Taking your AR-15 out on a dinner date really IS more dangerous than posting on DU.

[stone space]

So dangerous, in fact, that I'd run for my life if that happened in any restaurant that I was eating in.

Folks who claim that posting on DU is as dangerous as going out on a dinner date with your AR-15 are either:

(1) trying to convince you to just sit there and wait to be shot when somebody brings their AR-15 out on a dinner date with them,

or,

(2) trying to convince you that it is too dangerous to post on DU and that you should stop posting here.

Personally, given the choice between posting on DU and dining with some ammosexual and his AR-15 lover, I'll choose DU any day of the week, warts and all.

That said, comparing DU with deadly weapons is much less offensive than comparing Black folks, Gay folks, or Trans folks to deadly weapons.

At least DU isn't human, so the comparison isn't as dehumanizing as some of the others comparisons that get made here regularly.

By the way, why do we never see Straight White Males compared with deadly weapons here on DU?

Do we not look dangerous enough for such comparisons to be made?



So, which is more dangerous?

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	Dining with an ammosexual and his AR-15 lover.
	0 (0%)
	Dining with Black folks.
	0 (0%)
	Dining with Gay folks.
	0 (0%)
	Dining with Trans folks.
	1 (7%)
	Dining with an interracial couple.
	0 (0%)
	Posting on DU.
	13 (93%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[liberal N proud]

1. Have you been in GD-P lately?

[Lurks Often]

2. Voted Other, because this is a really stupid poll

[ileus]

3. Why would I carry one of the ARs when my Shield is much easier?

Hell for that matter my P220 would be easier.


Besides why would anyone call an open carried AR a weapon. Anything can be a weapon...

[stone space]

4. LOL!

Besides why would anyone call an open carried AR a weapon. Anything can be a weapon...

[Duckhunter935]

6. Yep, bombs and cars can be very effective

[Duckhunter935]

5. Why have you been scared to answer my simple question?

How many people have been killed or even wounded by an AR-15 rifle while dining at a restaurant? To have such a irrational fear that you would commit theft and leave without paying for no danger is indeed sad. Of course now with your idiot poll, you compare a legal protest, which I do not agree with with racism and homaphobia? SICK. I may not agree with the protest but I have spent 30 years to ensure people can protest as long as it is legal.

[jmg257]

7. DU is fairly benign...Anonymity can help keep you safe.

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As we all know it is very unfortunate that there are enough dumb fucks out in the real world who will purposely target interracial couples, gay folks, black folks, white folks, trans folks, &c.; scum who will treat others as less then human simply because of color, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or some identified weakness.

Sad reality that people may become victims, and sometimes for no other reason then racist hate, bigotry and ignorance.

There are various ways to deal with the dangers of being victimized.
Running for your life is certainly one option, and it has its obvious perks. Flight is a natural reaction when contemplating a perceived threat.


Anyway, irregardless of the actual danger, I wouldn't be totally comfortable around a stranger out at a restaurant with an AR...It would make me at the least...curious, and certainly a bit leery.

Has this happened to you a lot?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

8. "I wouldn't be totally comfortable"

Agreed.

[SQUEE]

12. But many are not anonymous.

Some people give out so much information that they could easily be found.

Personal photos, job description, even type of car and important dates..

[jmg257]

13. That is true. Still you'd have to have serious issues to want to chase someone down due to shit

posted on DU.

Not that it couldn't happen, mind you. Maybe it pays to show at least some civility!

[gejohnston]

33. If I saw some guy I didn't know show up with an AR in, say, Denny's

My Cooper's color code would go from yellow to orange. A lot of it would depend on how it is being carried.
that said, this would get a higher alarm

than this

[beergood]

42. your rarely given the opportunity to flee when being attacked.

"As we all know it is very unfortunate that there are enough dumb fucks out in the real world who will purposely target interracial couples, gay folks, black folks, white folks, trans folks, &c.; scum who will treat others as less then human simply because of color, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or some identified weakness."
"Sad reality that people may become victims, and sometimes for no other reason then racist hate, bigotry and ignorance."


this is why so many people choose to own/carry firearms.

[jmg257]

53. True - always good to have options!

Especially with an extra mag or 2.

[pablo_marmol]

9. SS -- have you contacted Kamala Harris for her failure to do what's in her power to do........

........to curtail gun violence? Why not?!

http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Special-Feature-K-Harris.pdf

[Eleanors38]

10. I voted posting on DU. I recall a member threatening to fart in my general direction.

Really. It happened.

[beergood]

43. did they happen to look like this?

?w=760

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

45. In your general direction.....

[beergood]

48. is there someone else up there i can talk too?

[Waldorf]

11. If I was going out to dinner I sure wouldn't be lugging my AR-15 with me. Would get in the way of me

having dinner. I would be wearing my M&P Shield 9mm though. Who knows, out tables may be been next to each other and you had no idea I was carrying.

[benEzra]

14. Last time I went out to eat, I was carrying a S&W Lady Smith.

Time before that, a FN FNS. If you were at the next table, you wouldn't have been alarmed.

An AR is way too big to conceal, which is a big reason why rifles are the least misused of all weapons. It's also heavy and bulky, in spite of the small caliber, and you can't wear it.

You do realize that the only people who ever took AR's to restaurants were a handful of clueless publicity-seekers a couple years ago, right?

What really bothers you, and what you're trying your best to criminalize, is peons like me who have an AR in the gun safe and take it to the shooting range regularly. Such horrific deeds deserve felony punishments, ja?

[DonP]

15. I have to vote for dinner with my Kimber Ultra Carry instead of one of my AR15s

Much more user friendly and it doesn't freak out all the less educated Barney Fife types that can stampede at the sound of thunder.

[oneshooter]

16. My Loving Wife and I just finished a late lunch

at a local Cracker Barrel. We both had our "little friends" with us, concealed of course. No problems, nobody screaming in fear and running out without paying for their meal.

[DonP]

18. Same thing here. Big family and friends dinner for my Dad's 93rd Birthday last Saturday

12 people from 5 years old to 93, all know I carry.

The restaurant is a sponsor of the Illinois State Rifle Assn. newsletter ... and serves a great cut of prime rib. Great old fashioned steak house, with Sinatra on the speakers and an experienced wait staff.

But, its located in what has turned into a kind of sketchy industrial park and you have to park up and down the street.

Amazingly, nobody freaked about my IWB Kimber or Dad's S&W snubbie in a Galco pocket holster I bought him, for that matter. Nobody squealed and ran away, not even the little girls.

But everyone at the table knew they were there. Funny how that works, ain't it?

(I wish I could have bailed on that check! But 93rd Birthdays only come around so often.)

[Travis_0004]

22. I could never imagine bringing a kimber out with me to dinner.

Sure, I own one. I just dont see a scenario where I would bring it with me to get dinner.

I would however bring my Dan Wesson.

[oneshooter]

23. My Loving Wife had "her" Colt Series 70 LW Commander

I was packing light with a Astra M70 in 9mm. Both loaded with JHP.

[DonP]

34. Well, it's the 3 inch compact model...

... and I have plenty of "bulk" to conceal it with a Crossbreed IWB.

But ultimately, 1911s are what I'm most comfortable with and shoot best and the Ultra Carry is about as small as they get.

I have a Colt Government Pocketlite in .380 at 12 oz. (Mini 1911) but it doesn't have the grip safety and I like that extra level of security for carry.

Nothing wrong with a Dan Wesson either.

[ManiacJoe]

17. One really has to wonder

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what part(s) of Stone Space's normal behavior suggest to normal people that he needs to be shot?
Why does he not correct that bad behavior that even he recognizes as bad?

[Marengo]

25. Now he's claiming you've declared he needs to be shot...

and whining about his failed alert of your post in the other group.

[ManiacJoe]

26. Wow. He takes reading comprehension problems to a new level.

My point was that Stone Space says Stone Space needs to be shot. I was wondering why he would say that.

The reading comprehension of the three jurors is also in question.

[Puha Ekapi]

32. Someone with a demonstrated lack of...

...of basic comprehension as well as observable low intelligence is highly unlikely to be a mathematics professor. "Quack who spews nonsense in internet forums" is probably a more accurate description.

[virginia mountainman]

19. *burp

Just had a wonderful meal at olive garden a while ago with a 45 caliber glock safely stashed away on my person...

Ar15 too big too carry around everywhere

[DonP]

20. They keep knocking over the butter dish, no manners at all

[beevul]

24. Sooner or later, those without manners get their hands slapped.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027822524

Someone rubbed even long time non-gun posters the wrong way.

Oops.

Maybe doubling down on stupid isn't such a good idea after all...

[virginia mountainman]

27. Well, he lasted a little longer than I expected..

8 hides.. WOW.

The Calculaz professor spends more time in time-out than being in good standing..

[Lurks Often]

30. AFAIK the general amnesty on time out's is still in place

There are others out there with 8 or supposedly even more hides still posting.

I used to think it was satire or performance art, but I actually think he truly believes, which is a frightening concept.

[DonP]

31. "Flagged For Review" takes a special kind of stupid and rude

But I have confidence that anyone that can get thrown off Discussionist can probably get tossed off DU.

And this guy qualifies in spades.

[Lurks Often]

37. Missed that part, that explains why he hasn't posted in over a day

[beevul]

38. The 'review' didn't last long.

Our friend is right back to attributing to others, things, sentiments, words, that they did not actually did not say, and meanings to the words others did say, which those posters obviously did not mean.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210573#post3

To me, it seems obvious, that poster has not learned anything from being in time out or under review, and refuses to behave.

[Puha Ekapi]

39. "Professor"....

...my ass. Nobody so completely divorced from logic and reason could be teaching university level math. Seriously....

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

46. From what I hear....

...it takes a special level of unreality to do well in higher education.

[Big_Mike]

58. We definitely agree.

Although he didn't like some of my verbiage when I told him so.

[DonP]

40. If he keeps it up, our genial host may need to "gently" use his rarely used hammer

They won't ever kick him out for being rude and obnoxious to gun owners. Hell, that's seen as a badge of "courage" to some folks here.

But he treats people in the Religion group the same way, so that may earn him a ticket to "Nowheresville".

In the meantime, if he keeps up the odd and aggressive behavior here, our Host may choose to step in with a 90 day suspension.

That at least, would focus his "oddness" onto another group where he will get banned for the lying and foolishness.

[virginia mountainman]

64. LOL...He is up to 9 hides now..

And still roaming free, I wonder if he has some "dirt" on someone??

[beevul]

65. That last one is some strange shit. N/T

[Lizzie Poppet]

61. Actually, all it takes is two hides over a fairly short period of time.

It's an automatic process...and the account remains on "time out" until a human admin reviews it. All it takes is a little alert swarming, and you're on time out for at least 24 hours (it usually takes several days).

[DonP]

62. Didn't know that. 2 in the same day must have triggered it

He's up to 8 hides last time I looked.

But he's big on posting the same thing in multiple groups. Must be hoping to find a kindred soul somewhere.

So if it's annoying or over the top in one, it's probably gonna piss of people in other groups too and trigger that I guess.

[Lizzie Poppet]

63. I've gotten swarmed into a couple "review" time-outs.

Okay, one was kinda earned: both posts were pretty aggressive. The other instance was pure swarming. Ah, good ol' GD: P!

[Travis_0004]

21. I have better things to do than worry about something that will never happen

Yes I realize people have brought an AR to a restaurant, but It happens just about never.

I have seen people with a handgun in line at a gas station.

I just waited behind him and when it was my turn I paid for my coffee. He has likely a cop. Or maybe he wasnt, honesty I didnt care. My assumptuon is somebody out to commit a crime wants a low profile and that doesnt include open carry.

[bvf]

28. What's really bothering you here? I sense a subtext.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. Here... have a prom picture

[pablo_marmol]

35. Oh -- you're just plain evil.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

36. It's a tough job but someone has to do it...

[beergood]

41. frikin sweet

thats how you do prom.

hell we didn't even have a dj, one of my friends had to blast his car stereo.

[TeddyR]

44. I'm thinking about gettin an AR-15

Maybe Daniel Defense or FN. Daniel Defense seems on the pricey side though.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

47. DD

Way too $$$$.

Colt - under 1K

[beergood]

49. whats you opinion

on Del-Ton ar15?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

50. The problem with 'rating' AR's

Is that so many of the components come from the same places.

The upper and lower are mostly from Cerro Forge (the key logo) and many of the components are also sourced from the same places.

Some have M4 fed ramps (is that really important????) and some have a bead blasted bolt carrier (same comment)

And all the components can be changed, swapped out, upgraded, etc.

My advice - buy what you want to own/the best you can comfortably afford. If it's a Del Ton then great.


I only own 2 guns - a Smith revolver and a Mauser bolt action.

If I were to buy an AR it would be a Colt. A shotgun - a Rem 870. A semi auto... a 1911

You get the idea.....

[beergood]

51. thanks

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

52. I actually read an article....

that criticized a certain AR for not being Parkerized under the front sight base.

Sitting in a safe, you would probably get some rust under there.....

In about 10,000 years.

Good luck.

[DonP]

54. I built all 4 of mine from forged lowers

Most have Colt parts for the upper, barrel and bolt carrier group.

FWIW, The M4 ramps are nice to have for reliable feeding.

When you build it yourself, you know all there is to know about that rifle and if it starts having a problem; FTF, FTE, double feed etc. you'll know what's wrong with it better than anybody that writes a check for one.

The trick to building one is to not have the tiny little detent springs windup in an obscure corner of your kitchen, never to be seen again until the cat pukes it up.

The basic assembly tools from Brownell's are worth their weight in gold, especially for putting the dust cover in place.

[Big_Mike]

59. Something good to look for on the military surplus sites

are the Small Arms Repair tool kits. The same tool kit is used for a guy who just lubes the buffer extension to the guy who replaces the guts of the trigger group or mounts new barrels.

[oneshooter]

57. I am getting a Ruger 556.

They stopped making the 556E for some reason. Found 2 on auction sites. One for $1200 and the other for$1400.
Too rich for my blood.

[beergood]

55. would

you dine with a homosexual who carries concealed and his lover who owns an ar15?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

60. It would make for interesting conversatioin.

Of course I would.

[gejohnston]

56. My AR left me

for a mall ninja/hipster who likes Starbucks. What can I say, I would have to get the one that is a Holland and Holland wantabe who thinks snails and fish eggs are proper food, and overpriced colored water is "coffee". It thought it was too good for cowboy coffee, beans, and chili with the lever action and I. The lever action even scarfs my hardtack.

[DonP]

66. Gotta be a new record. Now up to 10 hides and still going strong!

Now he's being his "charming self" in Religion and trying to make every Religion and GD post he can find about guns.

Serious obsession at work there.

Funny, he's spending time in Bansalot now, not here "discussing" his posts? Wonder why?

[beevul]

67. No names or it might be seen as a callout...

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You come into this group and others with your obsession about guns and killing. I' m not the only person who's sick of you dropping it in wherever you like - however irrelevant. The smiley was a comment on your gun fetish and your awkward way of posting which turns most threads into a discussion of you, your obsessions, your devoutedly-Catholic wife and your imagined slights against her and your desire to turn every thread into a meta discussion about how cruel the world is to you and yours.

You have no sense of humour, little self-awareness and no idea of what's going on around you most of the time. There is an irony (lost to you but certainly not to others) in the fact that when someone posts something that actually is a comment on you, you completely fail to see it.

By the way, I find your continued use of the term "ammosexual" to be insulting to people who are victims of bigotry because of their sexuality.

Incidentally I live in a country in which we rarely see gun worship. I've never even seen a gun and have no desire to play with them like many of your fellow Americans. The idea that I might be a gun-worshipper is even more ridiculous than most of your other ideas.

That was posted in response to him in the religion forum, in a thread that got a hide.

[DonP]

68. I saw that, so it's not just us that thinks there's a cog or two missing on his gears.

[Lurks Often]

69. I wish I was that eloquent, that was a very good verbal beatdown