"Investigators credit conceal-carry permit for saving man’s life" - Illinois

[DonP]

http://fox2now.com/2016/09/09/investigators-credit-conceal-carry-permit-for-saving-mans-life/

GRANITE CITY, IL (KTVI) - Investigators say a man with a conceal carry permit was able to defend himself against armed robbers. Police believe his weapon helped save his life

Some Granite City residents are still in shock after police say a man sitting in his car in the 2500 block of Revere's Route Early Friday morning was approached by an armed robber.

The victim was dropping off a friend after work when the suspect attempted to rob him. He was able to defend himself by firing his concealed weapon at the robber. Detectives say the victim's action saved his life.

The video goes into more detail than the printed article. The surprising part is they actually covered it on the evening news with out spinning it and the States Attorney for the County applauded the guy's use of a gun for self defense on camera.

Funny, since we've been assured repeatedly by the resident "experts" that no one ever uses their gun for actual self defense. Now we'll all wait for the irrelevant stories of criminals and accidents as result of negligence to "balance" the stories, since our control "fans" can't seem to tell the difference between lawful self defense and a crime or negligence.

But what else is new?

[Yallow]

1. And For Every Person Who Carries That "Protects Themself" A Dozen Shoot Themselves Or Their Children

The odds are insane.

Here, have my wallet......

[DonP]

2. Ummm, Not even close to right

What's insane are your shitty math skills.

On the low end the CDC estimates from 60,000 to 80,000 defensive gun uses every year, versus 9,000 murders. Not shootings, defensive gun uses.

On the high end other DOJ and FBI sources estimate it may be as high as 750,000.

But that's alright, you just don't know any better.

[pablo_marmol]

3. "The odds are insane."

Only if you've swallowed the horrifyingly weak "research" of Arthur Kellerman and David Hemenway.

[Yallow]

4. Only 229 BILLION With a B

What gun violence really costs.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america

229 billion so some folks can feel a little more secure, when exactly the opposite is true.

I used to carry, and I spent a huge amount of my time thinking about how to "take care of" my gun.

Wasted mental energy when the odds were greater I was going to shoot myself instead of someone hassling me.

Make the gun "needers" pay 100% the 229 billion and not the other 77% that don't own weapons.

Fair right?

BTW I am a gun owner and love blasting away.

I don't carry because I know all the bad things that can happen if I slip up once.

[pablo_marmol]

6. Given that the CDC has now conceded that defensive gun use........

exceeds criminal gun use, yours are the ramblings of an irrelevant.

Buh bye.

[sarisataka]

8. Since you are a gun owner

What is the fair share that you should pay?

[beevul]

15. "229 billion so some folks can feel a little more secure, when exactly the opposite is true."

"229 billion so some folks can feel a little more secure, when exactly the opposite is true."

No, that's 229 billion because a relatively tiny handful of people can't control themselves.

Make the gun "needers" pay 100% the 229 billion and not the other 77% that don't own weapons.

Fair right?

No. Not fair.

Heres fair:

Make the misbehavers pay 100% the 229 billion and not the other 99.9+ percent of those who own guns.

Fair right?

We aren't the problem. Don't make us the problem.

[Yallow]

5. 10 Myths About Carrying

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

[pablo_marmol]

7. Burp, fart, burp.

Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” (emphasis added)

Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

“Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. Do you know the real life Mother Jones from which the publication draws its name

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was part of numerous labor organizing movements where the workers had to defend themselves and their families from strike breakers? Those workers were armed and at times had to defend themselves in pitched gun battles.

If the gun control lobby were to have gained the level of control they claim to want there would be no Mother Jones.

[Duckhunter935]

11. Link to your research on those numbers please

I have a feeling you just are making them up

[LongtimeAZDem]

13. Demonstably false, as others have already cited (nt)

[Eleanors38]

17. Latest data on childhood (-15 yoa) deaths-by-gun reveals 65 - 95 A YEAR.

[ileus]

10. No surprise here....everyone knows guns are designed to save lives.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. That's probably the only instance of this so far this year

An unfortunate person is now in the hospital and it's likely no one would have been harmed at all if there were no guns.



The carrier's gun was probably bought off the internet or at an evil gun show or in a back alley without a BGC or is a ghost gun loaded with cop-killer bullets.
But this is from Fox so it's probably been completely fabricated and never happened.

[LongtimeAZDem]

14. It's not even the first instance this week

https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/new/

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. I remember this guy who said...

..."A right delayed is a right denied." At the time he was denied a carry permit and was later shot and killed.

Why is it so damn hard for some folks to learn?

[jimmy the one]

18. first request for 'resident experts' testimony

donP: Funny, since we've been assured repeatedly by the resident "experts" that no one ever uses their gun for actual self defense.

Can you post just a couple of these resident experts posts, who have contended this? use the DU search feature.
You don't have to list ALL of them, just a few so I can see if what you are saying is true, since I do not consider you one with a lot of honesty & integrity. I think you are more prone to make things up, fabrications.
I have been posting here several years & I don't recall any of your contentions, tho they might say it's rare for a gun owner to use his gun in self defense, which is true.
How many times have you used a gun in self defense? how many times have you shot someone? how many people have you killed with your gun? just curious.