Contradiction

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

Point 1: I get the idea behind basic gun-control. I agree with the basic idea that, while we can't predict the future, it is reasonable to put certain restrictions on folks that have been shown to be not completely trustable.

Okay, I'm good with that.

Point 2: Society needs to enact certain laws because it's just not okay to permit aggressive criminal force or to standby with indifference while criminal aggression takes place.

Okay, I'm good with that.

Point 3: I can understand a general concern over guns because a murderer or a person determined to commit mayhem can do so more with less planning, effort or difficulty.

Okay, I'm mostly good with that.

Here's the contradiction: Guns, especially those that conform to the appearance of military weapons, get more attention than older traditional firearms. I here about bans on assault weapons from pro-control folks who bother themselves to articulate or simply endorse a legislative agenda. Why are these same folks NOT making the highest priority discontinuing the supplying of civilian law enforcement with actual military weapons? This isn't standing by and accepting that a criminal can access a means to make murder easier. This IS accepting state sponsored murder.

A side issue: IMHO SWAT units should operate with independence from local municipal police and probably be separate state level units, answering to a state level executive structure.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

1. "Civilian law enforcement with actual military weapons?"

If I were a Chief of Police, my cops would choose between two models of handgun.

THIS



OR THIS

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

2. And two types of long guns.

THIS



OR THIS

[gejohnston]

9. IIRC,

the AR buying spree was after the North Hollywood bank robbery and shoot out where a couple of guys with full auto AKs were out of the range of LAPD's pistols and shotguns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Several officers also appropriated AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer. The incident sparked debate on the need for patrol officers to upgrade their firepower in preparation for similar situations in the future.[4]

If it were me, I would have grabbed a bolt action that uses a real rifle round. Even if something like, say, 7mm mag, didn't penetrate the plates, it would probably knock them to the ground.
I thought my choice of trail guns were old school.

[jmg257]

3. "This IS accepting state sponsored murder." How exactly? How does allowing LE to have auto weapons

constitute murder?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. Sale/transfer or strictly military weapons and equipment...

...such as APCs and armored vehicles sets a militaristic attitude which, IMHO, is contrary to regular police work. I'm not happy about cops having full-auto. As I said, I think the SWAT units and regular cops should be independent and have a distinct chain of command.

Over aggressive police cops have killed numerous people and it's not a good idea to outfitting them with tanks and grenades.


It also sends the wrong message to regular civilians.

[jimmy the one]

4. here here, listen up

dscntnt: Here's the contradiction: .... Why are these same folks NOT making the highest priority discontinuing the supplying of civilian law enforcement with actual military weapons? This isn't standing by and accepting that a criminal can access a means to make murder easier. This IS accepting state sponsored murder.

This is your idea of a contradiction? To allow trained law enforcement to be supplied with military weapons, whether actual or offshoots? (pun intended, perfect context).
Also, your claim that supplying cops with assault rifles is state sponsored murder, is as absurd as many of the posts you make; you could say the same about any inadvertent or un-excusable death by law enforcement by any firearm.
I don't know that ordinary cops & police ordinarily carry military style firearms such as AR15s in their squad cars, tho I could be wrong (certainly not beat cops or motorcycles). I think they are used only when called for with backup bringing them when potentially needed. It's rare cops meet a situation where semi-auto termed 'assault rifles' would need be used, & carrying them makes for greater chance of being stolen.

dscntnt: I here about bans on assault weapons from pro-control folks who bother themselves to articulate or simply endorse a legislative agenda.

I here in North Carolina today. The bells hear I here. Or VV.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

5. Yes, some do.

"I don't know that ordinary cops & police ordinarily carry military style firearms such as AR15s in their squad cars"

[Puha Ekapi]

6. Law enforcement...

...in my neck of the woods typically carry and AR15 or a Ruger mini 14 in their cars.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. re: "...your claim that supplying cops with assault rifles is state sponsored murder..."

I didn't say that.



re: "...they are used only when called for..." Agreed and I'm okay with cops carrying AR-15s and with SWAT using M-16s when needed.



re: "It's rare cops meet a situation where semi-auto termed 'assault rifles' would need be used, & carrying them makes for greater chance of being stolen." Agreed also.



re: "I here in North Carolina today. The bells hear I here. Or VV." I have no idea what that means.