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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:27 PM Jan 2016

The prohibitionists have yet another truthiness problem:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210284

Yet another study refutes the notion that guns make anyone safe.

I'll leave the citation-free argument from authority to the disinterested reader, my
interest lies in the last line from the OP

More guns, more dead women. Period.


hence my reply to their x-post in the Women's Rights & Issues group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11388712#post1

"More guns, more dead women. Period." Wrong- the number of women murder victims decreased...

...both in rate *and* absolute number over the last 15 years, all while the number of guns in
the US nearly doubled:

There were 3,076 women murdered in the US in 2000- source:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2000/table2-4_vicrace00.xls

143.4 women in the US in 2000-source:

https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-9.pdf

Rate: 1 in 46,619

There were 2,715 women murdered in the US (that number includes victims of unknown sex)
in 2014- source:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_1_murder_victims_by_race_ethnicity_and_sex_2014.xls


161,979,384 women in the US in 2014- source:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Rate: 1 in 59,661

A decision to obtain (or not) a gun should be made for real reasons, not ficticious ones.


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The prohibitionists have yet another truthiness problem: (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 OP
Crazy is as crazy does... Human101948 Jan 2016 #1
Interesting graph. Perhaps you could post an OP about it. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #2
Citation please Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #3
If ever I organize a dodgeball team, I'll solicit gun control advocates as members friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #4
That or a track team Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #5
They're just following the sage advice of King Arthur: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #6
You can debate all you want about how many angels can dance on the head of firing pin... Human101948 Jan 2016 #9
Again, a perfectly suitable subject for an OP. Meanwhile, you're still trying to threadjack...poorly friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #13
Got a cite for that? Straw Man Jan 2016 #15
Fucking priceless. Bookmarked. beevul Jan 2016 #7
Emoji boy strikes again! Human101948 Jan 2016 #10
not sure Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11
Sorry, I missed what you said... beevul Jan 2016 #12
Meh-it's not as if *you'll* come up with an effective (or even relevant) response to the OP friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #14
"Yet another study..." Heh. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #8
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
2. Interesting graph. Perhaps you could post an OP about it.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

In the meantime, did you have any comment about the OP?

You lot seem to be quite good at dodging inconvenient discussions-perhaps
you could offer up something to show that this stereotype has no basis in reality...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
4. If ever I organize a dodgeball team, I'll solicit gun control advocates as members
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jan 2016

FSM knows they possess the necessary skillset...

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
9. You can debate all you want about how many angels can dance on the head of firing pin...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

but the fact is we have a gun obsession unlike any other country--

I’ve been researching gun violence—and what can be done to prevent it—in the U.S. for 25 years. The fact is that if NRA claims about the efficacy of guns in reducing crime were true, the U.S. would have the lowest homicide rate among industrialized nations instead of the highest homicide rate (by a wide margin).

The U.S. is by far the world leader in the number of guns in civilian hands. The stricter gun laws of other “advanced countries” have restrained homicidal violence, suicides and gun accidents—even when, in some cases, laws were introduced over massive protests from their armed citizens.

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-what-we-can-learn-other-advanced-countries-379105
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
13. Again, a perfectly suitable subject for an OP. Meanwhile, you're still trying to threadjack...poorly
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

You lot have apparently gotten the idea into your heads that your unpopularity and
lack of political efficacy can be compensated with by doubling down on spamming.

Straw Man

(6,771 posts)
15. Got a cite for that?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016
The fact is that if NRA claims about the efficacy of guns in reducing crime were true, the U.S. would have the lowest homicide rate among industrialized nations instead of the highest homicide rate (by a wide margin).

I wasn't aware that the NRA had made such a specific claim. What success rate did they project?
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
14. Meh-it's not as if *you'll* come up with an effective (or even relevant) response to the OP
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Ever notice how the more outre' and unpopular someone's political stance is, the more they act out?

The RW occupies a wildlife refuge in a half-assed reenaction of "The Alamo", gun control
advocates satisfy themselves with insults, genitalia jokes and reposting other peoples' work...

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