11 Yr Old Boy Kills 12 Yr Old Brother - Gun Unharmed

[SoCalMusicLover]

A young boy has killed his older brother in a tragic shooting accident during target practice in Ohio.

The brothers had been using a handgun with live ammunition for the shooting practice when the 11-year-old boy had accidentally shot his brother, police said.

The 12-year-old victim, from Moore, South Carolina, was fatally shot in the head died at the scene.

No gun was injured during the incident. And remember, it was just a harmless accident.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261900/South-Carolina-boy-11-accidentally-shoots-kills-older-brother-12-target-practice.html

[LonePirate]

1. Thank you for the update on the gun.

I was worried for a second there. If the NRA and their puppets in Congress are to believed, that gun is more important than the lives of those two children. /sarcasm

[sarisataka]

4. Are you pleased

I mean about the gun?

Poetic Justices is stuff happens to the gunnut's kids and not everyone else's too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1224635

[LonePirate]

14. Are you suggesting we should object to Congress' prioritization of the gun over these kids' lives?

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If so, then we do not see eye to eye.

[sarisataka]

17. I do object to their inaction

I was disappointed, but not surprised, when Manchin-Toomey failed.

[LonePirate]

24. My apologies. I accidentally omitted the important word "not" from my reply.

I share you disappointment over the failure of the Manchin-Toomey bill. Congress caved, like usual, as those "pro-life" Repubs once again chose death.

[villager]

2. *As long as the gun was spared!* As we've seen with a few posters on this site...

...that's the only aspect that matters.

[sarisataka]

6. Are you pleased?

I mean about the gun?

Poetic Justices is stuff happens to the gunnut's kids and not everyone else's too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1224635

[villager]

7. No, you're the one that first looks to see if the gun made it out okay.

That would seem to be the reason you signed up to post here.

[sarisataka]

10. If I cared only about guns

There are plenty of places I could go and speak in an echo chamber.

I came here hoping to find fellow liberals who are willing to work to balance rights vs responsibility.

I have found a few like that. I have also found hypocritical blowhards who are quite bloodthirsty and hate filled. I simply gope those are trolls who have not been found yet. Democrats I grew up around may not have always been perfect but they never looked so Republican.

[villager]

11. Agree: "hate-filled bloodthirsty blowhards" abound. Though in a thread we've shared you've never

..stated what particular solutions for rampaging gun violence you unequivocally advocate.

I'd be curious to hear them.

[sarisataka]

13. I have posted several times

And would be happy to do so again. I am on my phone now but when I reach my computer will do so

[sarisataka]

18. My ideas of dealing with gun violence,

at least today. I am always looking to improve.

-Enforce the laws we have. Recently a person was sentenced to two years for making straw purchases with the intent to move seven guns over states lines. A single straw purchase can be a ten year sentence. The remarkable thing was that any jail time was involved. We can pass 100k laws but if they do not get enforced they are only words on paper.

-Pass UBC. Should have happened long ago. The issues with enforcement have been hashed over but in reality there is no downside.

-Safe storage laws. Also an enforcement issue but if keeping your kids safe isn't incentive enough, maybe the threat of jail time may make a few more act responsibly. Also, as in the first point, they must be enforced, not waived away in misplaced sympathy after a tragedy.

-Mandatory reporting of stolen/lost firearms. Goes well with the above point. Criminal culpability may be considered for extreme negligence.

-- Get DV laws passed to remove guns from those who are a high risk of violence. The MN law (which helped campaign for) is a good example. It removes guns to protect potential victims but also has due process provisions to protect the accused.

-Fix carry laws. All carry must be shall issue (to avoid racist enforcement) but can include refusal by LE "for good cause". If the person is known to LE as a trouble maker, multiple DUIs misdemeanors etc., then they can be denied. If the person wishes, they can appeal and LE can put their evidence before a judge. If found insufficient or frivolous then LE pays legal costs.
--Also to get a PTC, class time including laws on legal self defense should be required. A practical shooting test comparable to local LE would also be required.
---While I personally do not object to open carry, it typically causes undo alarm. Allow concealed with no more that a citation for inadvertent exposure. This would also solve the issue of idiots who carry rifles everywhere.

-Fix SYG. While the theory that a person should have no civil liability for legitimate self defense is good, in practice the issue is murky. I do not have the legal expertise to suggest specific changes.

-I know I'm forgetting something obvious that I usually include, but getting any one of these passed will be a major effort in today's political climate.

These all address the gun side of the equation, which I look on as treating the fever of an ill person. It is a symptom, not the disease. That must be treated on a social level. I found this list a good start

1. Access to alcohol and drug treatment and rehab
2. Prison reform
3. Curbing the school-to-prison pipeline
4. Addressing structural racism and investing in young black men
5. Correcting income inequality
6. Addressing gender inequality and "macho" culture

[villager]

22. There's much we can agree on here. Including "idiots who carry rifles everywhere."

But it's a good list. Obviously I'm completely comfortable with the return of an automatic weapons ban as well -- I will be upfront about where I surpass your list -- and I think magazine capacity needs to be regulated, too.

But: We all have to start on the areas we agree on, and you are right that getting anything passed from your list -- never mind mine -- "will be a major effort."

So presumably you will be joining the rest of us in those efforts.

You do realize that list of yours makes you an enemy of the NRA too, right?

[sarisataka]

26. I am persona non grata

On several gun boards. Somehow I still sleep at night.

IMO the benefits of trying for an AWB outweigh the costs. I'm negotiable on magazine limits.

I helped present the MN DV bill to other gun owners via talk at the range, chat boards, safety classes etc. We network at a personal level. But it we gained enough support the NRA caved and supported the bill.

There is much distrust out there. Put up good clean bills where we agree. It may take a few tries but they will pass. Then we can move onto more contentious proposals.

Until trust rebuilds, home run- regulate everything and ban others- won't go anywhere. Not my choice, simply honest reality.

[villager]

32. The only reason you should be haunted enough to *not* sleep at night is if gun boards welcomed...

...your world view.

But I guess "haunted" implies "introspection," so that rules out gun boards anyway.

Glad to have you getting good shut eye. You know, you can start leading with what's reasonable about your gun views, rather that always starting with the "wide (defensive) stance" so common -- de rigueur! -- among gungeon habitues...

[gejohnston]

28. automatic weapons are banned

the 1930s are calling. AFAIK, there were four mass shootings with automatic weapons this year. All of them were in Europe. The last one in the US I can find was 14 Feb 1929 in Chicago.

[villager]

30. Oh, George.

If I had the energy right now, I'd realize you were overdue for my ignore list.

You keep right on lovin' those guns of yours, though, hear?

[gejohnston]

31. I just find technical ignorance

annoying and it hurts your cause.

[gejohnston]

29. correction about one thing

civil immunity isn't always connected to SYG. For example, Wyoming is duty to retreat but has civil immunity. California is SYG, but may not have it.

[sarisataka]

35. Correct they are two issues

I spoke of SYG colloquially which is inaccurate.

[DashOneBravo]

33. Here's one

Mandatory waiting period for first time buyers.

[sarisataka]

36. Possible

By allowing CDC to objectively study gun violence it could be determined if a waiting period would help lower deaths, suicides in particular.

Anecdotal evidence says yes. If data supports that I would support a waiting period with an exception process for a person known to be in danger.

[sarisataka]

3. Are you pleased?

I mean about the gun?

Poetic Justices is stuff happens to the gunnut's kids and not everyone else's too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1224635

[Ed Suspicious]

5. Que obligatory post describing make model caliber etc of

the victim. Also a reminder that this is my rifle, this is my gun, first one is for killing second is for fun, and how your misidentification invalidates the point of the OP incoming.

[sarisataka]

8. The victim is the gun?

You must be pleased
I mean about the gun

Poetic Justices is stuff happens to the gunnut's kids and not everyone else's too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1224635

[Ed Suspicious]

9. Seemingly. If the child were anything other than meaningless

to the story, gunners might stop unecessarily risking their kid's lives.

[sarisataka]

12. Everyone is entitled to their opinion

But if the child's death did not involve a gun you wouldn't even notice.

[enough]

15. Some adult is criminally negligent in this situation. (nt)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. Welcome

You are user #2 to ever be awarded one.

[Snobblevitch]

19. I don't understand why any DUer would post

sarcasm at the expense of a dead child and his family who will suffer his loss for the rest of their lives.

[SoCalMusicLover]

20. Suffer? I Bet They Will - They Brought Kids To This

This didn't just happen. Someone left a gun lying on the picnic table for anyone to grab. I guess I missed out on fun things like target practice in my youth. Perhaps that's one reason I'm still alive. I guess I'll never know, nor would I want to.

But the point of my post is that the gun will live on. And I'm sure they place some value on that, and would be "dead" set against anything which would have infringed upon their right to take their 11 & 12 year old sons to go shoot off guns.

And I'm also certain it won't stop the 11 year old from shooting again, but perhaps from now on he'll be a bit more careful. You see, guns can be dangerous in addition to being a fun way of spending a Saturday afternoon.

[Snobblevitch]

21. I find it almost unbelievable that you would mock that family.

[Lurks Often]

25. Anything is fair game to promote their failing agenda

Long before all the facts are known it's the gun controller's who are always first to start the posts about the shootings, often hoping it is a white male as well.

Just watch how fast the posts go away when the shooter happens to be a minority or a liberal

[ManiacJoe]

23. Negligence by the adults.

'The 11-year-old picked up a weapon off of a picnic table. He accidentally shot it', Sheriff Williams told Canton Rep.

All the guns on the table should have been unloaded while not being actively used.

[SheilaT]

27. Just another tragic accident. Totally unpreventable.

And of course, no one, least of all the parents, should be charged. Or ever, ever, face any restrictions in their future gun ownership. Because, after all, they've suffered enough.

And anyone is doesn't get the sarcasm here . . . . well, nevermind.

[ileus]

34. When training youths you have to beat all rules into their head every outing.

My son is 11 and I still harp on the rules and quip at every little misstep no matter what it may be, and he's been shooting since he was 4.


Of course I'm also nervous when he takes the field during a football game or hit the trail on his dirtbike or ATV. Heck for that matter I've seen both my kids in some really bad bike crashes... And my wife harps on me every time we hit the lake or river in the kayaks.


Safety first, dying never. (well unintentional dying that is)