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Related: About this forumMan whose gun discharged at swim lesson faces misdemeanor
Lloyd Simms, 41, turned himself in to the Charleston Police Department Saturday morning, said Chief of Detectives Steve Cooper.
Jackie Kay, of Charleston, whose 17-year-old daughter was giving the lesson, said the incident happened at the Gorman PE Building on the UC campus during a swim lesson. Kay’s daughter was in the pool with several children while parents were around the pool watching.
“This man was sitting not two feet away and his gun went off,” Kay said. “She said he had a huge hole in his pocket.
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marble falls
(62,058 posts)this was good news that could have been very bad news.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)He should be charged at the level of a Federal Crime. Period.
Lucky for him he wasn't black... Where is equal justice?
See::
New York (CNN) -- Former NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress was released from a New York prison Monday after serving 20 months on a weapons charge stemming from a shooting incident (accidental discharge) at a nightclub.
The former New York Giants player accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol he was carrying in his waistband. The incident occurred in November 2008, in the VIP area of the Latin Quarter nightclub in Manhattan.
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Plaxico shot himself in the leg - that should be punishment enough, right? Nope. 20 months in prison.
marble falls
(62,058 posts)how many mothers and siblings have been shot by children lately? A lot and way too many. Just in case it raises a question: ONE is too damn many.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)Plaxico's charges were from New York State which had/has jurisdiction. Any charges regarding accidental or negligent firing of a gun would be state based charges unless those incidents take place on federal land or on or within a federally operated facility. The levels of offenses are felony, misdemeanor and summary.
Federal offenses generally have relevance to actions over which the federal government has jurisdiction. Kidnapping becomes a federal offense if interstate activity is involved. Mail fraud is always a federal offense as the US Post Office is under federal jurisdiction.
Most states have laws for negligence with guns and this guy should get his day in court.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....did not have a license to carry in the jurisdiction in which he was arrested.
New York.
Major problem.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)See::
New York (CNN) -- Former NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress was released from a New York prison Monday after serving 20 months on a weapons charge stemming from a shooting incident (accidental discharge) at a nightclub.
The former New York Giants player accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol he was carrying in his waistband. The incident occurred in November 2008, in the VIP area of the Latin Quarter nightclub in Manhattan.
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Plaxico shot himself in the leg - that should be punishment enough, right? Nope. 20 months in prison.
The 20-month sentence that Plaxico Burress received was the result of a plea bargain for illegal possession of a handgun in New York City, possibly the most restrictive jurisdiction in the nation when it comes to firearms. The minimum is supposed to be 3 1/2 years. The incident wasn't even reported to police at first; in fact, the hospital colluded by not reporting the gunshot wound as they are required to do by law. When word of the incident leaked out, Burress was arrested and prosecuted at the insistence of Mayor Michael "Stop-and-Frisk" Bloomberg, the champion of gun controllers everywhere and bankroller of "Everytown for Gun Safety."
That's justice for you.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)unless he was a prohibited person. The federal law you are thinking of applied only to K-12 and was struck down over twenty years ago because it violated the tenth amendment.
I didn't see race mentioned, but we are much less of a racist society and more of a classist society, as the Ray Rice and Shaneen Allen cases shows. Or at least that one New Jersey DA, since it was he same guy.
ileus
(15,396 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....a Glock in the 'nutzak' they sew into the front of surfboard shorts.
It slipped due to plenty of extra space.
And he grabbed for it as it fell.
BOOM.
Orrex
(64,103 posts)How does a gun discharge? I was under the impression that guns are innocent and harmless machines that only inflict harm when fired by bad people (who aren't prevented from doing so by good people with guns).
Can it be that a gun is capable of discharging on its own? Wouldn't that mean that guns do kill people?
Or is this yet another in an extremely long list of gun-crazed assholes who shouldn't have access to anything more dangerous than Nerf ball? Someone tell me why this criminally negligent fool should be permitted to carry an implement of murder?
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Ban HAND GUNS NOW!!
Rifles, shotguns.. let those stay legal.. hard to conceal.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I like to argue that people who make policy read political websites such as DU to 'take the pulse' of public opinion.
In this case, hopefully, not so much.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...in real world politics as they noise levels might indicate.
IOW, they tend to be all show and no go.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....cut and paste a lot.
And call people nutjobs if they have different opinions.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Answer: Nutjobs with handguns -who else? Nutjobs with flashlights? Nope.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)bad guys.
They will use anything that hurts.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)are the bad guys with handguns..
Do I really have to explain that simple deduction to you?
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Because I can hear you just fine.
THE ONLY bad guys killing people WITH HANDGUNS
I'm not a bad guy, and I don't kill people.
"Do I really have to explain that simple deduction to you?"
No, but next time just hit me in the head with a shovel. It would be a more subtle approach.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)The only people killing people with handguns are people with handguns.. Insert "bad guy" in place of "people" and the deduction is still the same.
Handguns are doing the killing - people without handguns are not killing people with handguns. Okay, I had to explain it to you.. How stupid...
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...that people are getting so nasty.
Yes, logically, you could certainly say that it is necessary to have a handgun in order to kill someone with a handgun.
No argument.
No, handguns are not doing the killing. People with them are doing the killing. The handgun is the tool.
Hammers don't build nice houses or ugly houses. They are just used to hammer nails.
No, I'm not dense.
So what do you propose, instead of just raging online?
Would you like some contact information to become a firearms safety instructor?
vkkv
(3,384 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)If you do, you're part of a minority amongst those of your viewpoint.
Gun owners tend to do all four of these at a much, much higher rate-
and that's why your mooted handgun ban will not happen in the foreseeable future
vkkv
(3,384 posts)of those at a "high rate".
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Only by pulling trigger.
NO they are not. They don't "just go off", especially handguns.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)"""Simms, who has a concealed carry permit, was carrying a Springfield Arms XDM .40-caliber handgun in his back pants pocket. """
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)leaves the trigger exposed to objects that can snag the trigger and "pull" it.
ileus
(15,396 posts)While guns are designed to save lives, like any other machine they have to be properly used.
packman
(16,296 posts)but it's a shame that that discharge only caused a hole in his pocket rather than making him incapable of spawning any more progeny.
theatre goon
(87 posts)...yet you are here expressing a fantasy in which someone gets very seriously injured.
Just how does that work...?
A rhetorical question, of course. You provided the answer in your original comment.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....so we can live in a peaceful world.
Weird.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)
underpants
(186,644 posts)but yet so far
underpants
(186,644 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)I'm pro rights as anyone, but your post made me laugh.
If you're going to carry a gun, please do not fiddle with the trigger. These firearms don't go off without booger hook to trigger contact.