FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

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FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

By Shawn Ley - Reporter

Posted: 6:45 PM, February 05, 2016

Updated: 9:21 PM, February 05, 2016

In conversation's between Abu-Rayyan and the undercover agent, Abu-Rayyan described his desire to commit a martyrdom operation.

The complaint filed in federal court doesn’t specify which Detroit church he was allegedly planning to attack, only that it was close and could seat 6,000 members.

The complaint quotes Abu-Rayyan saying:

“It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would've heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. If I can't do jihad in the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here."

He had also told the undercover agent that a church would be an easy target because people are not allowed to carry guns there and that it would make the news.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/dearborn-heights-isis-supporter-planned-to-attack-detroit-church

(bolding mine)

I think we can lay to rest, the debate of whether or not those with bad intentions evaluate potential targets using "gun free" as one of their criteria.

Comments?

[JonathanRackham]

1. I see a couple of town cops in church every week

They're there with their families. I hope they're carrying a concealed firearm in the current world we're living in.

[pablo_marmol]

3. Honest curiosity.........

Do you live in a state that allows citizens the right of concealed carry? (shall-issue licensing)

If so, when you're anywhere in public do you hope a citizen or two are carrying a concealed firearm in the current world we're living in?

[JonathanRackham]

4. Permits required.

Given the religious tensions that have been in the news, and otherwise international cultural tensions I think it's an idea that should be considered.

FWIW, I worked on a farm as a kid. Doors were never locked. Now meth makers steal ammonia and people walk in and steal stuff. Things that people say only happened in the cities happen rural now. There's a lot of ground for police to travel so response times are expected to be long.

[pablo_marmol]

6. Ah.

My sister and I represent the first generation of "urbanites" from both my Dad & Mom's sides of the families. Dad........tiny farm town, and immigrants before, and Mom --- very small German town and immigrants prior. (She was born here, grew up in Germany during the war.)

By virtue of the fact that I got a fairly good taste of the very tough farm life Dad grew up in, I never developed the contempt that so many of my fellow lefties hold for rural Americans........nor the loathing of guns.

But I noticed that you didn't respond to my last sentence. Not trying to be argumentative.......just trying to nail down your belief system vis-a-vis concealed carry. Lots of folks on the left draw a (largely) non-existent contrast between law enforcement carry and citizen carry.

[JonathanRackham]

7. Sorry, completing the answer.

I take no exception to it and wouldn't mind providing the non law enforcement person is well grounded and has experience and education in what they're doing. In the winter we carry emergency gear in our cars, just another piece of gear. Someone pointed out that the acceptance or rejection of how we view firearms is a cultural thing.

[shadowrider]

2. Dearbornistan

Where Christians are not welcome. There are more there, he just got caught.

[stone space]

8. "Dearbornistan"? Here, let me google that for you.

Dearbornistan

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dearbornistan

All I get is a bunch of right wing websites, along with a link to snopes.com.

What do you see?

[GGJohn]

9. Way to totally miss the point,

but that's typical.

[stone space]

10. Is there a place called "Dearbornistan" by anybody but far right Tea Party types?

I lived in Southfield for 3 years, and never heard of anyplace called "Dearbornistan".

Certainly, there was no place by that name close by.

[GGJohn]

11. Gee, I don't know,

is it proper to run out of a restaurant and not pay your bill because of someone following the law?

[stone space]

12. Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez would probably say, "no".

Gee, I don't know,

is it proper to run out of a restaurant and not pay your bill because of someone following the law?

She'd probably call folks like us who flee from her guns "thieves", just like you do.

It's easy to demonize folks who flee for their lives.

But such labels as "thief" and "shoplifter" would no doubt make her feel better about shooting at the folks who flee for their lives.

And when ammosexuals use terms like that, the purpose is intimidation.

It's an attempt by the NRA and their minions to make unarmed civilians afraid to run for our lives, out of fear of being labeled "thieves" and potentially being shot for our supposed crimes.

The intent is to make us feel like targets should we choose to run for our lives.

We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Woman Who Shot At Fleeing Home Depot Shoplifters Gets Probation, Gun Rights Revoked

ROCHESTER HILLS (WWJ/AP) – A 46-year-old customer who shot at shoplifters fleeing a Home Depot in metro Detroit has been sentenced to probation.

Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, of Clarkston, was sentenced Wednesday in Rochester Hills District Court to 18 months probation after pleading no-contest to reckless discharge of a gun. During that time, she is prohibited from buying, possessing or carrying a firearm. The judge also revoked Duva-Rodriguez’s license to carry a concealed weapon. She won’t eligible to apply again until 2023.

Duva-Rodriguez opened fire in the parking lot of the Auburn Hills Home Depot, flattening a tire on the thieves’ SUV in October.

According to police, Duva-Rodriguez was watching as 52-year-old Lloyd Wenn exited the store with a cart full of merchandise. Wenn was being followed by a store employee, who was trying to stop him because the items were not paid for. Wenn got into the getaway vehicle, driven by 46-year-old Anthony Harris, and began to flee when Duva-Rodriguez took action and fired at least three times.

Duva-Rodriguez was licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but she wasn’t being threatened by the shoplifters. Prosecutor Jessica Cooper called the shooting “disturbing.”

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http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/12/09/woman-who-shot-at-fleeing-home-depot-shoplifters-faces-90-days-in-jail/

[GGJohn]

13. So she wasn't shooting at a law abiding citizen was she/

And now she'll face the consequences of her idiocy.
But again, why is it proper to flee an establishment without paying your bill when there's no threat of violence?

[Duckhunter935]

19. was she in a restaurant and

Open carrying? Seems like you and another are so paranoid that you would commit theft. As a calculus professor you should just run the numbers and the percentage of restaurant guests killed by open carry persons. If you do not then, yes in my opinion, you are paranoid and that is not an attack. It is just the facts from the numbers.

[stone space]

20. Is it a clip or a magazine?

was she in a restaurant and

Open carrying?

Folks around here are calling us thieves, knowing full well that there are other ammosexuals out there who feel entitled to shoot thieves.

I can't see any reason for such obsessive and repeated labeling of innocent people who run for their lives as "thieves", except for the purposes of demonization and putting targets on our backs, and to make us feel afraid to run away and flee for our lives.

[Duckhunter935]

22. is it a clip or magazine?

Depends on the weapon. M1's use clips and a Roger SR40C uses a magazine. I fail to see why you keep posting that but do as you want.

Why would you be running for your life? So far you have not answered my question of how many have been killed in the USA by a person practicing open carry where legal to do so. Easiest way to prevent any situation is not be so paranoid and not commit theft and pay your bill, so that server can get a paycheck for services provided just like you, right? Should that server and restaurant owner also deserve to be paid like you for services rendered?

[stone space]

23. LEAVE MY PERSONAL FINANCES OUT OF IT, GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!

I know you like getting that public paycheck for your work

[Duckhunter935]

24. fine, edited post for you

Do you think that server and restaurant owner should be paid? Theft is a bad thing and impacts their personal finances right? I think is services are provided, they should be paid, you do not it seems. Fuck their personal finances

[shadowrider]

14. Nice try

Thanks for playing.

As was pointed out to you by GGJohn, you completely, and probably willingly, missed the point.

As an aside, I went to Waffle House this morning for breakfast. I had my usual, 2 eggs over medium, sausage, grits, toast, small tomato juice and coffee. Two open carriers were there when I walked in. After I finished my meal, I paid the bill, and left my usual 50% tip. I never once felt threatened.

[stone space]

15. I've never heard of Dearbornistan. Where is it located?

Can you show me on a map?

[DonP]

16. Why are you using an ethnic slur on DU?

[stone space]

17. The poster who I am replying to claims that such a place exists.

Why are you using an ethnic slur on DU?

What is it exactly that you consider an ethnic slur?

And where did this ethnic slur first come up in this thread?

[DonP]

18. Not an excuse for repeating it

Islamaphobia isn't tolerated on DU and with your track record for hides, not a good idea

[stone space]

21. What have I said that you consider islamophobic?

Not an excuse for repeating it

Islamaphobia isn't tolerated on DU and with your track record for hides, not a good idea

Or is this just another lie?

[Duckhunter935]

26. read his post

Reading is fundamental

[Duckhunter935]

25. good for you

I always tip heavy. I do not advocate committing theft like some. I have never felt threatened by a person lawfully practicing open carry with a holstered firearm.

[shadowrider]

27. Thanks

I'm working now and when I go out to eat I always try and talk to the server, male or female, to find out what their situation is.

If they're someone who lost a job and is working to provide for their family, and maybe work two jobs to do it, my tip goes up in proportion.

In any event, I always try and tip at least 30%.

[stone space]

28. So where is "Dearbornistan", anyway?

Can you show me on a map?

[shadowrider]

29. How many meals have you run out on and not paid for

Because someone was exercising a right?

[stone space]

30. Where is "Dearbornistan"? You made the claim, not me. (nt)

[shadowrider]

31. Dear Mr/Mrs./Ms Stone Space

or whatever you identify as, you'll not draw me in. You have a penchant for assuming threats where none exist, you have a penchant for not answering questions directly asked of you, and now you demand what you, personally, won't deliver.

I won't be held to a different standard.

Good Day to you.

[stone space]

32. Dear Islamaphobe. Where is "Dearbornistan"?

Note to jurors: Please see here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172186628#post2

[Eleanors38]

5. Another goddam CelebroPunk looking for invitations. He needs warehousing.