YES!!!!! Bernie supports repeal of PLCAA!!!!!! Fuck the NRA!!!!!!

[stone space]

Democratic Sen. Bernie Sanders is announcing his support for legislation that would reverse a 2005 law granting gun manufacturers legal immunity that he once supported

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — On the eve of the next Democratic debate, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders announced his support for legislation that would reverse a 2005 law granting gun manufacturers legal immunity that he once supported.

Sanders' changed position came in a statement issued after days of attacks from rival Hillary Clinton, who had attempted to use his previous vote to undercut his liberal image.

The two candidates, along with former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, will meet Sunday for the last debate before voting begins in the Iowa caucuses — a match-up that's expected to be far more contentious than their previous three forums.


The debate was scheduled to take place just blocks from the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, where nine parishioners were killed in a mass shooting last summer. Gun control has emerged as a central theme in the race, with Clinton citing it as one of the major differences between the candidates.

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http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-16/sanders-says-he-supports-repealing-gun-manufacture-immunity

Thank you, Bernie, for listening to the people!

Fuck the NRA!

Now, all Democrats are united!

[GreydeeThos]

1. Does this mean Bernie is a flip-flopper?

Can his position on the issues be molded like soft clay to get the votes of the audience he is currently addressing?

[stone space]

2. It means that Bernie listens to the people. That he has the flexibility to be President.

It also means that now ALL Democrats are united against the PCLAA and that the only ones arguing for special corporate legal giveaways to the gun industry are those in the Clown Car.

DEMOCRATS UNITED!

FINALLY!

[TeddyR]

3. All Democrats?

Doubtful. And zero chance a repeal happens in any event.

[stone space]

4. All 3 of the Democratic candidates for President, yes. Democrats are united on PCLAA in 2016.

It's the folks in the Clown Car who support special corporate legal giveaways for the gun industry.

[TeddyR]

64. Didn't answer my question

All Democrats? No, not all. And as I mentioned, zero chance this bills is repealed. What "Clown Car" would that be? That almost sounds offensive. Are you a driver of the Clown Car? If not, who drives the Clown Car? Who is a passenger?

[stone space]

65. I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody here object to the term.

What "Clown Car" would that be? That almost sounds offensive.

Really, I wouldn't.

Some folks can't handle insults directed towards the Clown Car.

For some reason, they take them personally.

Not sure how to explain that...

[Duckhunter935]

68. some of us know

Who you are talking about and trying not to get your 5th hide for insults.

Kind of like the insinuation I am a racist in this thread.

[TeddyR]

70. So you still didn't answer my question

Questions are hard, especially when they require you to support your position. So, any interest in answering the question, or do you just want to make vague references to "clown cars"?

[Duckhunter935]

71. he will not

Given time he will run away or beg to be left alone, but he will not answer a direct question.

[TeddyR]

88. I would think that folks who post on this website

Could at least support their position with some thought. Might be too much to ask in certain instances though.

[Duckhunter935]

92. yes it is for some

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

5. As Albert Einstein said:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

[pipoman]

8. No, this is acquiescence to stupid people who can't understand

Repeal will change nothing except plug the federal court system with elite idealists frivolous law suits...congrats for support of 1%ers using our system as their personal whipping post...

[Squinch]

32. No. Only Hillary is a flip-flopper when she changes her opinion. When Bernie does it

it is because he has heard the prayers of his people like a good deity.

[ileus]

6. Bloomie must be writing big checks this cycle.

[stone space]

10. It's under the bus with Bernie!

Bloomie must be writing big checks this cycle.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. You know...

...you might not be in this situation if would better convey what you really intend.

I never ever miss a chance to add the thingie since so many folks have either lost the manuals for their sarcasm meters or might have allowed the batteries to run low.

So did you mean to say "under the bus with Bernie" or was that sarcasm?

[stone space]

15. In what situation?

You know...

...you might not be in this situation if would better convey what you really intend.

Am I in a "situation"?

My candidate just evolved in a direction that I like.

How is that a "situation" for me?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. Answers to the obvious

Am I in a "situation"?

Yes, the situation of having folks infer something you later say you didn't mean.

My candidate just evolved in a direction that I like.

How is that a "situation"?

It isn't. Mr Sanders isn't in a "situation".

[stone space]

18. Bernie's not in a "siruation" any more. The conflict between...

...a corporate legal giveaway to the gun industry and the rest of his message that he's been pushing out here no longer exists.

Mr Sanders isn't in a "situation".

That's a huge load off of the minds of Bernie supporters here who are going to the Iowa Democratic Caucus in a couple weeks.

This will help his message resonate clearer, without the interference of such incongruous positions not compatible with the rest of his campaign.

Yes, the situation of having folks infer something you later say you didn't mean.

You think I meant to offer support to the PLCAA.?

I'm not understanding you here.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

19. Fixed that for you

The conflict between...

...a corporate legal giveaway to the gun industry and the rest of his message that he's been pushing out here never existed.

[stone space]

20. Big Tobacco and Lawn Darts manufacturers sure wish they had those "never existed" protections. (nt)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

21. I'll be waiting (many folks along with me)...

...for evidence of the firearms industry claiming "Guns don't kill people."

Please note the absence of a sarcasm tag, winking smilie or other indication that my exact words should be taken as implying anything other than their exact denotative meaning.

[Duckhunter935]

22. I am sure he will answer any minute

With a link

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. Maybe now he just thinks...

...I'm Zimmerman.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. So, again, did you mean to say "under the bus with Bernie" or was that sarcasm?

[pipoman]

7. Only dumb democrats that can't understand the simplicity of PLCAA care....

The rest of us understand the utility and logic of the bill...

Oh, and just because he has succumbed to the cries of the incredibly stupid with his reluctant "support" for repeal doesn't mean it will ever.. in any of our lifetimes....be repealed....it won't because it was the right thing to do for both our court system and for justice...

[stone space]

11. "the simplicity of PLCAA"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. What no cartoon? n/t

[Duckhunter935]

24. give him a chance, I am sure he has them bookmarked.

Of course he did get a couple of hides for them being insulting and over the top. Maybe he does not want number five and another vacation. Has not stopped him several times before, though.

[pipoman]

13. Yes.....

we all realize "simplicity" for some is rocket science for some less intellectually fortunate. ...

[Duckhunter935]

23. yes it is

It does have six exceptions so a person would need two hands to count that high.

[Puha Ekapi]

109. I've seen you post here...

...from time to time. But for the life of me I cannot recall you ever posting anything other than "gun humpers are ammosexual Zimmerite poopy heads" posts. No content whatsoever...

[Duckhunter935]

9. good thing it will never

Happen, I have also read he has amendments to the proposed bill

[cantbeserious]

26. Wrong Again - Bernie Said He Would Review And Consider New Legislation

eom

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. Horrible cave-in by Bernie. I'm massively disappointed.

Permitting nuisance lawsuits against any legal manufacturer is egregious, anti-democratic bullshit.

[Duckhunter935]

28. I agree completely

I am glad it will not be changed

[stone space]

29. Bernie has been campaigning here in Iowa for some time, listening to the people.

You'll get your chance to make your arguments to him when he comes to your state.

We've made ours.

And it's having an impact.

We have politicians actually listening to us.

[Lizzie Poppet]

30. More likely: a calculated move to counter Hillary...

...by supporting a (stupid) piece of legislation that is doomed to fail. I dislike that kind of cynical "pro politician" stuff from a candidate I actually respect...but I suppose it's necessary.

[stone space]

34. Yes, it is necessary. Especially for a candidate critical of corporate power and influence.

but I suppose it's necessary.

The PLCAA just wasn't a good fit with the rest of his campaign, and voters were noticing.

We certainly noticed here in Iowa.

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. Realpolitik is annoying...but a fact of political life.

But don't be fooled: this issue is going away after the primaries, regardless of which candidate wins.

[stone space]

36. Voters don't want to be sued into bankruptsy should one of their loved ones be murdered.

Hell, we don't want our loved ones shot at all.

But being sued into bankruptcy as punishment for having a loved one murdered strikes most rational voters as unnecessarily cruel and sadistic.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

37. Link?

[stone space]

38. Not interested in disengenuous link requests.

Iowa voters know about it.

If you don't, try google.

Or remain in the dark about what Iowa voters know but you don't.

Our caucus is but days away...would you pass the popcorn, please?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

40. feel free, run away

[Duckhunter935]

42. just as we are not interested in your made up stories

I know this is not about the Colorado couple that the Brady bunch filed suit for them. Not to mention they were employed at one time by them. They continued the lawsuit even when advised they would lose due to Colorado state law.

Once again you make a baseless accusation and when called on it just runs away and insults. How nice you are. Glad I am not a student of yours.

[Puha Ekapi]

113. Well, there's really no future...

...in having a degree in calcululz

[DonP]

120. Hewlett Packard and other software companies kinda made that a dim future.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

50. Oh BTW...

...my shop has me up for a spot working in Ceder Rapids.

I'm hoping the opening in Maryland comes through first but who knows, soon I might be closer to you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. ..or conveying accurate information, either

[S_B_Jackson]

198. I believe he's making a veiled reference to the parents of one of the Aurora shooting victims...

They sued the online store that (in full accordance with all applicable federal and state statutes in Tennessee and Colorado) sold ammunition to James Holmes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html

The parents, both associated with the Brady Campaign, sued and after the case was dismissed under Colorado HB 000-208 to pay the legal costs for the dealer, Lucky Gunner for over $200,000 and the parents are now claiming they are bankrupt.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

201. I'm pretty sure that was the case

I had no interest in doing research for him so I asked him to do it. He didn't feel like it and was evidently more interested in finding new ways to insult people.

As far as the details of the Phillips' case are concerned, it looks to me like they should file suit against the attorney who advised them to go ahead with the suit.

[Duckhunter935]

203. that attorney worked

for the Brady bunch

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

204. If they sue...

...they should pick this guy:



...he wins a lot.

[Duckhunter935]

44. name one case where

A firearms manufacturer sued a murder victims family, just one. You can't as it is a lie.

Note to jurors for when he alerts, I did not say he, I said the story is not true and if I am wrong he will post a link and I will apologize.

[krispos42]

41. So then you support Trump's xenophobia?

After all, he's also just listening to the people.


And invading Iran?


Here's an idea you might ponder: the masses get it wrong a lot.

[stone space]

46. Iowans know that Trumps xenophobia would only mean more episodes of ethnic cleansing here in Iowa.

That's why Iowa Democrats oppose him and it is also why Iowa Republicans support him.

BTW, Trump has been invited to this nations oldest Mosque, the Mother Mosque of America in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027529248

Think he'll have the courage to show up and explain himself to Iowa's Muslim community?

[Duckhunter935]

48. and Trump might very well win

But the abuse of ethnic cleansing by you makes me sick.

[stone space]

52. "When they came for the Mayans, I was not Mayan, so I did not speak out"

But the abuse of ethnic cleansing by you makes me sick.

[Duckhunter935]

56. problem is there are millions of Hispanics here

In this country and they are not being put into camps or murdered. Ethnic cleansing is want was done during the Holocaust, Bosnia, Crimea, Africa and the middle eats where millions were murdered. You are against the deportation of people that had their day in court with appeals and lost. The court ordered them to leave and they refused. They were apprehended and deported. Every country to be a country has to have immigration rules and laws. You want none and I guess would allow anyone to come here and Stat as long as they want.

[stone space]

59. I don't see this as a problem. That's where we differ.

problem is there are millions of Hispanics here

Your support for the mass deportation of Iowans is noted.

Donald Trump agrees with you.

Democrats disagree.

[Duckhunter935]

61. I agree with President Obama

And his enforcement of his deportations of people that had their day in court plus appeals and were ordered to leave and did not. Your response to my poll on this was to insult and post many stories from 10-11 years ago from the Bush regime. Disingenuous at best, or trying to be deceptive at worst as you failed to note how they were 10 plus years old.

[stone space]

63. Iowa's children have been deported, and you call Iowa's concerns disingenuous.

Including children born right here in Iowa.

A small Iowa community loses half it's population in a single year, and you call our concerns disingenuous.

That's disgusting.

[Duckhunter935]

66. was that under

President Obama? The adults knew the risks coming here illegally. Would you rather just the children stay here? The adults had their day in court with appeals and were denied and ordered to leave. I see once again you are trying to confuse people.

[stone space]

67. They were railroaded. Why are you supporting this? Do you hate Iowa? (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

69. who was

They all had their day in court. I guess president Obama hates Iowa too. Are you saying he does?

[stone space]

72. The Mayans in Postville.

who was

Please do try to keep up.

[Duckhunter935]

73. under President Obama?

Do you have a link

[stone space]

74. You are being disengenuous. Your Trump-like attitudes are dangerous for Iowa. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

77. nope, every one of my posts has been

President Obama's immigration program and the deportations going on now. You are the one that only posts anything that was 10 years ago under President Bush. You fail to answer any of my questions if this is happening now under President Obama. You are the one trying to confuse people. I just post I agree with President Obama and I dislike your stretching of ethnic cleansing past the braking point.

[stone space]

79. We've been talking about ethnic cleansing in Iowa.

Ethnic cleansing that you apparently support, along with Trump.

[Duckhunter935]

81. we have been talking about legal deportations

Under President Obama. Keep up the name calling and insults a you want. Are you saying president Obama is doing ethnic cleansing and is just like Trump? WOW!

[stone space]

82. Stop blaming the President for your xenophobia. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

85. blaming, lol. I agree with him

Why would I blame him.

It appears from your own posts you say he is like Trump and is engaging in ethnic cleansing.

Note to jurors since I expect to be alerted on. Context is the poster I responded to has posted ethnic cleansing is happening in Iowa under President Obama and says those are the same views Trump has.

[stone space]

86. This is not true, and you know it.

blaming, lol. I agree with him

Why would I blame him.

It appears from your own posts you say he is like Trump and is engaging in ethnic cleansing.

Note to jurors since I expect to be alerted on. Context is the poster I responded to has posted ethnic cleansing is happening in Iowa under President Obama and says those are the same views Trump has.

Why are you lying and trying to blame President Obama for the Postville raid?

And please post a link to President Obama's support for the Postville raid that you expressed support for.

Either that or retract your slander against President Obama.

[Duckhunter935]

87. now calling me a lier

Wow, that is very intellectual. So just what I have said is not true?

[stone space]

89. You blamed President Obama for your own support of the Postrville raid. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

94. I do not even know what raid you are talking about

I did not blame anyone. I agree with his deportations of people that had their day in court plus all appeals and were ordered to leave.

So I will ask you for like the sixth time, did the raid you are talking about happen under President Obama?

My guess is no, as everything you posted the other day was in 2007-2008 under bush.

[Duckhunter935]

97. just as I thought, from 2008

When Bush was president and I never said I supported Bush's raids did i? So just who is not being truthful?

[stone space]

98. Somebody emailed me the jury results. Not sure why this was alerted on.

On Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They were railroaded. Why are you supporting this? Do you hate Iowa? (nt)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185164

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

stone space is trolling this thread, he's insulted other DU'ers, he's lied about what others have said, he's twisted words around to distort what was actually said.
stone space has a clear history of this behavior and needs a lesson in civility by having this post hidden, maybe then he'll alter his behavior.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:19 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Voting to hide based on the totality of posts in thread.

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Talk about trolling, the alerter should understand the nature of what was triggered by their own repeated posting, baiting. And, by the way, there's nothing over the top in responding whether you hate one of the states that has reacted to immigration this way.

Leave it alone and move on.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I do not know if any of that is true. However, this post is within DUs Community Standards and not hideable. There are several insulting posts in this thread, perhaps Duckhunter should tone it down or simply not respond.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't even understand what the complaint is about here. I reviewed the thread and didn't see anything suggesting troll-like activity.

Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree that this poster is trolling with "Do you hate Iowa."

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

99. Well, it's unlikely...

...the alert was due to you talking to yourself, as you're doing now.

[stone space]

100. I'm not talking to myself. I'm posting the jury results of an alert by some delicate flower. (nt)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

101. Apologies

I've seen folks reply to their own OPs with updates.
I've seen folks kick their OPs.
I consider replying your own reply as 'talking to yourself'.

YMMV

[stone space]

102. When I post jury results, I just...

...click on the link from the jury results, and hit reply on the post.

The procedure is the same no matter who authored the post.

The only exception is if the post in question is hidden, in which case I tend to look for a close by post by the same author.

If I can't find one, I'll hit reply to any nearby post.

Not sure what your procedure is.

But that's mine in a nutshell.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

106. I might start a new thread but...

...I usually don't post jury results.

[MrMickeysMom]

108. Apparently most of the jury thinks this is a legitimate question...

Including me...

On Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They were railroaded. Why are you supporting this? Do you hate Iowa? (nt)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185164

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

stone space is trolling this thread, he's insulted other DU'ers, he's lied about what others have said, he's twisted words around to distort what was actually said.
stone space has a clear history of this behavior and needs a lesson in civility by having this post hidden, maybe then he'll alter his behavior.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:19 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Voting to hide based on the totality of posts in thread.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Talk about trolling, the alerter should understand the nature of what was triggered by their own repeated posting, baiting. And, by the way, there's nothing over the top in responding whether you hate one of the states that has reacted to immigration this way.

Leave it alone and move on.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I do not know if any of that is true. However, this post is within DUs Community Standards and not hideable. There are several insulting posts in this thread, perhaps Duckhunter should tone it down or simply not respond.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't even understand what the complaint is about here. I reviewed the thread and didn't see anything suggesting troll-like activity.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree that this poster is trolling with "Do you hate Iowa."

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Duckhunter935]

118. to Juror 4

I did not alert, lol

[stone space]

127. A poster on vacation is alert stalking me. I got several emails. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

129. do I care?

That has happened to me by a host. Of course Skinner says this does not happen.

I very rarely alert as I know that people will not agree and I am insulted by people almost daily. You should know. Someone insinuated I was a racist, that I lie and I am an ASS. Not to mention ammosexual, gun humper and have pictures of gun lockers directed at me. You see I have fairly thick skin.

[stone space]

130. You are a piece of work. Do you always go around whining about being called a racist? (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

131. it does offend me

Of course that can be fixed

Why did you come whining to me a person alerted on you?

[stone space]

133. You said that you didn't alert, and I was backing you up.

Why did you come whining to me a person alerted on you?

Why do you consider it whining?

[Duckhunter935]

134. sure you were

You are my bestist buddy, lol

[stone space]

135. Again, why do you consider my supportive post whining?

It's not hard for you to click your way up the chain to see which post I was replying to.

[Duckhunter935]

136. because I do not think it was supportive

See, I can answer a question

Do you think I am racist? Your turn

[stone space]

137. Don't be an ass. Just click your way up the chain and read the damn post. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

138. see, I knew you could not answer that

It just proves my point. Simple question yes or no and you refuse to answer

[stone space]

139. Are you going to check or not? You made an ignorant accusation.

Click your way up to the post and remove your ignorance.

[Duckhunter935]

140. what post

[stone space]

141. Never mind. This is too tedious. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

142. yep, I knew you could not answer

Or do a simple cut and paste link. Normal for you.

[Duckhunter935]

143. I had to block your mail

After several requests to stop you keep sending

Have a great night

[stone space]

144. I'm not sure why you sent me so many emails. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

145. you sent the first one

Every reply of the 4 or 5, I requested you to stop and you ignored my request. You want me to post them in the open?

[stone space]

146. The rest were replies to your emails.

Why do you send emails to people and then cry when they reply to you?

[Duckhunter935]

147. you mean the ones I told you to stop

Sending me mail. I did not mail you. You sent me an unsolicited mail and I told you to stop several times. You continued to send me even as i asked you every time i replied to cease. You would not so I blocked that function and alerted Skinner of that fact.

You want me to post them?

[stone space]

148. Why are you unable to stop on your own?

Do you need somebody else to stop you?

Are you incapable of exercising self-control?

Should people incapable of exercising self-control have guns?

Instead of trying to order others around as if you have a gun pointed at their head, why don't you just follow your own damn orders?

Are you unable to do that?

[Duckhunter935]

149. good night

I just want the full and accurate story to be in the open. You were not telling the full story. Bed time for me, have great and wonderful night.

[Marengo]

152. What are you suggesting he might be capable of?

"Should people incapable of exercising self-control have guns? "

[stone space]

153. Sending repeated emails to people and then crying when they reply.

It's bizarre. I just don't know what to make of such behavior.

Anybody who wants to end a conversation would simply stop talking.

[Marengo]

156. That doesn't answer my question...

You are questioning his ability of self-control in regard to an email exchange and relating that to his possession of firearms. Why? What's the connection in this specific case?

Why are you unable to stop on your own?

Do you need somebody else to stop you?

Are you incapable of exercising self-control?

Should people incapable of exercising self-control have guns?

Instead of trying to order others around as if you have a gun pointed at their head, why don't you just follow your own damn orders?

Are you unable to do that?

[Duckhunter935]

158. all right, let's get this in the open. your unsolicited mail

stone space
You win. I'm out.

And don't play games.

You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.

My reply...

I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> And don't play games.
>
> You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
>
>
>
>

You responded even after I requested you stop.

You lie.

>
> I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> > And don't play games.
> >
> > You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
> >
> >
> >
> >

My response back....

I see you can not comply with a simple request to stop mailing me but go further and call me a lier. All you have to do is say I am not a racist. Funny how you can't. If you keep sending me insults, I will forward these to the administrators. Please do not send me any more mail unless it is to say I am not a racist. Once again, good night.
> You lie.
>
> >
> > I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> > > And don't play games.
> > >
> > > You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

You responded once again even after I requested you stop...

Why do you feel the need to try to force others to declare that you are no9t a racist?

You do realize just how bizarre that is, don't you?

My response back requesting you stop...

Because you said I was , I am now going to send an email to skinner that you are stalking me. Have a good night

your response..

No I didn't. that is a lie.

My final mail to you..

Blocked your mail for the spam you keep sending after I told you to stop

After that last mail I sent a mail to Skinner to inform him of your repeated contact via mail even after I requested you to stop. I also blocked you from sending me any more mail as I think that is the best way to diffuse the situation. The facts are now out in the open for all to see. I hope you have a great day, sir.

[DonP]

160. Wow! Some serious obssessive behavior on display there

Thankfully Skinner takes this stalking stuff seriously and when he checks the record of that poster he will find a real "interesting" DU history.

[Duckhunter935]

165. I though everyone should know

the FULL story

[stone space]

162. Why? To get the last word in?

My response back....

[Duckhunter935]

166. To tell you to stop sending me mail

That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night


Please do not send me any more mail unless it is to say I am not a racist. Once again, good night.

I never had to block anyone before and am proud I have nobody on ignore either.

[stone space]

169. You don't get to determine the content of my replies to your lies.

Please do not send me any more mail unless it is to say I am not a racist

Your complaint seems to be that I replied to your email to me with the wrong content.

[Duckhunter935]

172. since any further responses

from me in this thread are pointless as you have now called me a lier many times over. This will be my last post back to you as I will take the high road and diffuse this. Have a great day, I plan on doing so too.

[stone space]

175. Why are you so obsessed with getting others...

...to make declarations that you are or are not a racist?

I don't get that.

[Duckhunter935]

208. for all to see, I did not want to have to do this

However I did not have a choice as that poster did not tell the whole story. He did post a complaint in ATA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599446

[DonP]

209. I saw he ran to "teacher"

Didn't see what he was asking.

If Skinner took the time to check out his "vacation" track record it might give him pause and to alert the MIRT guys to keep an eye on him as a serial disruptor.

He got 3 hides in 2 days based on his "gunlicking" image and posts.

Gone til Mid Feb either way.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

210. I don't understand his abusiveness

His repeated return after 90 restrictions imply his interest in remaining active which seems counter to getting abusive but whatever.

With over 4,000 posts, he is out of MIRT's domain.

Since he'll be back for Valentine's Day, I might have to send him a heart.

[DonP]

211. He seems to live in a world of his own imagination...

... and treats any question, basic correction or even a difference of opinion as a direct, personal assault on his vivid, imaginary world and his made up rules.

OTOH, he feels completely free to abuse and demean anyone that differs from his narrow world view.

C'mon, three hides in two days from the same picture and he still doesn't get it? That's a level of density approaching depleted uranium.

I seriously doubt his claims to being a "professor", just based on his consistently poor use of spelling and grammar alone, but heaven help the students if he is any kind of instructor.

Based on past behavior, send him a heart and he'll likely accuse you of an attack of some kind on his family and marriage, but you're a better person that I am for it.

[Duckhunter935]

163. I am used to his insults

I know exactly what he means, however he will never just say it in a clear and concise way. just like when he all but called me a racist.
my post

problem is there are millions of Hispanics here
In this country and they are not being put into camps or murdered. Ethnic cleansing is want was done during the Holocaust, Bosnia, Crimea, Africa and the middle eats where millions were murdered. You are against the deportation of people that had their day in court with appeals and lost. The court ordered them to leave and they refused. They were apprehended and deported. Every country to be a country has to have immigration rules and laws. You want none and I guess would allow anyone to come here and Stat as long as they want.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185150
His response

I don't see this as a problem. That's where we differ.
"problem is there are millions of Hispanics here"


Your support for the mass deportation of Iowans is noted.

Donald Trump agrees with you.

Democrats disagree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185153

Notice how he used my words and quoted them out of context to infer I am a racist. He knows excacly what he did by leaving out the rest of my my post and that sentence.

problem is there are millions of Hispanics here In this country and they are not being put into camps or murdered.

and the rest of my post.

Ethnic cleansing is want was done during the Holocaust, Bosnia, Crimea, Africa and the middle eats where millions were murdered. You are against the deportation of people that had their day in court with appeals and lost. The court ordered them to leave and they refused. They were apprehended and deported. Every country to be a country has to have immigration rules and laws. You want none and I guess would allow anyone to come here and Stat as long as they want.

[Marengo]

155. It would seem it is you with the self-control issue.

If what Duckhunter has said is true, why would you continue to email when you've been asked to stop? Can that not be considered harassment or bullying? Someone who claims to be bullied as badly as you should be somewhat more considerate I would think.

[stone space]

157. If somebody sends me an email with false accusations and lies, I may reply...

...and inform the sender that he lied.

A plea from the sender to allow him to have the last word with his lies does not impress me.

If he didn't want a response, he wouldn't have sent the email in the first place.

You don't get to harass people with accusations and lies and try to bully them into silence with threats just to get the last word in.

If you want to cut off a conversation, just stop.

It's really not all that hard.

[Marengo]

186. It seems it wasn't a false accusation after all.

[Duckhunter935]

188. Hack89 had no problem answering that simple question

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185329

[Marengo]

193. Right?? No one debating in good faith has difficulty/

[Duckhunter935]

159. I posted the mail traffic so all can see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185304

[beevul]

205. Says the guy with 5 hides. N/t

[Marengo]

161. Well, is he a racist?

[stone space]

164. You tell me. (nt)

[Marengo]

167. Can't answer a simple question?

All that's necessary is a yes or no.

[stone space]

168. Why is it my job to make this determination?

I don't understand the obsession.

[Marengo]

170. Do you consider Trump a racist?

[stone space]

171. Yes. And I know what Iowa would look like with Trump as President. (nt)

[Marengo]

173. In post #74, you accused Duckhunter of displaying a Trump-like attitude.

"74. You are being disengenuous. Your Trump-like attitudes are dangerous for Iowa. (nt)"

It seems you have made a determination after all, despite it not being you job as you claim. Care to to explain how this cannot in any way be construed as you declaring Duckhunter a racist?

[stone space]

176. His Trump-like attitudes ARE dangerous for Iowa. (nt)

[Marengo]

177. As in his racist attitudes, correct?

[stone space]

179. I meant what I said. What is this obsession all about? (nt)

[Marengo]

181. Ah, you ARE saying Duckhunter is a racist

Well, at least we have this in the clear now.

[Duckhunter935]

183. he cannot respond anymore

he had another post hidden and is on vacation once again. I did not alert on it, I would love to see the jury results though.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~stone%20space

[Puha Ekapi]

207. A pity, in a way...

...the poster in question keeps my popcorn popper working overtime

[Duckhunter935]

174. interesting response

and he says I agree with Trump. Wonder what the meaning of that could be?

[hack89]

182. No, he is not. Happy now? nt

[Duckhunter935]

185. Thank, not so hard is it?

he is back on vacation

[DonP]

191. "Surprise, Surprise" He also ran up to ATA to whine at Skinner this AM

Undoubtedly to complain about the mean "gun trolls" on DU.

Hopefully this vacation (4th, 5th?) will last a lifetime.

We already have enough gun control fans to laugh at here, don't need another unhinged, obsessive one that lives in an imaginary world of his own.

If I counted correctly, he's at least gone until Mid February.

[Duckhunter935]

195. I think it is 5

[Duckhunter935]

187. I did not support president Bush's deportation policies

I do support President Obama's

If you look up what he is talking about it is 10 years old and happened under Bush but he hopes people confuse it with today as he never seems to mention a date or which president was in office.

[MrMickeysMom]

189. Off topic, so why are you writing me this?

[Duckhunter935]

190. You posted the jury results

I just pointed out that what he stated was indeed incorrect. So it was on topic for your post.

[Duckhunter935]

62. I have no problems

With millions of Hispanics being here. Are you saying that I am a racist?

I just agree with President Obama on this.

[Duckhunter935]

75. are you insinuating I am a racist?

Since you failed to answer this simple question in my other post. Am I to assume silence is an affirmative answer?

[stone space]

76. Assume what you like. You seem defensive. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

78. since you will not deny calling me a racist

I must assume you are. That really does not surprise me. Sad, I feel sorry for you.

[stone space]

80. You may ASSume anything you like.

Why should I care what you ASSume?

[Duckhunter935]

83. calling me an ASS, how cool

All you have to do is post that you do not think I am a racist. Must be hard for you.

[stone space]

84. You claimed to be ASSuming. Were you calling yourself an ASS?

calling me an ASS, how cool

I replied that you can ASSume whatever you like.

I can't control the ASSumptions of gun nuts.

I don't know why you would want me to if I could.

[Duckhunter935]

90. assume does not mean ASS

You capitalized those letters for a purpose and directed it to me. I see you are into the new insult directed at me. Gun nut, how inventive.

[stone space]

96. Good Lord! Have you never watched The Odd Couple? Delicate flowers, indeed!

assume does not mean ASS

[MrMickeysMom]

110. Wah!

Here's a tissue.... It's gonna be alright.

We can agree here to disagree and you can assume anything you want.

[Duckhunter935]

121. you might be just a little offended

also if you were being called a racist and and ASS.

[TeddyR]

91. I wouldn't get drawn into

These types of infantile games. Stone space is more interested in making insults and making people angry than actually discussing the issues. Reminds me of folks I've seen post on RW websites.

[Duckhunter935]

95. very true

And anyone that reads this can see what he wants. He is looking for a hide on me and I will not give him one. I am surprised he is still going, he usually goes away when his point is utterly destroyed.

[SecularMotion]

122. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You may ASSume anything you like.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185178

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This isn't just about this post. Look at the thread in it's entirety and I think you will see a pattern of "disruptive" behavior. Disagree but don't be disruptive or mean about it.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:07 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Duckhunter935 is a well-known DU troll
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is disruptive, insulting and just plain childish.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: juvenile, but no hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post was over the top. There was no need to call someone an a$$ just because of something they wrote. Just answer the question and continue the debate.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Duckhunter935]

123. did you alert

I know I did not. Did I really expect a hide on one of the several insults directed at me, no. I know that I am a minority here since I am a Democrat that like that President believe in an individual RKBA. To us, daily insults are a normal thing.

[stone space]

128. Wow. That's a pretty disengenuous alert.

Talk about delicate flowers.

[Duckhunter935]

132. well, I know I did not

[beevul]

103. But you're happy if they 'come for the gun owners'.

Hypocrite.

[stone space]

104. You compare opposition to the PLCAA with the ethnic cleansing of an entire community? (nt)

[beevul]

105. No, I'm comparing your attitude about two things.

Hypocrite.

[stone space]

107. How is ethnic cleansing like opposition to PLCAA?

Surely you have more than namecalling.

[beevul]

111. Why don't you ask someone who said they were alike.

I was comparing your attitude about two different things, not comparing those two different things.

Surely a calculolz teacher knows the difference.

Except the ones that engage in hypocrisy.


By the way, that's a whole lot of hides in 24 hours. Are you having trouble controlling yourself?

[stone space]

112. You aren't making any sense here. (nt)

[beevul]

114. Yes I am.

Just not to you.

Which is unsurprising.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

115. B_RN

Wanna buy a vowel?

[beevul]

116. Reality has no biases.

Unfortunately, for our...friend.

[Marengo]

192. Begs the question if someone demonstrates a lack of self-control, should they have access to weapons

I feel confident to say he likely doesn't possess any firearms, but what of knives, etc. Judging him by his own metric up-thread.

[Duckhunter935]

194. Well he is back on vacation

So it will be hard for him to post anymore responses

[beevul]

196. He chose to answer my inquiry with actions rather than words.

But answer it he did, nonetheless.

[Duckhunter935]

197. It appears so

[Duckhunter935]

119. only he can use a raid from 2008

Done under the Bush administration to attack me over my support of the PLCAA. I fail to see how he thinks I am a racist, hate Iowa and president Obama and support ethnic cleansing. His post are purchasing comedy gold and I will miss the laughter when he once again goes on vacation for his insults.

[DonP]

31. Great, now all that's needed is to win both the House and Senate with filibuster proof majorities

Then you can get a bill to repeal the law started, pass it with overwhelming support and have it signed. No problem with all your financial and time support.

The reality is, as the President, there isn't anything he can do without both houses and a repeal or new bill.

"Much ado about nothing", or a whole lot of wishful thinking that, as usual, allows gun control supporters to get all excited and do and achieve nothing in the real world.

[stone space]

33. The Republicans will have your back in the General Election, I'm sure. (nt)

[DonP]

45. Just trying to explain basic civics to someone that obviously doesn't seem to grasp the concept.

Now, impress us all with what you personally are doing, beyond posting poorly spelled snark online to support gun control?

How much $$ have you donated to the cause? Which is your favorite, effective gun control organization? Brady? Everytown? MDA?

How many days of your own time have you spent at gun control protests, town halls and meetings with legislators in Des Moines?

As a hard core control supporter you must spend a lot of your time doing something, besides whining online and getting a steady series of vacations.

[stone space]

47. What reason would I have for trying to impress you?

I don't understand.

What would be my motivation for trying to do that?

[DonP]

49. So ... you don't actually do anything to support gun control. Kinda figured that.

Pssst! Here's a little hint from the real world. Posting "FUCK THE NRA" repeatedly doesn't really do anything but make you feel all warm and fuzzy. Doesn't even piss anybody off. Least of all the 5 million plus dues paying members they have.

To achieve anything beyond looking in the mirror and telling yourself how cool you are to be a gun control supporter, you have to get involved at a personal level. It seems you are just one more "Keyboard Kommando" on gun control.

And of course, pretty much a laugh riot, as has been pointed out to you several times before.

As a result your POV is irrelevant to the issue and the conversation.

[Duckhunter935]

53. I thought so

Just a lot of hot air with no actual actions other than the snarky comments and insults. Don is right and I am not worried as I know basic civics. Might want to sign up for a class where you get your public paycheck.

[friendly_iconoclast]

54. Actually, you would be showing that you are not merely putting wear on a keyboard...

...for a cause that you apparently do nothing for in real life.

Of course, you are free to keep doing what you do, which would confirm yet again
that you lot are 'all hat and no cattle'...

[stone space]

55. Many of the keys have no letters on them. They've been rubbed off.

Actually, you would be showing that you are not merely putting wear on a keyboard...

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. "Fine words butter no parsnips", an aphorism that you have apparently forgotten...

...or perhaps never learned in the first place.

[Duckhunter935]

58. good keep doing that

So we can laugh.

The people that actually donate and get out and vote will ensure the RKBA will be around for a long time.

[krispos42]

39. Congratulations

You've made him do something morally wrong at the same time as you make him look like a weak flip-flopper. Days before the beginnings of the primaries, too.

But hey, I guess it's more important to be able to say "fuck the NRA", isn't it?

Your world must be nice because you don't have to consider anything on merit, or do any independent thought or analysis.

[stone space]

43. Thank you!

Congratulations

"Come the revolution, I'll buy you a new hat"

Warren Beatty---REDS

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

93. Hey man that's my hat, give it back!

SpongeBob SquarePants

[krispos42]

117. Wow.

It's like Obama Derangement Syndrome that I face at work. Only replace Obama with NRA.

My co-workers guzzle the Kool-Aid. Looks like yours is just a different color.

[stone space]

124. Let me get this straight.

You congratulated me, and I thanked you.

So what brought on this all of a sudden?

Wow.

It's like Obama Derangement Syndrome that I face at work. Only replace Obama with NRA.

My co-workers guzzle the Kool-Aid. Looks like yours is just a different color.

Was your congratulations disingenuous?

Am I not supposed to take you seriously?

If not, this would be good to know for future reference.

[krispos42]

125. The content of the post is contradictory to the title

Assuming you bothered to read it, of course.

That makes it sarcasm.

[stone space]

126. If your congratulations was disengenuous, then I apologize for thanking you.

I will try not to make the same mistake of taking you seriously again.

[Eleanors38]

60. Not much here. More $ for lawyers filing/beating SLAPP suits.nm

[Waldorf]

151. Repealing the PLCAA is a bad idea.

Should the local Chevy dealership and GM be sued because I took my truck and mowed down some people on a sidewalk?

Should Walmart and Farberware be sued if I take one of their knives and stab somebody?

[stone space]

154. Ther PLCAA doesn't cover Chevy and GM.

Where did you get the idea that it did?

Somebody has been feeding you some disinformation.

[merrily]

178. Hillary's allowed to evolve on every issue. Bernie changes on one and it's a flip flop.

[Duckhunter935]

180. yep, indeed true

[merrily]

184. I think the purpose of the alleged listening tour was to provide her a reason/excuse

for changing so many of her positions. She heard what the people wanted. (As if she really used to think they wanted Wall Street to get richer and didn't give a fig for the interest rate on the undischargeable student loans their kids were taking out to get through college.)

[pablo_marmol]

199. "I think the purpose of the alleged listening tour................"

And I think that you just hit the center of the bullseye.

[merrily]

200. The huge Draft Warren movement had nothing to do with it. NOTHING, I tell you!

[pablo_marmol]

202. :-) NT

[ileus]

206. Don't give in to the regressives Bernie...