Shouldn't This Be Two Different Groups?

[Grassy Knoll]

Gun control vs Right to Keep...Seems so conflict of interest.
Is their a pro gun group here that i'm missing?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

1. The group is about the right vs control issue n/t

[pablo_marmol]

2. "Is their a pro gun group here that i'm missing?"

No, but given the fact that gun restriction has it's own protected group, RKBA supporting Dems should have one as well.

Perhaps some day it will happen.

[SecularMotion]

3. Giving the gun nuts their own group would just encourage them to spew RW opinion

I don't think DU should accommodate views on the gun issue that are more in line with Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Self-defense is a basic human right. It's the candidate's responsibility to align with that fact.

Unless you somehow think politics trumps human rights.

[SecularMotion]

7. I expect Hillary Clinton will be our next President

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Okay, but as president she would still obligated to defend the Constitution, including the 2A

and as a human being she's obligated to defend human rights.

[SecularMotion]

9. The 2nd Amendment is not unlimited

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited...". It is "...not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

"We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time". We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.' "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172187099

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. I'm not aware of anyone petitioning to allow felons and those adjudicated mentally ill to own guns.

But I see lots of Controllers trying to ban weapons in common use (a sentiment expressed by your avatar, for instance).

[Press Virginia]

11. They pretend to be the reasonable ones

while arguing against things no one is arguing for.

In the end, none...not a single one, of their "common sense" measures would have prevented the murders or crimes committed by people with guns. Sooner or later they will have to come clean and admit their "common sense" approaches are really about taking rights away from everyone

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. They should ask themselves why, if their cause is so noble, it has to hide behind lies.

[Press Virginia]

15. SM is too busy pretending we're Australia or Great Britian

to be honest about what he really desires

[SecularMotion]

13. So the only solution is to ban guns altogether?

Americans who exercise their right to bear arms are a minority in this country and the ones who don't understand the need for gun regulations are an even smaller minority.

When the United States passes laws with firearm restrictions like the UK and Australia, gun nuts will only have themselves to blame for not promoting responsible gun use and ownership.

[Press Virginia]

14. Which gun restrictions would have prevented

Any of the mass shootings or murders in the last 100 years?

You want the elimination of the 2A rights GUARANTEED in the constitution.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. Americans who require 1A protections are an extreme minority but the 1A isn't about

protecting speech that is popular.

Not that Controllers have much respect for the 1A, either (or the 4A or the 5A or any other right that proves inconvenient).

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. Here's a tip on your "tipping point"

You're dreaming.

[TeddyR]

20. What on earth makes you think that the US will ever pass firearm laws similar to those

In the UK or Australia? Congress can't even pass UBCs, which have broad public support. There's very little support for any sort of handgun ban:

A Gallup poll released today shows that the vast majority of Americans do not believe that handgun ownership should be limited to “authorized” persons like police or other law enforcement officials.

Only 27% of Americans say they support this type of ban (with 72% opposing); additionally, 43% of Americans say they have a gun somewhere in the home, with 28% saying they own one personally.

According to the poll, a majority of Americans haven't favored a handgun ban since around 1968 or so.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/gallup-americans-dont-support-a-handgun-ban/

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. Maybe he's hoping for a "strong man" to come along and make the world right.

He looks kinda Putin-ish, doncha think?

[TeddyR]

22. Now that you mention it

He does look a little Putin-ish!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. They probably emerged from the same cloning vat.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. I infer this mischaracterization sums up your opinion of fellow DU members...

...first amendment rights.

[ileus]

4. There is a banner group, but this is as close as you get for progressive 2Aers

[Duckhunter935]

5. it is soooo busy there, lol

[linuxman]

19. There is a group for the banners.

It's pretty slow in the ol' hugbox of indignation these days, though.

This is the defacto pro-gun group, whether the pearl clutchers like it or not. If you ignore the drive-by spammings, it's actually pretty decent.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Should "Of Mice and Men" be two different books? Movies? Plays?