Dems with Trump supporters? No wonder you flail and fail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=199981

[jmg257]

18. The Trace, who questioned reported shifts in the number of women gun owners

back in March, now report...

Why More Urban Women Own Guns: Self-Defense — and the Second Amendment

The image of the U.S. firearm owner is shifting, a definitive survey shows. Urban American women explain the change: "Women are the prey."

·September 21, 2016

MIDDLE RIVER, MARYLAND — She only owns a handgun. She’s more likely than male gun owners to live in an urban area, and less likely to have grown up in a gun-friendly household.

And regardless of how many and what types of guns she owns, she’s more likely to report owning firearms for protection than men.

This is the portrait of the American female gun owner, as depicted by the most definitive survey of U.S. gun ownership in two decades. While gun ownership has long been dominated by men in the U.S., the survey finds that the percentage of women who choose to pack heat is increasing.

Of those who own handguns only, 43 percent are women, and nearly a quarter of those women live in urban areas, according to new research from Northeastern University and the Harvard School of Public Health.
...
“I really think women are driving the growth [in gun ownership] because it’s now accessible to them in ways it has never been before,” Lightfoot said.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/09/female-urban-gun-ownership-harvard-northeastern-university/