NRA: America's Isis (Xpost from GD)

[stone space]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027247904

[Duckhunter935]

1. So how does this fit the group SOP?

The NRA ILA sucks big time and I do not support that portion. The NRA is actually still the gold standard for firearms safety programs. I fully support firearms safety, do you?

[stone space]

16. Seriously? Have you never heard of the NRA, before?

So how does this fit the group SOP?

Here they are, in their own words:

Doesn't fit within this forum's SOP, indeed!

Only if you have never heard of the NRA, before!

[Duckhunter935]

17. I have

They are the gold standard for firearms safety courses, you know "gun safety". Now the NRA ILA are a bunch of idiots and I do not support them at all. I think uncle Wayne needs to go away. Unfortunately things are not always a binary choice.

[pocoloco]

26. Say what you want about Ole Wayne,

but he sure has better reading comprehension than most here at DU!

[chemp]

59. Gold standard?!?!

I have multiple certifications, in many fields.
In order to renew most of them, I need to re-cert. This usually involves a 6-8 hour class and a test to garner my understanding of the subject.
Heck, to renew my driver's license, I need an eye test.

To renew my instructor creds and my RSO certs all i need do is send the NRA a check. I clears, I'm good for two more years.

The NRA doesn't give a rat's ass if I understand gun safety. They care that I pay them.

I have lobbied my state a few times to kick the NRA out of the certification business. They care little about safety, just sales.

[oneshooter]

60. And what would you replace them with?

Non of the "gun safety",ORG's have any programs up for consideration.

[chemp]

65. How about the NSSF

They are less political, more shooter oriented, and don't constantly lobby politically.

[beevul]

68. The usual suspects would just continue to crow about the 'gun manufacturers lobby'.

What point is there in making them right?

[Duckhunter935]

63. Must have changed

[ileus]

2. And that's why as progressives we need to be Pro-2A...why give them more power.

NRA isn't the friend to the 2A they're made out to be.

[DonP]

3. Let me know when 5 million people buy one for $35 every year...

... and actually show up at the polls every time to vote for gun control.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. A lot of the pro-control folks need this button

[GGJohn]

5. Just more comedy gold from stone space.

[krispos42]

6. I've decided that this meets the SoP of the Group

I have received several alerts on this, which I will address individually, as usual.

However, the discussion of the NRA's effect on politics is inherently part of the SoP of this Group so I see no cause for closing this thread down. As Host, I don't believe that inherent worth of an OP (or lack thereof) is mine to judge if a thread should be locked or left open, but only whether it fits the SoP of the Group.

Thank you all for keeping an eye on things,
Krispos42, Group Host

[hack89]

7. You guys are starting to sound desperate. Nt

[GGJohn]

8. I love the smell of desperation in the morning,

it smells like..........................losing.

[gejohnston]

10. Yes but,

does Shannon surf?

[GGJohn]

11. LOL, good one.

I highly doubt that many here would get the nuance of that post.

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. If Shannon says it's safe to surf that beach, it's safe to surf that beach!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. I prefer the quote from Lt Colby's letter:

“Sell the house. Sell the car. Sell the kids. Find someone else. Forget it. I'm never coming back. Forget it.”

She's surfing into history.

[pablo_marmol]

13. I guess I missed the nuance of that post because........

.......my head has been driven into rocks too many times on big days.

[GGJohn]

15. From the movie,

Apocolypse Now

I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it smells like...............victory."

Robert Duvall's character said that.

[stone space]

21. napalm?

Catonsville Nine

Uploaded on May 17, 2006

17 May 1968 9 people walked into a Selective Service Office, took hundreds of draft files from a cabinet, took them outside, doused them with homemade napalm and burned them in the name of peace.

[GGJohn]

30. Your point being?

[stone space]

31. You tell me. You're the one who brought up napalm. (nt)

[GGJohn]

33. I posted a quote from a movie,

maybe it you had read the whole post, instead of cherry picking it, you would, you know, know that.
Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself?

[stone space]

34. I posted a nonviolent demonstration against an armed organization's slavery.

So, what's your point?

[GGJohn]

35. LOL,

you just can't resist yourself can you.
More comedy gold from stone space.

[stone space]

36. You have a hard time dealing with nonviolence, don't you? (nt)

[GGJohn]

37. And stone space doubles down on bullcrap.

Too fricken funny.

[gejohnston]

38. no, it wasn't nonviolent

although the slavery part falls in a gray area. Since the conscripts would be paid, perhaps indentured servitude would be more accurate.

[stone space]

39. It was nonviolent.

no, it wasn't nonviolent

[gejohnston]

41. arson is a violent act

if anyone got harmed, it would me murder. Just like the "nonviolent" bombings by Weather Underground.

[stone space]

43. You are accusing the Berrigan brothers of arson???

Seriously???

[GGJohn]

49. Oh FFS, please just stop with the lies.

[stone space]

51. I'm not the one calling the Berrigans arsonists. (nt)

[GGJohn]

52. And neither is he, so stop with the constant lies. eom.

[stone space]

53. Yes he did. (nt)

[GGJohn]

54. More lies. eom.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

70. Yes, it was arson. And this may have escaped you but, the State the protesters committed their act

of arson against -- the one you claim is a gun toting organization of violence -- is the same gun-toting organization of violence that would be used to impose your sought-after gun control regime and once it was accomplished they would possess a monopoly on lethal force.

[DonP]

71. Not to mention Breaking and Entry to get to the files

[virginia mountainman]

84. Just watching from the sidelines, enjoying my skittles..nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

69. So, what you're saying is,

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we should take gun registration records, "from a cabinet, {take} them outside, {douse} them with homemade napalm and {burn} them in the name of peace."

[Duckhunter935]

9. Bet it says

Made in China, lol

[pablo_marmol]

14. Looks like you're giving our resident hit-and-run artist a run for his money, SS!

[stone space]

18. The NRA is killing our children.

[DonP]

19. You need to tell the police so they can arrest them

Then the district attorneys can indict and try them.

That's how it works if you kill somebody in the US.

Let us know how it goes when you call the police station to report the murders and tell them to hurry right over.

Then you can tell them about all the murders by drunk drivers caused by GM and Ford too.

What a maroon.

[GGJohn]

32. Have you called the cops and told them yet?

Or are you just another Keyboard Kommando, always complaining online but IRL, doing nothing?

[oneshooter]

20. I certainly hope you are not a collage teacher in Texas.

If so then by the end ofthe month you will have a sadz.

Even has a HP article, so you know it is the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/19/texas-concealed-guns-college_n_6903534.html

[stone space]

24. "Cocks, not Glocks!"

https://www.facebook.com/events/1686524198249678/

Cocks not glocks: Dildos to replace guns at UT-Austin campus carry protest





By Lauren McGaughy

Updated 1:30 pm, Saturday, October 10, 2015

AUSTIN - Hundreds of students at the University of Texas at Austin will protest a new law will allow more guns on campus not with signs or sit-ins, but by "strapping gigantic swinging dildos to our backpacks."

Their mantra? #CocksNotGlocks

Jessica Jin, who set up the "Campus (DILDO) Carry" event on Facebook, invokes the argument that allowing more guns on campus will make students safe is a fallacy. She's urging students to send campus leaders that message by strapping on the plastic phalluses.

"'You're carrying a gun to class? Yeah well I'm carrying a HUGE DILDO,'" Jin says in the group's description. "Just about as effective at protecting us from sociopathic shooters, but much safer for recreational play."

More than 330 people had signed up to participate by Saturday morning. The "strap in" will occur on Aug. 24, 2016, the first day of next year's fall semester.

The event was created the same day one student was killed and another wounded in a shooting at Texas Southern University, and just days after other deadly shootings on campuses in Oregon and Arizona.

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http://www.chron.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/campus-carry-ut-austin-dildo-dildos-texas-6563276.php#photo-8769405

[pocoloco]

27. Proven to stop war!!!

...if that counts?

[beergood]

29. i prefer both

my only concern is if there is a 30 minute interval between each shot.

[gejohnston]

40. I have a question,

if someone sees the dildo and assumes she is easy prey only to find that while she doesn't have a Glock, but, say, a CZ, would she be charged with baiting an attack?
Should she?
Or defend herself with a big assed knife?

[stone space]

42. She's standing up for herself against people like you...

...who would force your guns on her against her will.

if someone sees the dildo and assumes she is easy prey

Why won't you guys just leave her alone and just let her pursue her studies in peace?

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "NO"?

[gejohnston]

44. We are talking about freedom of choice

using your logic, PP people are forcing abortion on those who find it morally an ethically repulsive for whatever reason. I'm sure neither of us believe that, but that sort of thinking does play well among Huckabee and Carson fans.

Are you accusing me, or other CCW holders, as violent predators? Statistically, we are more responsible and respectful for innocent life than the police. We aren't the problem. Remember, the nut cases who shot up a Colorado high school wrote essays on why there should be stricter gun laws, and their parents were Brady members. Perhaps they were too busy trying to take the rights way from other people to notice that their snowflakes were building bombs in the basement.

I respect her choice. However, it is only right and liberal, in the true sense of the word, to get the same from her.

[stone space]

46. Why force your guns on her against her will?

She's saying "no" quite clearly.

Isn't that enough for you?

Just let her be.

[gejohnston]

48. I'm not forcing anything on her

I'm not even in Texas. Nobody is trying to force anything on her. She is however trying to force something on others. Not forcing her to buy or carry one like Svalbard island, Norway, where the government actually enforces it and isn't a political statement like someplace in Georgia.

Here is a question, why are to trying to keep the freedom of choice from her room mate or one of her friends?

[GGJohn]

55. How is he forcing firearms on anyone here?

You seem paranoid, maybe you should talk to someone about that.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

72. Who's making her carry a gun?

[stone space]

73. Ammosexuals want to force their guns on her at her university. Why?

Does she not have a right to say "NO"?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

75. No one is making her carry a gun. Why do you have to rely on warped fabrications?

[stone space]

76. Why are ammosexuals so intent on forcing their ammosexuality on others?

If she is within firing range, the ammosexual's gun is being rammed down their throat.

And you know that, too.

She has a right to say "no".

[Nuclear Unicorn]

77. "If she is within firing range, the ammosexual's gun is being rammed down their throat."

Someone concealed carrying a gun is no more ramming it down her throat than her open carrying a dildo is ramming it down someone else's throat.

What other abstract threats are there? Does every car within driving range pose a threat? Every liquor store a threat of sexual assault? Every non-lifetime monogamous relationship a threat for STDs?

Go ahead, Stoney, keep her perfectly safe from every threat. Shield her, confine her, close her in from every danger.

Go for it you brave and valiant protector of this poor, besieged waif.

She has a right to say "no".

It was also Amanda Collins' right to say "Yes" but then the gun grabbers felt it better to see her beaten and raped because that is the world they prefer.

[stone space]

79. What is her dildo's firing range?

Someone concealed carrying a gun is no more ramming it down her throat than her open carrying a dildo is ramming it down someone else's throat.

In what way is she forcing her dildo down the throat of any ammosexual?

You are attempting to create a false equivalence here.

[GGJohn]

80. The same way you dishonestly claim that people who carry firearms

are "ramming their guns down people's throats."
The only false equivalence here is yours.

[oneshooter]

45. And they can be ordered removed, or covered, as a distraction within the classroom. n/t

[stone space]

47. So call the cops.

And they can be ordered removed, or covered, as a distraction within the classroom. n/t

Let's start arresting students for saying "NO".

[oneshooter]

57. The teacher has the authority to have them removed from the class.

and not returned until classroom decorum is followed.

I believe that you should know that classroom disruption can not be tolerated.

[stone space]

58. I would imagine that some of the professors will have dildos, as well.

So you'll likely be left with the job of calling the cops on both students and faculty.

All because you can't take a simple "no" for an answer.

How far are you willing to go to force guns on students and faculty?

[oneshooter]

62. I would imagine that the schools also have a dress code for all employees

Even your "University" has one. It will be enforced. The teacher will face punishment ranging from a letter of reprimand in their personal file up to discharge from the University staff.

Are you allowed to teach while naked? Be truthful about it.

[Duckhunter935]

64. Question is

Since it is concealed carry. Students must be 21 and license. If the weapon is properly concealed, how would our calculus teacher know?

[GGJohn]

66. Small correction here,

Alleged calculus teacher.

[Duckhunter935]

67. Thank you

[oneshooter]

81. I can see that our alleged teacher has failed to answer the question.

Could it be that he has once again turned tail and slunk away?
Only to crawl out of his hidy hole to yap once again, like a small ankle biter.

[GGJohn]

82. Yep, but that's to be expected. eom.

[Duckhunter935]

88. Could be, mmmm

[stone space]

87. Funniest alert evah!

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[oneshooter]

89. You still have "declined" to answer the questtion

about your employer, a State University, having a dress code for students and facility.

[stone space]

90. Your fear of Dildos is noted. (nt)

[oneshooter]

91. I have no fear of "dildoes", un like your fear of the truth.

When faced by it you run, deflect, hide.

The truth is that IF you work at a State University you are under their dress code, and ethics code. YOU can be punished when in violation of either one. Your status as a teacher will not protect you, if you violate state law then you can be held responsible, If you violate the terms of your employment agreement then you can be punished for that, up to and including discharge with reason.

[GGJohn]

96. Your fear of answering the question is noted. eom.

[GGJohn]

50. Never did like Glocks,

I prefer Colt, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Star.

[Duckhunter935]

56. Me too

[pablo_marmol]

86. But......but......but..............

How do you feel about Springfield XD's?

[Eleanors38]

92. "Huge?" Awww, that ain't nothin'.

[Eleanors38]

22. Put one on, Stone, and demonstrate at their D.C. hdqtrs. Activists do that, y'know?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. It's near DC. I used to stay at a hotel across the road.

I used to use their sign as a landmark to get off I-66 on to route 50 East.
Candlewood Suites, nice place, I strongly recommend the chain if you need a hotel.

With all those guns at their museum you'd expect a lot of shootings but I heard of any.

[DonP]

28. They have a range there too

Not that accuracy or even basic honesty is essential in this debate but ...

Some of our control "fans" keep saying they don't allow guns in their building so they're "hypocrites".

But they have a range and an assortment of guns there too. As an instructor I get regular e-mailings offering rental discounts and encouraging use of their range at the NRA HQ building for anyone in the DC area.

I haven't seen much in the way of news of shootings at the museum or the range.

[sarisataka]

61. It torture acceptable then?

waterboarding daily would seem a good start

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027238856#post17

Although that wasn't specifically referring to NRA members,,,

[Nuclear Unicorn]

74. Have you seen how he tortures

the definitions of words until they tell him exactly what he wants to hear?

[virginia mountainman]

85. LOL nt

[GGJohn]

94. Yeah, that was directed at me,

and the jury allowed it to stand.
Yeah, tell me there's no jury bias towards DU gun owners here.

[sarisataka]

95. You will never see me

deny jury bias.

I've given up alerting on anything gun related. A few months back I tried alerting on a post that would have been a 7-0 hide on any other topic. Instead it was a 2-5 leave with three vote comments indicating they were saying leave simply because they hated guns/owners.

It is obvious the "community standards" are flexible

[GGJohn]

78. That's got to be the stupidest button and sig line I've ever seen.

[beardown]

83. FOX news has competition

This thread fits neatly alongside the right's claims of Obama being a Islamofascist. Has the NRA beheaded anyone lately? Have they invaded several states in an attempt to set up the United States of the NRA? Destroyed the faces at Mr Rushmore?

Don't like it from the right as it usually indicates abandoning reason and facts and going full on irrational emotional fear baiting.

Don't like it from the left as it usually indicates abandoning reason and facts and going full on irrational emotional fear baiting.

So are terrorist claims the new Goodwins law (whoever playing the Hitler card is named after)?

No friend of the NRA and despite that this type of approach divides us farther apart on finding common ground as it signals there is no possibility of finding reasonable or reachable or effective compromises.

This is so far over the top I have to wonder if it's a false flag type of post from a NRA supporter trying to discredit gun controllers.

[gejohnston]

93. close the ISIS loophole