Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWhy the US love affair with guns concerns us all – and 25 curious facts
This is an issue that clearly needs to be addressed. In a country with more than 300 million firearms, there were at least 13,381 firearm deaths in 2015. Its relevance, though, in the lives of most Europeans seems, at first, to be nothing more than macabre fascination. What does Americas love affair with the gun have to do with us?
Certainly, there are major differences in cultural and legal approaches. Irelands government accepts what the US struggles to that gun control works. Recent changes in the firearms law testify to this, with Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald saying: I am determined to prevent any proliferation of handgun availability in Ireland. And while many of the civilians who own an estimated 300,000 guns in Ireland might find the current laws too strict to their liking, few acknowledge the US model is one to be copied. As one Irish firearms dealer said, they wanted nothing to do with US gun culture for whenever the subject was brought up it ended up discrediting law-abiding gun owners in Ireland.
But even if you are not a gun owner, the US gun debate should concern people beyond Americas shores. The fact that many gun sales can be conducted there without background checks has profound international consequences. This was most directly felt in Ireland at the height of the Troubles when many of the IRAs guns came from the United States. US-made AR-18s and AR-10s were common some even smuggled over in coffins.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/why-the-us-love-affair-with-guns-concerns-us-all-and-25-curious-facts-1.2526747
ileus
(15,396 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)By posting this in GD violating the SOP and his guidance. Sad thing.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)one of them by a certain logical person asking why you whine so much, he's done that to me also, seems he has nothing better to do.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027593122
DonP
(6,185 posts)I wonder if you can actually get blocked from GD and still be on DU?
Stranger things have been happening lately.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Blocked from GD for SOP violations, always a first
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)...to block a member from any of the main forums. Since the main forums act as umbrellas for universal discussion (respecting any SOP restrictions) rather than as safe havens like some groups, there's no real reason to setup a means to block someone from a main forum.
I imagine an admin may be able to do this but I infer that the member would likely just be PPRed.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Now you're just trying to cheer us all up.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)I considered the thought of 'saying something to cheer you all up". This led me to wonder why you would need to be cheered up, here, in the place where the RKBA and gun-control is discussed. Why would pro-gun folks need to be cheered up? For 20 years at least violence and murder rates have been dropping, the useless AWB was recognized for what it was, useless, every state has some form CC, the DC handgun ban is gone, several states have even joined Vermont in permitless CC...
Okay, you win, I've wasted half a cup of coffee trying to figure out why you would need cheering up. You stumped the band.
Maybe the cat barfed in your sock drawer...
DonP
(6,185 posts)Smart assery doesn't always translate well online. My bad.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)...as tongue-in-cheek as my remarks.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Pointing out SOP violations by a host iswhining, who knew
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and those select fire AR18s were not purchased legally. BTW, most of their illegal guns seem to be Eastern European in origin.
Did this inspire the author's screed?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dublin-boxing-weigh-shooting-victim-7326217
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)Curious facts about some curious facts:
1: There are almost a billion guns in the world. About a third of those guns are controlled by governments across the globe.
3: Home to just 14% of the worlds population, Latin America accounts for 42 per cent of all firearm-homicides worldwide. This is obviously the fault of their laws (which heavily control or ban firearms) and has nothing to do with drug trade and gang activity.
4: Alaska has a firearm suicide rate 700 per cent higher than New Jersey. Is there any data comparing the non-firearm rates of suicide? That suicide rate wouldn't involve living somewhere with very high costs, much longer periods of darkness and higher rates of season affective disorder and the influence of friends and neighbors moods during those dark months.
14: German snipers in the second World War got wristwatches after 50 kills; a hunting rifle after 100; 150 kills won a hunting trip with Heinrich Himmler. The reward to NVA snipers for GySgt C N Hathcock was $30,000 in the mid 1960s.
20: Only nine states in the US prevent people jailed for stalking from, once released, purchasing a gun. Maybe that's the case for stalking specifically but offenses which get you over 1 year of jail time will add you to the NICS prohibited list.
22: At almost 130,000, there are about 10 times the number of federally licensed firearms dealers in the US than McDonalds. Obama's recent EAs seem to be aimed at increasing that number.
23: At the end of the Cold War as much as 2.5 million tons of ammunition and as many as 7 million small arms and light weapons were left behind in at least 184 depots in Ukraine. Seems like a situation that could benefit an opportunist.
24: In 2006 the UN reported that a quarter of the $4 billion annual global gun trade was illegal. They may want to speak to some of those countries in their security council about that.
25: At one point over 300,000 Afghan warriors in the 1980s carried weapons provided by the CIA. Are you picking on that fine Democrat, Charlie Wilson?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...that the citizenry of some countries, esp. those facing gangs and insurgencies with enough power to challenge government authority, may look to liberalization of gun prohibitions as a viable way to defend themselves.