Legal guns fuel criminal gunfire

[SecularMotion]

Guns have blazed a bloody path through the news in recent weeks. A TV reporter and cameraman killed on live TV in Virginia. A Texas sheriff's deputy shot 15 times at a gas station. A state trooper in Louisiana and a policeman in Illinois fatally shot in the line of duty. In Raleigh, a gunman went on a rampage, killing a pawn shop owner, raping a 15-year-old girl and shooting and robbing a man entering a New Bern Avenue hotel.

For many gun rights supporters the answer to such mayhem is more guns, though in these cases the pawn shop owner, the deputy and the officer were armed. They say guns in the classroom could have stopped the Virginia Tech massacre or the mass killing in the Colorado movie theater. That’s why we need guns in bars, restaurants, schools, playgrounds and national parks.

Their line is that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. But an Associated Press story that ran the day before the shooting on live TV raised a starkly different point. It said most guns used in crimes are stolen, but not from gun shops or pawn shops. They’re stolen from homes and cars.

The growing number of law-abiding Americans who feel compelled to arm themselves is feeding the flow to criminals. Perhaps the phrase should be revised: If guns are outlawed, outlaws would have a harder time finding and affording guns.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/ned-barnett/article34121007.html

[beevul]

1. Remove the 'criminals' from the equation...

Remove the 'criminals' from the equation, and leave those of us who make up 99.9x percent of gun owners who are not criminals alone.

[Duckhunter935]

2. Lets fully enforce existing laws

and ensure correct data is in the NICS. We should also fully fund mental heath services.

I am sure you would agree with that if you would care to follow the group SOP and actually discuss it.

[sarisataka]

3. Now guns don't only kill

they rape and rob also? Evil, pure evil.

This statement is intriguing:

Long prison sentences for breaking into a car would be expensive and unfair, especially because there’s no serious penalty for someone who leaves their Glock in the glove compartment and it gets into a criminal’s hands.

So it is expensive and unfair to punish the person stealing the gun but plenty of money to lock up the guy who had his gun stolen after he locked it in the glove compartment inside of the locked car. I wonder if he gets a reduced sentence by using a trigger lock?

[jimmy the one]

10. stop making non sequiturs

sarisatak cites link: ......... This statement is intriguing: Long prison sentences for breaking into a car would be expensive and unfair, especially because there’s no serious penalty for someone who leaves their Glock in the glove compartment and it gets into a criminal’s hands.

sarisataka remarks: So it is expensive and unfair to punish the person stealing the gun but plenty of money to lock up the guy who had his gun stolen after he locked it in the glove compartment inside of the locked car. I wonder if he gets a reduced sentence by using a trigger lock?

You really need to stop making errant non sequiturs based upon your own poorly derived false premises.
Observe your false premises:

sari: 1) So it is expensive and unfair to punish the person stealing the gun
What was actually written: Long prison sentences for breaking into a car would be expensive and unfair

Sari misrepresents saying the link said it was "expensive & unfair to punish the person stealing the gun", when the link did not say that at all, just that LONG prison sentences were expensive (true), and unfair (possibly depending on record & other).

Sari: 2) So it is expensive and unfair to punish the person stealing the gun but plenty of money to lock up the guy who had his gun stolen after he locked it in the glove compartment inside of the locked car.

Please explain, sarisataka, how you got to that inane conclusion when there was NOTHING to suggest that the there was 'plenty of money to lock up the' gun owner whose gun was stolen, nor any expressed intent to lock him up. The link said just that there was no serious penalty, such as a substantial fine or probation perhaps, to the gun owner who leaves guns unsecured in his locked or unlocked car.
Note the spin from sari, thinking a car needs be 'locked' to be broken into. It does not. you didn't know that, sarisataka? well now you do, eh? but it makes you unqualified to preach much about laws, until you bone up.

link: Long prison sentences for breaking into a car would be expensive and unfair, especially because there’s no serious penalty for someone who leaves their Glock in the glove compartment and it gets into a criminal’s hands

You shouldn't leave a dangerous killing gun machine in an unsecured manner, is what author meant by 'especially', since owner's setting bait, even tho he doesn't realize it nor intend to. But if his negligence results in a firearm being stolen, there should be some shared blame for that (lesser to the gun owner course), depending on circumstances.

[DonP]

4. Soooo, the "logic" here is what?

Criminals are out there committing heinous crimes, some with stolen guns.

Some of us choose to carry to have a chance to protect our selves from said criminals.

Somehow, because some of us have guns, it's our fault the criminals are doing all this because of our guns.

"If guns are outlawed, outlaws would have a harder time finding and affording guns."

Yeah, that "logic" works great, it just calls for honest people to remain defenseless in the gun controllers vague "hope" that eventually bad guys won't have quite as many guns.

Just like they do in Mexico and it works so well there.

[sarisataka]

5. "If guns are outlawed

Remember nobody is actually saying/recommending that.

[DonP]

6. Sounds more like ...

... "If guns are outlawed ... maybe ... someday ... outlaws will have a harder time getting guns, but we're not sure, but heck, let's try it anyway."

Hard to fit that one on a bumper sticker and that's about the level of intellect most gun controllers bring to the non-discussion.

[Eleanors38]

7. meh.

[SecularMotion]

8. Kick

[Straw Man]

9. Kick of a cut-and-paste ...

... that was posted without comment in the first place? Such commitment! Such dedication!

They say guns in the classroom could have stopped the Virginia Tech massacre or the mass killing in the Colorado movie theater. That’s why we need guns in bars, restaurants, schools, playgrounds and national parks.

Guns in the classroom could have stopped the movie theater shooting? Who said that? I smell straw ...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. okay

you mentioned the issue of firearms stolen, what should be required for storage? what should happen to those that steal firearms?

[ileus]

12. What we need is a precrime agency.