Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’

[Eugene]

Source: Washington Post

Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’

By Jenna Johnson January 8 at 12:36 AM

BURLINGTON, Vt. — Donald Trump said Thursday that he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools.

"I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools, and — you have to — and on military bases," Trump said, to scattered cheers during a campaign rally on Thursday night. "My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day. There's no more gun-free zones."

Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed to protect themselves and others. For months, Trump has specifically called for the elimination of gun-free zones at military installments, but his call to do the same at schools appears to be a new stance.

The proposal raises a number of questions, such as: Would this apply to all public schools, from elementary to college? How would schools deal with the likely logistical and safety concerns created by having guns on grounds?

Trump's campaign manager and press secretary did not respond to requests for clarification.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/08/donald-trump-i-will-get-rid-of-gun-free-zones-on-schools/

[stone space]

1. I've read that particular Trumpism here before.

What do Trump and the NRA have against education?

Next thing, NRA Trumpers will be advocating the firing of Faculty who refuse to teach in armed classrooms.

[GGJohn]

10. Well, if you won't follow the law or rules,

then you should be fired.

[stone space]

11. Anti-intellectual union-busting ammosexuals are so predictable. (nt)

[GGJohn]

14. I have no idea who you're talking about.

Is there something wrong with you?

And why shouldn't someone lose their job if they don't abide by the rules?

[stone space]

29. I'm not the one going around talking about firing people.

Is there something wrong with you?

That would be you and Trump.

[GGJohn]

30. In what reality do you reside?

Again, this is pure comedy gold.
You do provide entertainment here.

[Duckhunter935]

12. ah yes the insult

When in the past you stated you would not teach and encourage others not to teach when students were there and being lawful doing a lawful activity, yes some here called for you to to be sanctioned and if you continued to do it terminated, for failing to do your job. You got mad when we called for a department to be sanctioned for not following the law. You complianed that you should get your public paycheck even if you refused to do your job.

[stone space]

13. I'm not going to teach in an armed classroom.

Donald Trump and the NRA can just go and lick their precious guns.

[GGJohn]

15. Then don't,

you're free to quit and go some place else.

[Duckhunter935]

16. then you should be terminated for not

Doing your job if it is a legal activity. Those students paid for that instruction.

[stone space]

17. You sound like Donald Trump here.

then you should be terminated

[Duckhunter935]

18. and when you have

No rebut to my argument you just post insults. Just shows the type of person you really are. Have a great night and I will not alert on your insults directed at me.

[GGJohn]

19. NO, he sounds like an employer. eom.

[stone space]

20. Whiney-ass gun-licking Trump supporters are looking for a Union to bust.

DU's Trump types must really get off at the thought of firing faculty at state universities, I suppose.

[GGJohn]

21. LOL.

This is pure comedy gold.

[Duckhunter935]

24. I know, right

[GGJohn]

27. I'm giving him about a week before he's on another time out,

and I'm being generous.

[Duckhunter935]

32. well he did drop

3 hides he got on the same day. He might be able to top it.

[stone space]

61. When you make statements like that, it comes off as gloating.

I'm giving him about a week before he's on another time out,

Is that what you are doing here?

Gloating?

[Lurks Often]

63. No, it's recognizing your inability to not lie or insult people

You are on enforced breaks from posting due to having 5 hides more often then anyone else I have seen on DU in years.

[Duckhunter935]

68. True indeed

Not to mention, he then starts other threads complaining about others and only telling part of the story and refusing to link to the offending post when asked many times. He is scared to do so as it shows how his post is just not the truth.

[Lurks Often]

69. He'll be back on timeout soon enough

Might as well enjoy the laughs he provides for the time being

[Duckhunter935]

70. yep

[Duckhunter935]

23. doubling down on the insults

Cool, keep going, somebody will alert and you will get another hide. It is sad you have not learned from several vacations.

[stone space]

25. You and Trump like to talk about firing people and kicking immigrants out.

Do you guys seriously expect praise for that?

[GGJohn]

26. What reality are you in?

This is pure freaking comedy gold.

[Duckhunter935]

28. well if you had scruples

And refused to teach to people doing a lawful activity, you would quit. I guess that public money is to sweet and is a higher calling for you. You must be talking about my poll that was over deporting people that had exhausted all legal avenues and we're ordered to leave the country and refused. It seem to me you had a post about that poll insulting me hidden and you went on your most recent vacation then. By the way the poll was 70% in favor of my position.

[stone space]

31. What's wrong with me getting paid? You sound like Trump.

I guess that public money is to sweet and is a higher calling for you.

[Duckhunter935]

33. I have no issue

As long as you do the job I pay you for. You are the one saying you do not want to work and still get your public salary. By the way Trump sucks.

[GGJohn]

34. Nothing wrong with you getting paid,

as long as you abide by the rules of your employer, and if they allow firearms on your campus and classroom, then you have to abide by the rules of the university or get terminated or you can quit.
It's really that simple.

[stone space]

35. I will not teach in an armed classroom, no matter what Trump says. (nt)

[GGJohn]

36. Then you will get terminated, or you can quit and go somewhere else.

It really, really is that simple.

[stone space]

38. Fuck Trump and his DU Apprentices.

Then you will get terminated

[Duckhunter935]

40. well quit if you feel

That way. Save the cost of having you fired.

[stone space]

42. What makes you think you and Trump can have me fired?

Save the cost of having you fired.

I'm not a contestant on one of your game shows.

[Duckhunter935]

44. I can't

But I hope the taxpayers that pay your salary do so as you refuse to do your job. You must really like that public money for not doing any work. I am glad I work hard to earn my taxpayer funded salary. Actually very proud of it and pay for items almost daily out of my pocket for our training facility.

[GGJohn]

45. Are you for real?

[Duckhunter935]

55. I have no game shows

I live in the real world, thank you.

[GGJohn]

41. That still doesn't change the fact that you either obey the university's policies, or you get

terminated.

[Duckhunter935]

39. what is with all of the Trump

Crap, insults all he has?

[GGJohn]

43. I've come to the conclusion that he ain't no teacher,

teachers are supposed to possess logic and common sense, so far, he's shown neither.

[Duckhunter935]

37. then you should do the taxpayers

That pay you salary the favor of quiting. If it is legal and the students are doing a lawful activity, you should quit or be fired for refusing to do your job.

[stone space]

47. What is it that you have against us?

then you should do the taxpayers

That pay you salary the favor of quiting.

What did we do to you?

You seem intent on destroying our lives.

And for what?

What would you gain by having faculty fired?

[GGJohn]

48. Nothing against you, just obey the rules and regulations and you'll be fine,

break those rules and regulations and you'll suffer the consequences.

[stone space]

49. Please leave us alone. Allow us our jobs. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

52. but you stated you will refuse to do your job

why should you be paid and not terminated?

[stone space]

54. Please leave us alone. We are human beings (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

56. so are your students

but insulting me is OK?

[GGJohn]

57. LOL, leave you alone?

How in the world am I interfering in your alleged job?

I'm just a retired Army officer, living my life out in AZ, so, how am I interfering in your alleged job?

[Duckhunter935]

50. I have nothing against you,

do the job you get paid, great. Refuse to do it and you should be reprimanded and if that behavior continues, terminated, simple. You should not be paid for not working. The students paid for classes and they should have an instructor that follows the law.

[stone space]

51. Please leave us alone. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

53. good night

[GGJohn]

59. Now he's over in GD whining about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114

[Duckhunter935]

64. I see that and the bad hide

If you look juror 5 agreed with you but voted to hide?

[GGJohn]

58. Awwww, that's cute.

[Duckhunter935]

65. so you ask to be left alone

Which I did and you then went crying and posting insulting posts about me over in GD. Why does that not surprise me. Next time you tell me to leave you alone, I will not and keep telling the truth. I find it funny you refused to post a link to this thread in the GD thread as it rightfully would have shown the whole truth and obviously you are scared to do it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114

[hollysmom]

2. and if you get elected, (god forbid) make sure that the white house is not a gun free zone as well.

[SummerSnow]

3. Trump hates the kids...same person who sent his kids to school with private security

but your children cannot get any protection.

[Mnemosyne]

4. +1

[bluestateguy]

5. And then I will yank my kids out of public schools

So there.

[SummerSnow]

6. Rethugs care nothing about public schools...cause that's where the "poor" people send their kids

[gejohnston]

9. actually, the federal ban on schools

was stuck down by SCOTUS 20 years ago as a 10A violation. Trump might know business, and NY divorce and bankruptcy law, but doesn't know squat about civics.

[jimmy the one]

7. keep gun free zones gun free, trump

link: Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed .. Trump said he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools... "My first day, it gets signed, okay? There's no more gun-free zones."

Don't understand this reasoning. I think maybe 90% of yearly gun homicides are done where guns are allowed, anyone disagree? maybe even higher like 95%. Like homes, towns, cities, rural areas, all where guns are allowed, with varying state restrictions & proscriptions.
I think 95% or more of suicides done by gun are committed in gun zones, like homes, cities, towns, rural areas, most all where guns are allowed, again with varying restrictions.
Relatively very few gun deaths occur in 'gun free zones' I think, so much I think it's working as best as it realistically could. It's not like eliminating gun free zones would prevent all gun deaths therein overall - perhaps increase the number, gunshot wounds & mishaps as well.

I think next Monday jan 18th, British parliament will discuss whether to ban Donald trump from Britain.

British MPs will debate possibly shutting Trump out of the U.K., it was confirmed, after a petition on the parliament.uk website gathered over 560,000 signatures. Parliament is required to .. which gathers over 100,000 signatures.
Trump took a jab at what he called Britain’s “Muslim problem.” “We have places in London and other places that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives,” he told MSNBC. “We have to be very smart and very vigilant.”
In its call to ban Trump from Britain’s shores, the petition says: “The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.”
The parliamentary debate, which will take place on January 18, will not necessarily lead to any change in U.K. policy towards Trump. “By scheduling a debate on these petitions, the committee is not expressing a view on whether or not the government should exclude Donald Trump from the U.K.,”... “As with any decision to schedule a petition for debate, it simply means that the committee has decided that the subject should be debated.”

And blimey, a raspberry to PM Cameron: Both Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne have said in the past that they do not want to keep Trump out of the UK, though in December the Prime Minister’s office did condemn his proposed ban on Muslims.. http://www.newsweek.com/british-parliament-debate-ban-trump-412113

[TeddyR]

71. DC is essentially a gun free zone

And had over 100 murders last year.

[gejohnston]

8. Civics, Government, and economics should be required

in every school and prevent this kind of bullshit. As POTUS, he can't. He can say that he would sign a bill that does that, or make an executive order about federal buildings or reservations ONLY if those bans aren't there by statute.
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".
Put that with his equating marching in a nice uniform at a prep school is the same as military service. He is making life look more like a Simpsons episode.

[Duckhunter935]

67. lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114

[gejohnston]

22. post script

I have to correct one thing

He can say that he would sign a bill that does that, or make an executive order about federal buildings or reservations ONLY if those bans aren't there by statute.
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".

There was a federal law about local schools until SCOTUS struck it down for violating the 10A. Most if not all of the states wrote their own laws, often allowing for law enforcement and school rifle club exceptions. Since they are state laws or local school board decisions, nothing he or any other POTUS can do about it.

[kimbutgar]

46. I say we start at the school his young son attends

[bluestateguy]

60. States rights

Lopez v. U.S. (1995) prevents the federal government from making schools gun free, but states and local districts may have gun free policies.

[ileus]

62. Access control is the answer...why aren't we serious about School security?

It's like we want schools to be easy targets...

[Duckhunter935]

66. look at this, lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114