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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:43 PM Nov 2015

Interpol Chief Ponders 'Armed Citizenry' as answer to terrorism.

From 2013, but still very relevant..

"Ask yourself: If that was Denver, Col., if that was Texas, would those guys have been able to spend hours, days, shooting people randomly?" Noble said, referring to states with pro-gun traditions. "What I'm saying is it makes police around the world question their views on gun control. It makes citizens question their views on gun control. You have to ask yourself, 'Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?' This is something that has to be discussed."

"For me it's a profound question," he continued. "People are quick to say 'gun control, people shouldn't be armed,' etc., etc. I think they have to ask themselves: 'Where would you have wanted to be? In a city where there was gun control and no citizens armed if you're in a Westgate mall, or in a place like Denver or Texas?'"


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-westgate-interpol-chief-ponders-armed-citizenry/story?id=20637341

He is very correct in his assessment.
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Interpol Chief Ponders 'Armed Citizenry' as answer to terrorism. (Original Post) virginia mountainman Nov 2015 OP
I've been wondering about this myself. beardown Nov 2015 #1
Citizen militias SecularMotion Nov 2015 #2
In your opinion, do Massey's actions invalidate the notion generally? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #4
soul patches? gejohnston Nov 2015 #5
Instead of a clip of another police killing of a restrained suspect I'll write a reply. beardown Nov 2015 #7
Citizen militias are a great idea if executed properly. ileus Nov 2015 #3
The 21st century militia beardown Nov 2015 #6
This REALLY needs to be in GD, given current policy. IMO. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #8

beardown

(363 posts)
1. I've been wondering about this myself.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

Some of my family members were looking into the plastic paper and duct tape and buying a couple of packaged sandwiches during the terror scares of a few years ago. Now thanks to Bush the Stupid's invasion of Iraq and other major blunders we've got major terrorist attacks going off around the world. I think it's a small jump from duct tape to CC given Americans may finally be realizing that they are now extremely less safe from terrorism than they were before multiple invasions, regime changes, and constant drone killings in the ME.

I'm thinking many more people are going to start thinking that having more 'militia' type armed citizens will make them safer from ISIS.

Training and safety standards and programs are going to have to be ramped up to provide more security as opposed to more random shootings of anyone unfortunate enough to look Muslim. However, in a broad response to increased terrorism, reducing the number of soft targets is a good thing, but I have little confidence in the government supporting this well, at least over the short term.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
2. Citizen militias
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015
ATF Arrests 'Commanding Officer' Of TX Citizen Militia On Weapons Charges

Authorities arrested a Texas man belonging to a citizen militia on weapons charges Monday morning.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives booked Kevin "KC" Massey in Brownsville, Texas, according to local station KGBT.

Massey belonged to the paramilitary group "Camp Lonestar," a colorful outfit that sports guns, military fatigues, and soul patches in its mission to secure the border.

The group also guards against "members of ISIS" crossing the boarder, echoing recent remarks by Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/atf-arrests-member-texas-milita

beardown

(363 posts)
7. Instead of a clip of another police killing of a restrained suspect I'll write a reply.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:57 AM
Nov 2015

DU has been flooded over the last couple of years with posts about police killings of unarmed citizens and performing outright crimes too. Clearly, there are not 100 percent 'good'.

Since your keyboard only seems to have the mouse button that allows you to cut and paste and no keys to write words I have to assume that you meant that since there is a case of a bad militia than all militias are bad and should be done away with. Note, my comment was about providing increased training if there is a large upsurge in civilians getting CC to avoid the pitfalls of untrained and unsafe CC.

So do you still drive a car or fly in planes? I have it on authority that cars wreck and get flats and planes crash. Living life with a 100 percent effectiveness must be downright difficult as it having a 100 percent purity test for democratic gun owners.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. Citizen militias are a great idea if executed properly.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:36 PM
Nov 2015

Nothing like a group of people banding together behind a cause to defend their country, county, neighborhood.

beardown

(363 posts)
6. The 21st century militia
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

Agreed on potential of a modern version of the militia. The repeated anti-gunner statements about the 2nd being obsolete and based on muskets got me thinking about this aspect of the 2nd. The militia sure isn't the national guard in which the 'nation' part of it turns out to be any foreign nation stupid enough to have our oil under their ground.

A level of eyes and ears just below the police. Greatly enhanced training and credentials would have to be part of it and government support as any standards demanding more time and money would return us to rich white guys with guns protecting their own turf. Different levels of certification, but training and credentials would include communications and first responder, along with gun safety and legal issues.

My concern is that every CC that shoots a person for taking a grocery cart off of the parking lot or pulls a gun on a Sikh wearing a turban hurts gun rights and rightfully so. As with so many things, how you implement it can be the key.

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