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beevul

(12,194 posts)
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:57 PM Aug 2016

Pro-gun people and anti-gun people: Where do they stand on free speech?

Pro-gun people and anti-gun people: Where do they stand on free speech?

That became my question after making some interesting observations in this thread about free speech in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028123637



If you're anti-gun, where do you stand?

If you're pro-gun, where do you stand?


Me personally, I have more faith in open discussion of ideas, than I do in 'bouncers'.

(Note: I'm referring here to free speech in general, not speech on DU per se.)

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Pro-gun people and anti-gun people: Where do they stand on free speech? (Original Post) beevul Aug 2016 OP
Probably pretty much along party lines. If you are pro gun and Republican doc03 Aug 2016 #1
Even a broken clock is right twice a day..nt virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #5
All for it Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #2
I'm pretty much anti-control on most things. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #3
Come with facts, truth and logic in hand. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #4
I am consistant in my defence of civil liberties.. virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #6
I support the free exercise sarisataka Aug 2016 #7
Seems most are very tolerant - as long as you agree. Lots of hateful petty people otherwise. jmg257 Aug 2016 #8
2 days... beevul Aug 2016 #9
They did not cross post it to the other group? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #10
Their concept of "Control" extends far beyond who owns guns DonP Aug 2016 #11
They haven't showed up because they are in GD... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #12
I stand for free speech, and support the rest of the Ten Amendments. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #13
Not too nuts about the 4th and 5th either DonP Aug 2016 #14
Free speech is a right discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #15
Pro gun rights liberal here. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #16
Thank you, but in fairness... beevul Sep 2016 #17
Actually, the dirt I was referring to was the interesting connection....... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #18
Ahh I see what you mean and you are correct. beevul Sep 2016 #19

doc03

(36,712 posts)
1. Probably pretty much along party lines. If you are pro gun and Republican
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:11 PM
Aug 2016

you would be against free speech. While most pro-gun Democrats would support free speech. Republicans are pretty against all the amendments but #2.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
3. I'm pretty much anti-control on most things.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:38 PM
Aug 2016

If someone wants me to control something they have to come up with a reason better than, "That's what those other people do."

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
4. Come with facts, truth and logic in hand.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
Aug 2016

Keep the emotions at home.

Emotions have probably sent a few innocent people to the electric chair.


virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
6. I am consistant in my defence of civil liberties..
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
Aug 2016

People that are willing to "sell out one" ignorantly lay the ground work to sell them ALL out..

Our Bill of Rights is NOT like a cheap Chinese Buffet...It is NOT to be picked over for the things one likes, and doesn't like...It is an all or nothing affair.

sarisataka

(21,002 posts)
7. I support the free exercise
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:18 PM
Aug 2016

Of all the enumerated and reserved rights of the people limited only by the minimum necessary restrictions.

If that makes people feel the need to label me pro gun, I don't really care they are free to do so.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. Seems most are very tolerant - as long as you agree. Lots of hateful petty people otherwise.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:42 PM
Aug 2016

Some are plain bullies, tough guys with very little patience for notions other then their own.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
9. 2 days...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:07 PM
Aug 2016

Its been 2 days, and no 'bouncer' supporters have shown up, nor have any anti-gunners shown up who support free speech.


What are we to make of this?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
11. Their concept of "Control" extends far beyond who owns guns
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:15 PM
Aug 2016

Based on reading their posts for over a decade, it's become pretty clear that the majority of them feel a need to control lots of other things as well.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. They haven't showed up because they are in GD...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016


I have to spend the first hour on DU perusing the threads there for the usual, you know, peculiar threads.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
13. I stand for free speech, and support the rest of the Ten Amendments.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:39 PM
Aug 2016

I do note some DUers who are opposed to the Second, seem a little sketchy on the First as well.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
14. Not too nuts about the 4th and 5th either
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:40 PM
Aug 2016

Some favor kicking in doors to forcibly confiscate guns and demanding gun owners go into a pubicly available registry.

They fall just a little short of demanding they all wear special tags, hats or yellow stars when they go out so they can spot them in a crowd.

Well, ... most of them anyway.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
15. Free speech is a right
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:53 AM
Sep 2016

I support the idea of being able to yell, "Fire." in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
I also support the powers of the government to arrest, charge, try and sentence you for inciting a riot.

I don't think there's a way to additionally clarify my position but feel free to ask.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
16. Pro gun rights liberal here.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:52 AM
Sep 2016

Also pro free speech.

And I would be remiss if I didn't compliment your performance on that "other thread". You exposed dirt that many would like to pretend doesn't exist.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
17. Thank you, but in fairness...
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:39 PM
Sep 2016
You exposed dirt that many would like to pretend doesn't exist.


The dirt exposed itself, I just had the resolve to point it out, and stand with the majority pointing and laughing.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
18. Actually, the dirt I was referring to was the interesting connection.......
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:51 PM
Sep 2016

between those who would control gun rights and free speech, and the fact that Democratic gun rights supporters support free speech as well.

There was the predictable deafening silence in response to the post where you drew that observation --- no doubt more than a few members felt uncomfortable regarding your gall in pointing to that particular inconvenient truth.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
19. Ahh I see what you mean and you are correct.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:54 PM
Sep 2016

Mostly, I was just thinking that the thread in question, and this one, would be handy to point to next time some anti-gun cultist levels the accusation that pro-gun folks are the ones who don't support free speech...though it may be a while before any of them make that accusation, now.

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