Can I have a gun or two without hoping to oppose the government?

[catnhatnh]

Could I just have them to protect myself under color of law? I have several which is a right as established in the constitution as the right to vote. When people who were my friends were being killed in southeast Asian jungles you liked the idea that I carried what you now call an automatic weapon. Now 45 years later I carry a gun that in those years would be a joke.Can a crippled old man carry an instrument of death??? You let me do it before I was twenty-In fact if I refused you would have jailed me. You're hypocrisy is endless. My guns were what-OK when pointed away, but an assault when my judgement is directed toward defending myself???

I am every 60 year old Vietnam Vet You dislike. Our asses hung out and our contemporaries got killed. I will tell you no stories but your gunphobia is total bullshit until no 18 year old stands in a fucking country not of his birth with a weapon that would make you nervous.

That is my answer to anyone "against" guns-It matters when you have the fucking balls to tell your government that they cannot put a better weapon than I have in the hands of an 18 year old.

[HassleCat]

1. Odd, isn't it?

They made me pack the heat, playing cop with no training, to discourage the petty thieves who stole car stereos from the base parking lot. Now they don' want me to be armed to discourage young men who like to beat up nd robe old men. Ah, well. Times change, I guess.

[stone space]

2. You seem to be making some assumptions here.

You let me do it before I was twenty-In fact if I refused you would have jailed me.

No I didn't.

I'm pretty sure that I was still in high school then.

I was thrown in jail some time later for blocking the Federal Courthouse in Des Moines during the Gary Eklund Draft Registration Trial, though.

My guns were what-OK when pointed away

No, they weren't. If somebody told you that, they were wrong.

Just like when the NRA tells you that guns are OK, today.

The NRA is wrong, as well.

I am every 60 year old Vietnam Vet You dislike.

I don't dislike 60 year old Vietnam Vets.

That is my answer to anyone "against" guns-It matters when you have the fucking balls to tell your government that they cannot put a better weapon than I have in the hands of an 18 year old.

I fully and wholeheartedly support "Hammer on Gun Crime".

You don't need guns to oppose the government.

Hammers can be helpful at times, though.

IN THE KING OF PRUSSIA: THE TRIAL OF THE PLOWSHARES 8

Published on Apr 9, 2013

IN THE KING OF PRUSSIA: THE TRIAL OF THE PLOWSHARES 8 takes us back to 1982 with Emile de Antonio's portrayal of the Plowshares 8 civic disobedience at General Electric's nuclear weapons plant in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. The group included Molly Rush, co-founder of the Merton Center. Posting of this cliip celebrates the April 13 visit of Martin Sheen, who plays the judge in the movie, to Pittsburgh, Pa and the Thomas Merton Center. YOU CAN'T HUG A CHILD WITH NUCLEAR ARMS!!!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

5. You are the one making assumptions

I don't think this post was addressed to you.
I don't think that the author of this OP is interested in watching your movie without some idea of why it has any relevance.
I surely don't.

[stone space]

6. Not addressed to me?

I don't think this post was addressed to you.

From the OP:

That is my answer to anyone "against" guns

I'm pretty sure that I'm against guns.

I wouldn't be an advocate of Hammer on Gun Crime if I wasn't.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. hammer all you like

The essential irrelevance of what you say only becomes more obvious with every reply.

Did it ever occur to you that suggestions on changes to current laws might be needed to actually accomplish anything you want?

Perhaps discussing those changes might be a good idea.

[Marengo]

15. What is this "Hammer on Gun Crime" you are referencing?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. apparently JABF

'Just another brain fart'...
...from the bansexual camp.

[Puha Ekapi]

29. So, let me ask you again...

Are you opposed to civilian ownership of firearms?

[Waldorf]

9. Guns are ok. Not only are they ok but they are one of our exclusive rights. If you don't want to

exercise that right, that's fine with me. I and millions like me will.

[jonno99]

10. Yes - he was speaking to you - if you have the mindset of which he derided. No,

he wasn't speaking to you if you are tolerant (or at least sympathetic) of his position.

It's not that hard to figure out; it's like the old saying: if the shoe fits, wear it...

[Marengo]

18. I take it your weren't of age to serve during the Vietnam conflict?

[stone space]

20. I don't do guns. (nt)

[Marengo]

21. That isn't an answer to the question.

[benEzra]

24. That's totally fine.

It's when you want to force other citizens to live by your own choices that we have a disagreement.

[stone space]

25. So I have to support war? I'm not allowed to oppose war?

It's when you want to force other citizens to live by your own choices that we have a disagreement.

I'm not allowed to oppose militarism?

Why not?

[DonP]

26. No, but your desparate need to force others to obey your wishes is way off base

Oppose all the wars you want to in any way you choose.

But when you start demanding that everybody see and enforce gun control your way, that's a bit totalitarian for some folks taste.

[benEzra]

30. Threatening to put your fellow citizens in cages because they live differently than you

*is* militarism of a sort, just aimed at your neighbor instead of somebody in a foreign country, IMO.

Advocating to change what troops do or do not do abroad, or opposing excessive LE use of force here at home, doesn't compel your neighbor to live by your beliefs. But threatening to put your neighbor in a cage because she or he peaceably chooses differently than you on gun ownership certainly does.

I don't care how you live your life; just live it to the fullest, and don't harm others.

[beevul]

32. It isn't just your opinion, its a fact Ben.

Threatening to put your fellow citizens in cages because they live differently than you*is* militarism of a sort, just aimed at your neighbor instead of somebody in a foreign country, IMO.

It isn't just your opinion, its a fact Ben.

Culture war.

[Marengo]

31. Why the evasion? A simple yes or no is all that's needed...

Or do you have something to hide?

[beevul]

35. Only his posts...

Or do you have something to hide?

Only his posts.

[ileus]

3. Everyone has the right to life saving devices we call firearms.

You can have one or two for self defense, or 500 and all the ammo you can afford. But I'm progressive that way, I don't mind your business, or try and limit your rights.

Thank you for your service...and carry on. It's your moral obligation to protect yourself....carry on.

[stone space]

4. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

life saving devices we call firearms

[jonno99]

11. Do you think the president's secret service detail carries firearms

for the purpose of scratching their backs?

Oh, you say it's for his protection? What are they protecting (saving)? His life obviously.

You connect the dots...

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. I'm pretty sure they've switched to cans of beans and bike wheels.

[gejohnston]

8. This Canadian anarchist

is full of shit about most things, but this he gets right.

[jonno99]

12. And there you have it. I suspect (though I could be wrong), that many of the

anti-gunners would experience an ecstasy rivaling sexual pleasure to see the govt. round up all of the folks they deride as "ammo-sexuals".

[stone space]

13. Some have been rounded up already.

to see the govt. round up all of the folks they deride as "ammo-sexuals".

You do realize that Ammosexuals don't like being called that, don't you?

It hurts the little fee-fees of the Delicate Flowers.

[jonno99]

16. My question is: who experiences the greater pleasure?

A) those who own firearms for the purpose of personal protection, hunting, or simple target shooting.
B) those who love the prospect of the govt jack boot coming down on the necks of those who who won't submit

You seem to want to equate those in group A with those who are breaking the law. And, as I alluded to previously, I suspect that the folks who label those with whom they disagree on the 2A as "ammosexuals", are actually projecting their own sexual fantasies (let's call them "GovtControlSexuals&quot . Its kind of sad really.

Btw - I don't know what the bottom two videos are depicting, they seem to be important to you however...

[stone space]

19. See here:

Btw - I don't know what the bottom two videos are depicting, they seem to be important to you however...

Some Ammosexual upset about folks sending him Dildos instead of Snacks. (Although I understand that some of the Dildos were edible, so I'm not sure what his complaint realty is.)

His name is Jon Ritzheimer, and he's in a Federal Prison at the moment.

You can read about his antics over here in the Religion Forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218201385

[jonno99]

22. Thanks for the info (I don't keep up on the nutcases). My guess however, is that the

GovtControlSexuals had a happy ending to see him get his.

And again, I hope you don't think it is legitimate to lump all supporters of the 2A in with this guy - do you?

[gejohnston]

28. you know what the odd thing about the top photo is?

The guy doesn't have a rifle. He has a Sagia 12 shotgun based on the Kalashnikov design. The BLM is out of his range. Assuming he were to hit anyone, he would probably hit the protesters. That is one of the things that puzzles me about the two photos of this guy.

[benEzra]

33. He posed for the news photographer, maybe?

Wouldn't be the first time.

[gejohnston]

34. could be,

even if he had a rifle, he had a clearer shot at the pro Bundy protesters, or one of their horses.

[jonno99]

17. +100 k&r - And thank you very much for your service. If ever we meet the drinks are on me.

[Eleanors38]

27. Thank you for your post. I actively opposed the Vietnam War...

...and advocated for peaceful change on all fronts of social change. When I met up with a HS classmate after he served a tour in Vietnam, he reassured me: Keep doing what you're doing.