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[Duckhunter935]

1. Please respect the copyright

Her dildo should be concealed just like the weapons. Is she 21, had a background check, paid the fees and had the required training to carry that concealed dildo?

[stone space]

2. Blaming the victim? Why?

Her dildo should be concealed just like the weapons. Is she 21, had a background check, paid the fees and had the required training to carry that concealed dildo?

What did this woman do to deserve being terrorized?

She's just a student, trying to study for her exams in the face of domestic terrorism.

Why does it upset some folks so much to see women getting an education?

[Duckhunter935]

3. Nope

Please respect DU rules and copyrights, thank you. Have great day.

[stone space]

4. This wasn't you?

Her dildo should be concealed just like the weapons. Is she 21, had a background check, paid the fees and had the required training to carry that concealed dildo?

[Duckhunter935]

6. Did I blame the victim, nope

Please respect DU rules and copyrights. Thank you, have a great day.

[Throck]

41. What constitutes being a victim?

Isn't the whole point of wearing the dildo to attract attention?

[stone space]

42. By "attention" you mean a threatening snuff film by some gunhumping MRA?

Isn't the whole point of wearing the dildo to attract attention?

Has Trump's behavior in the Presidential campaign towards Hillary really led us to believe that such gun bullying threats are normal behavior?

By the way, welcome to DU.

[Throck]

43. Please stay on point.

[uppityperson]

45. Welcome to DU. How are their questions on not point?

"Isn't the whole point of wearing the dildo to attract attention?"

"By "attention" you mean a threatening snuff film by some gunhumping MRA?"

then I came upon a scene in which a female Cocks Not Glocks protester who looks like me — and gets a call during the film from one of my real-life friends and fellow activists — gets shot in the head by an intruder.
(clip)
I quickly read through the comments, expecting to see an outpouring of disapproval, but my eyes locked on one of the top-rated comments: “Ha Ha. He should have raped her first.”

Is "the whole point of wearing the dildo" to get "attention" like these threats?

[JonathanRackham]

5. Human Resource departments would write her up for sexual harassment.

Bikini clad women in the office/shop calanders fall into the same category. Work will not tolerate any form of sexual harassment.

[Duckhunter935]

7. I guess she must be for open carry

[JonathanRackham]

9. We had a director removed because he left porn mags out.

He was a flaming asshole and disrespected women grossly. HR laid down the law and he flaunted it. Senior management tossed him. It was clearly a hostile environment and the owners took it seriously. I've worked for 40 years and seen all kinds of ugly situations, the rules are fair, firm and equal. Work space is productive without unnecessary stress.

[stone space]

12. Sounds like he has more in common with the terrorist than the victim.

We had a director removed because he left porn mags out.

He was a flaming asshole and disrespected women grossly. HR laid down the law and he flaunted it. Senior management tossed him. It was clearly a hostile environment and the owners took it seriously. I've worked for 40 years and seen all kinds of ugly situations, the rules are fair, firm and equal. Work space is productive without unnecessary stress.

But you went on to blame the victim.

[Duckhunter935]

15. Apparently so, sadly

[stone space]

16. Making false accusations against a latina student facing down domestic terrosism is a Trump move.

So you think it's okay to sexually harass people at work ?

[Duckhunter935]

18. Funny you fail to respond to me for certain posts

I know you do not have me on ignore as you choose to respond D to some and post falsehoods.

Please respect copyrights per the DU rules and edit your OPs down to four paragraphs. Have a great day.

[stone space]

24. I've responded to several of your posts, but they are becoming spammy and appear to be meta baiting.

Funny you fail to respond to me for certain posts

As near as I can tell, your only on-topic comment here in this thread was the following:

Her dildo should be concealed just like the weapons. Is she 21, had a background check, paid the fees and had the required training to carry that concealed dildo?

I believe that I responded to your victim blaming.

You have made no other points regarding the topic under discussion here.

[Duckhunter935]

26. I have posted several times on topic

And it is nowhere close to victim blaming. As to my other posts, I have to keep asking it as you appear to be ignoring the DU rules on copyrights that I have posted excerpts of and links to. You have at least 4 OPs running that flagrantly violate the DU four paragraph rule. I have pointed it out graciously so you could edit your posts. You fail to take my advice or even respond. All I ask is you please follow the DU rules and not disrespect the administrators and owners. Like I said that could be seen as a TOS violation.

[stone space]

30. Please stop spamming my OP with meta reguarding your dissapointment with DU moderation.

You know that I am unable to even reply, due to the fact that such discussions of forum moderation are in direct violation of DU's TOS.

Don't interfere with forum moderation
Don't post messages about site rules, enforcement, juries, hosts, administration, alerts, alerters, removed posts, appeals, locked threads, or anything else related to how this website is moderated (except in the Ask the Administrators forum).

Why we have this rule: The purpose of Democratic Underground is to discuss politics, issues, and current events. Open discussion of how the website is run tends to distract from our core purpose.

Even with this reply to you, I risk being hidden for violation of TOS.

That is why your constant spammy meta-baiting is annoying. You do it, in violation of TOS, knowing full well that I can have my post hidden even for discussing your disappointments regarding DU's moderation system.

If you feel that a post violates TOS, then your remedy is to alert on the post in question, not to whine repeatedly about your disappointments over jury decisions that might not go your way.

Attempting to bait others with repeated spam into meta discussions regarding forum moderation decisions is inappropriate.

Do not expect me to reply to your meta-bating spam in the future.

I am in direct violation of TOS for even replying to your meta-baiting here in this post.

NOTE TO JURORS: Please note the meta-baiting spam listed below, the sheer volume of which has made it necessary for me to reply to the meta-bating in this one single post, even if it is in direct violation of DU's TOS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post18

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post26

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post14

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post20

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post28

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199405#post27

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028170785#post6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028170785#post9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028170785#post10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1190190#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1190190#post10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1190190#post11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1190190#post13

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1190190#post8

[Duckhunter935]

32. I will stop pointing out the rule

I will just send a PM to the administrators and take it away from the open. They just should be informed. To bad a simple suggestion has to come to this. I have edited and deleted posts when someone has suggested I went too far. Have a great day.

FYI, I did use my option of alerting

[stone space]

33. You can find a list of such posts in post #30.

I have edited and deleted posts when someone has suggested I went too far. Have a great day.

Have a nice day!

[Duckhunter935]

35. You too

[gejohnston]

48. how is her ethnic origin relevant?

Just because she has a Spanish surname does not necessarily mean she is Hispanic, Latina, or Chicana. She could be Anglo and adopted by or married to a Hispanic. My SIL's maiden name is German, but is married to a Floridian of Spanish decent.

[DonP]

49. It gives him one more group that hasn't banned him yet to post it in? n/t

[Throck]

50. Carlos Hathcock

Eom

[Duckhunter935]

52. It isn't

It just allows the OP to try and divide people. I can't believe he is allowed to flagrantly violate the DU copyright policy either.

[jmg257]

54. She made an issue of it herself...in the linked article.

"But once I got past the shock and disgust of seeing "my" murder on YouTube and "my" eulogy on Facebook, I could see the video for what it was: useless. The producers shot themselves in the foot, I realized. They effectively exposed themselves as the bad guys with guns. These trigger-happy extremists who spend their free time depicting a 20-year-old Latina’s murder, and then denying it on national media"

[Duckhunter935]

14. Why do you not follow DU

Rules about copyrights? Please edit your two OPs. Have a great day.

[JonathanRackham]

17. Great, now you're victim blaming.

[Duckhunter935]

19. Lol. nt

[stone space]

8. More victim blaming?

Human Resource departments would write her up for sexual harassment.

This student is a victim of domestic terrorism.

Why are folks attacking her here?

[JonathanRackham]

10. Not

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=199415

[Duckhunter935]

11. Nobody is blaming the victim

They are pointing out that openly display of sexual items might be an issue. Of course I think she would win on 1st amendment grounds.

Please respect DU rules and copyrights. You seem to ignore that. Have a great day.

[Duckhunter935]

20. Please respect DU rules

Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt with a link back to the original.

To simplify compliance and enforcement of copyrights here on Democratic Underground, we ask that excerpts from other sources posted on Democratic Underground be limited to a maximum of four paragraphs, and we ask that the source of the content be clearly identified. Those who make a good-faith effort to respect the rights of copyright holders are unlikely to have any problems. But individuals who willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights risk being in violation of our Terms of Service.

Democratic Underground believes we have an ethical responsibility to respect the rights of copyright holders. For this reason, we strongly encourage our members to refrain from violating copyrights when posting here, and we make a good-faith effort to deal with copyright violations posted on our site when we are aware of them. However, please be aware that as a matter of law, individuals who infringe on copyrights in their postings on this site or elsewhere can be held individually responsible for copyright violations they post. Democratic Underground does not necessarily have a legal responsibility for the things members post on this website.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=copyright

[jmg257]

21. Its a real shame these women are getting death threats just because they have a different opinion

on campus carry. Nothing good about threatening death, or rape, or whatever just to silence opposition. Glad to see she's standing by her guns (or cocks in this case).

"Growing up in Texas, Jin says she never really thought of gun culture as a problem. The 25-year-old has even considered applying for a concealed handgun license herself one day. But last fall, she was troubled by a string of campus shootings in the news. There was the rampage at an Oregon community college that left 10 dead. A shooting at Texas Southern. And another at Northern Arizona University.

As she drove through Austin one day last October, she says she heard a pundit on the radio say that Americans should just learn to live with these acts of violence and brace for them to happen. The thought that immediately popped into her head? What a bunch of dildos. What a dildo-like response."

“You’re supposed to be here to talk about difficult issues and shit. Because we live in the middle of this hotly contested gun culture, if one person is afraid to speak, there goes the free exchange of ideas,” Jin says.
Lopez, a junior, tries to take those reactions with a grain of salt. But it can be hard.

“It’s really scary…[in] the current political climate, it’s hard to do anything,” {Lopez} said, a pale, veiny dildo hanging from her black Urban Outfitters backpack. “So, at least we’re going out on a limb with something.”

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/08/120840/cocks-not-glocks-dildo-protest-college-campus

[sarisataka]

22. Death threats

And other threats of violence are way over the top and should be dealt with according to law.


Speaking of law why are you not respecting the laws of copyright and intellectual property? As has been pointed out to you has simplified its rules to respect such rights and copyrights.

Democratic Underground believes we have an ethical responsibility to respect the rights of copyright holders

Is there a reason that you feel entitled to ignore this ethical responsibility?

[oneshooter]

25. Could it be because he has no ethics?

It is the only reason that I could think of.

[Duckhunter935]

28. I think DU members tend to be ethical

And always hope the OP will follow the rules and TOS by following the 4 paragraph copyright rule.

[sarisataka]

34. I cannot vouch

For the OP's character, or lack thereof.

I do recall the OP threatening to have students arrested for not following his class rules. Yet he will not abide by DU written rules or the common decency to respect...

There is a word used to describe those who hold people to higher standards than they are willing to follow themselves.

[shadowrider]

37. OH OH OH PICK ME (HAND UP)

Does it start with an "H"?

[sarisataka]

39. There is one "H"

Would you like to spin or buy a vowel?

[shadowrider]

40. Can I do both

and blame a conservative if I can't?

[Duckhunter935]

46. I seem to remember he advocated

Skipping out and not paying for the services rendered if he saw a holstered firearm.

[Duckhunter935]

27. I agree

Any death threats are way over the top.

Good question on why the OP feels he can so blatantly ignore the DU rules and fail to act in an ethical manor.

[oneshooter]

29. Yet this member has shown no proof of such ethics in his disregard of the rules governing

DU.
And DU is allowing this to happen. Therefore do these rules only govern those who obey them? And all others are allowed to run roughshod over them, with no word of reprimand from DU?

[gejohnston]

23. any idea who made the video?

Did Brett Sanders make it? If so, he is less of a "gun guy" and more of a garden variety anarchist who prefers trolling to petrol bombs.
https://www.youtube.com/user/bmsanders/videos

If the maker is found out, they should be called out and disowned by both sides of the gun issue.
Oh, and Glock should sue for plagiarism.

[tortoise1956]

55. OK, I gotta ask...

Has nobody caught the irony in this video? You know, the part about her not being able to protect herself with a dildo? With the implication that if she had the very item she was protesting against, she might not be dead?

Granted, the video was in poor taste, and it was probably much too graphic for college campuses of today. BUT - violence against women is pretty common, and being able to carry a firearm, or at least have one on campus, will almost certainly help to reduce the number of offenses.

[gejohnston]

56. I did, hence my earlier reference

to the Glock commercial. The MDA commercial about the crazy ex-husband had the ladies on The View saying "that makes me want to go buy a gun".
I looked at the Brett Sanders you tube channel. He seems to be an all around anarchist and troll.
http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/opinion/grisham-anti-gun-group-misleads-public-and-is-out-/nsbLD/

[tortoise1956]

57. Sorry

Missed the reference...like much else that happens around me any more...

[deathrind]

31. The gun rights

People have serious issues. They go after this lady for protesting with sex toys, they threaten a firearms dealer with burning down his business for selling smart guns...a person displaying this type of mental instability and threatening behavior has no business owing a firearm.

[mwrguy]

36. Gun humpers threatening a young minority woman

Par for the course.

[shadowrider]

38. No

It's for open display of a sex toy which could trigger other people. Conceal carry means conceal. To protest, the sex toys should also be concealed.

[stone space]

44. Do uppity women trigger gunhumping MRAs?

And it doesn't look like those who participate will face disciplinary action — a spokesperson for UT Austin told Refinery29 that the university supports civil displays of freedom of expression, and that it appears the planned protests qualify as "protected political speech."

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/08/120840/cocks-not-glocks-dildo-protest-college-campus

Dildos are a particularly apt implement for an anti–campus carry demonstration, and not just because they share space with guns as stand-ins for human penises. Texas lawmakers have long been more scared of dildos than they are of guns—the sale of sex toys was illegal in the state until 2008. (Then–solicitor general Ted Cruz staged a valiant court effort against the right to “stimulate one’s genitals for non-medical purposes unrelated to procreation,” but he lost.) It’s still a misdemeanor crime to openly display a dildo or other obscene material in public; the act could carry the consequence of a $500 fine.


But a UT spokesman said the school’s administration considers Cocks Not Glocks a demonstration of free speech, not prurient spectacle. “Students have a right to express themselves,” he told the Austin American-Statesman. “This appears to be protected political speech.”


Jin’s Facebook event has attracted a fair number of haters who feel more threatened by protesters with dildos than a college student with a gun. “There’s a lot of people openly expressing that they would take joy if we were assaulted or raped with our protest devices,” Jin told CityLab. “They’re like, ‘We can’t wait to see them get raped by their own toys, because they’d be inviting sexual assault, and then they’ll wish they had a gun.’” The protest just started yesterday, but it sounds like there were already a ton of dicks on the UT campus.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/25/the_anti_gun_dildo_campaign_has_finally_begun_at_the_university_of_texas.html

[Nuclear Unicorn]

58. How about women who support the RKBA? Are we too uppity for you?

[stone space]

59. What does this have to do with me?

How about women who support the RKBA? Are we too uppity for you?

I'm not the gunhumping domestic terrorist making snuff films of university women.

The Texas legislature put a target on her back, and now she is experiencing the consequences.

Campus Carry has proven to be a huge disaster in Texas, inviting terrorism against students.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. Snuff film? My goodness but that is breathless scare-mongering.

I suppose, then, pro-gun control ads depicting violence are snuff films.

Apparently this ad threatens women with being murdered by a gun for failing to support an agenda that will allow them to be stabbed and strangled.

Surely you do not support such violence directed at women.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

61. For some...

...those killed using anything but a gun must be less dead than those killed with a gun.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

62. This is another poster where I cannot be entirely certain this isn't an effort to

maliciously make gun control advocates appear unhinged and belligerent.

If I wanted to create a defaming caricature of an opponent I couldn't have created one more accommodating. It's like a self-animating strawman.

Anybody with even an ounce of awareness would realize that pro-gun control groups have created ads with depictions of violence. To claim the ad in controversy in the OP is a snuff film/call to violence is to open gun control advocates to the same criticism and that is would be seized upon. Yet, here we find ourselves mired in just such a predictable scenario.

Surely, nobody is this ideologically blinded that they couldn't foresee this turn of events.

Is it performance art? Someone trolling gun control advocates? This can't be serious.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

63. My thoughts

Surely, nobody is this ideologically blinded that they couldn't foresee this turn of events.

Sure they are; we call them true believers.

If I wanted to create a defaming caricature of an opponent I couldn't have created one more accommodating.

Noticed that did you? DU doesn't have an "irony overload" alert which is good as it would only serve to hobble the mirth.

[Duckhunter935]

64. The hypocrisy is strong in some

They are just so blind in their hatred they fail to see it

[stone space]

65. You're actually defending this terroristic snuff film made about this student? WTF???

[stone space]

67. Personal attacks and insults do not change the fact that she is being terrorized.

'It Was Terrifying:’ Campus Carry Protester Feels Targeted by Gory YouTube Video

http://kut.org/post/it-was-terrifying-campus-carry-protester-feels-targeted-gory-youtube-video

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

68. Many fellow anti-gun/rkba posters are rather quick to imply...

...that all gun owners share responsibility for all deaths and injuries involving guns.
Are you as quick to call out their behavior as it is quite insulting?

[stone space]

69. Off topic. Has nothing to do with my post, which involves a terroristic gunhumping snuff film.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

70. Possibly you missed it but I didn't reply to your OP. n/t

[stone space]

71. If you are having personal conflicts with other posters, please address site admins, not me.

I don't want to be dragged into your personal squabbles with others here.

Just leave me out of it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

72. Do me a favor...forget I asked.

Have a nice night.

[gejohnston]

73. If you have evidence that this is a snuff film,

Please notify law enforcement for investigation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film

[sarisataka]

74. A snuff film

is "a movie in a purported genre of movies in which an actor is actually murdered or commits suicide".

Were you ignorant of that definition or was your inaccurate use of the term intentional?

[Straw Man]

47. It's a nasty little piece of work, that's true.

But it takes some spectacular mental contortions to avoid the obvious point, which is that a dildo won't protect one against an intruder.

[beergood]

51. those gun owners are dicks

nobody should feel ashamed/threatened to express their views. i do not own firearms to threaten others, i desire to protect myself and my loved ones. a firearm allows a small weak person to stand up to a person that is twice their size and stronger/faster than they are.

[ileus]

53. Guns don't have rights....people do.

Simple concept, hard for some to grasp.