So once the Second Amendment is repealed (x-post)

[sarisataka]

from GD http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027115121

and gun ownership prohibited, who will be entrusted to enforce this?

I am curious how much power we will allow police to have for enforcement. Will police arrest anyone in possession of a gun as they encounter them, will we allow the police to go house to house and confiscate guns or will it be like illegal immigration and left up to Federal enforcement?

Will any additional weaponry be authorized for use in enforcing the new paradigm?

[ileus]

1. Making more readily available easy victims isn't a progressive solution.

We shouldn't even have to discuss allowing LEO's the power to crack skulls and take what they want from us.

[Eleanors38]

2. Prohibition schemes result in:

1). Massive prison building programs
2). Massive diversion of LEO assets
3). Massive incarceration
4). Massive black market networks
5). Thundering corruption
6). Increase in violence to effect 4)
7). Little discernible effect on the purported benefits (if any were enunciated) of prohibition.
8). Massive decline in respect for LEO and governing institutions
9). Massive social costs in terms of family break-up, lost earnings, loss of tax base

If any of this sounds familiar to other prohibitions, it is. The big diff is that tens of millions of Americans will do more than ignore or get around such a measure. They Will resist such a move.

[Runningdawg]

3. There is no way

gun confiscation can be attempted without a civil war.
You remember all the nut jobs freaking out over Jade Helm? Bundys ranch? Oath keepers in Ferguson and on the border? For every open/concealed carrier that steps into the light of public view, hundreds more are the shadows. A civil war would be playing right into their hands. I'm not saying they would win, only that they ARE going to die trying, and will take a great number of innocents with them.

[beevul]

4. I agree.

However, I'd add, that most of the groups you cite, and the individuals within them, regardless of their politics, in all likelyhood just want to be left alone on the issue.

I'm not so sure that a civil war is something that they or anyone else want.

[sarisataka]

5. It depends on how

the actions would be implemented.

Much like we are seeing in New York, most people would opt for non-violent non-compliance. It appears that mostly law enforcement is siding the citizens.

Though I do not support draconian action I do critical thinking which includes how will we accomplish the idea. It appears so far that those wanting all guns confiscated or even a significant number removed from public hands have absolutely no idea how to do it. They hope it will just happen.

[Runningdawg]

6. When discussing confisation with people

who are in favor of it, I always ask them to keep one thing in mind - Are YOU ready to give up the protection of the 4th Amendment?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. According to Heraclitus:

"Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back."

So of those 80,000,000 gun owners, if Heraclitus' approximation was close to correct, more than half a million armed civilians would make ample warriors, not just Summer soldiers but warriors. A warrior is a veritable pit bull in a battle. They learn fast, they have courage in the face of superior forces and they do what it takes. I'd guess many wouldn't feel good about fighting other Americans.

I hope to never see that. There wouldn't be a winning side.

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. "I hope to never see that. There wouldn't be a winning side." That can't be repeated enough

It would make the Troubles in Northern Ireland look like a minor football riot

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. The thinking of free men

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Churchill

To a person who asked how a man might best maintain his present favorable circumstances, the Spartan replied:
"By not trusting everything to Fortune."

[lastlib]

10. So much for the "law-abiding citizen" meme.........

[GGJohn]

11. Would you say the same thing about those that are buying and smoking pot in CO.?

Despite it being against Federal law?

[virginia mountainman]

12. Under no obligation to obey unjust laws...

You going to enforce it??

[beevul]

13. Oh, so you'd just 'go to the back of the bus', would you?

Unjust is unjust.

[beergood]

14. you do know this used to be illegal

as well as this

do you support civil disobedience?

Malcolm x had this to say,

[DonP]

15. Oh the irony - check out his sig line

You might want to edit your sig line since you obviously don't believe in it and add something like; "... except for gun nutz, it's OK to confiscate their property with extreme prejudice if needed".