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raccoon

(31,470 posts)
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:02 PM Aug 2018

What historical events really mean in practical terms.

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For instance, regarding the Battle of Waterloo:

“At stake was control over Europe for the foreseeable future. A French victory would mean a radical change in the power equation. No longer would Britain and British commercial interests be predominant. Important investments would turn, as it were, on the flip of a coin. Governments allied with Britain might default on their debts. Traders could be cut off from their markets. The British East India Company’s lucrative trade with India and the Orient could be threatened. Even the internal security of Britain itself could be endangered.”

From Blood in the Streets by James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg. New York: Warner Books, 1988.

This is what I like to read in history books. What was the real meaning of the event. Other than simply, “the British won the battle of Waterloo.”

Also in this book, these guys talk about changes in the power equation among foreign governments, technological determinism, etc. I don’t agree with a lot they say in this book—They seem pretty right wing.

I like the way they explained the consequences of events such as the battle of Waterloo. Consequences which might occur to a historian but they didn’t occur to me.

If there is a scholarly term for what I’m trying to express, please let me know. Also if you know of any other books or authors and that discuss this sort of thing.

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What historical events really mean in practical terms. (Original Post) raccoon Aug 2018 OP
The only history worth reading is this kind The Blue Flower Aug 2018 #1
"turning points" Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #2
#2 -- Trebizond and Theodoro, last fragments of the Roman Empire, fell in 1461 and 1475. eppur_se_muova Aug 2018 #4
Sounds interesting. I'll look into it. Nt raccoon Aug 2018 #5
My feeling is that a French victory at Waterloo would have bought Napolean a little more time Kaleva Aug 2018 #3
Britain wasn't in real danger after the victory at Trafalgar. eppur_se_muova Aug 2018 #6

The Blue Flower

(5,640 posts)
1. The only history worth reading is this kind
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:15 PM
Aug 2018

Context and consequences are so much more important than the event. I'll never forget the high school teacher who taught this way.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,024 posts)
2. "turning points"
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:18 PM
Aug 2018

(not to advertise. This is just as an example of a selection that can be made and was made by a lecturer.)

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/turning-points-in-modern-history.html
24 lectures

1
1433—The Great Voyages of Admiral Zheng He
Explore the idea of modernity and define “turning point.” Then, consider why Chinese admiral Zheng He’s voyages promoting the power of China’s authority did not continue as part of a larger campaign of discovery—and what the consequences might have been had he reached the Americas

2
1453—The Fall of Constantinople
Although many educated people think they know about the fall of the Roman Empire, Professor Liulevicius says the end actually happened 1,000 years later with the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks. Delve deeper into this event and learn the trauma the loss created for Europeans.

3
1455—Gutenberg’s Print Revolution
Trace how Johannes Gutenberg’s introduction of a press with movable type sparked a print revolution, becoming a key factor in the Protestant Reformation, the Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution, and the standardization of vernacular languages.

4
1492—The Columbian Exchange
Without intending to, Christopher Columbus’s search for Asia initiated an event that has been called the most important historical turning point of modern times. Investigate how Columbus’s encounter with the Americas brought distant peoples together politically, culturally, and environmentally in ways that were simultaneously productive and deeply destructive.

5
1600—The British East India Company
The English and Dutch East India companies coexisted in the Spice Islands as they worked to outflank the Portuguese, but their rivalry soon escalated into war. Examine the founding and meteoric growth of the East India Company and the violence that ultimately led Britain to establish an empire on which the sun never set.

6
1648—The Treaty of Westphalia
The Thirty Years War involved some million soldiers and mass civilian casualties. Explore the significance of the Peace of Westphalia, the settlement that ended the war in 1648—a vital turning point that still shapes how international politics are handled.

7
1676—Van Leeuwenhoek’s Microscope
Trace how Anton van Leeuwenhoek’s striking discovery fit into the larger Scientific Revolution and shifted intellectual authority from classic texts to that which is observable and measurable.

8
1751—Diderot’s Enlightenment Encyclopedia
The Encyclopédie was the most ambitious reference work and publishing project of its time. Discover how the editors made knowledge accessible to a mass audience and championed the Enlightenment’s progressive, secular message, despite fierce opposition from the Catholic Church.

9
1787—The American Experiment
Learn how America’s founders established a model of a republic through debate, compromise, separation of powers, and a flexible Constitution.

10
1789—The French Revolution
How did France’s fight for liberation from royal authority lead to Napoleon’s rise and even greater despotism? Contrast events in America with those in France to see how attempts at creating modern republics radically diverged.

11
1838—The British Slavery Abolition Act
Confront the harsh realities of the African slave trade and consider the role social mobilization played in eradicating the institution across the British Empire.

12
1839—The Opium War in China
Delve into the causes, conflicts, and consequences of the Opium Wars, in which China was psychologically devastated and subjugated by British imperialism.

13
1859—Darwin and the Origin of Species
Discover how a simple observation inspired Darwin’s theories of evolution and natural selection, and why his Origin of Species was eagerly accepted by much of Victorian society. Then, look at how the Nazis and others distorted Darwin’s ideas.

14
1869—Binding Continents
In 1869, two events connected the world through modern technology, giving science vast significance as a source of authority. Learn how the building of the Transcontinental Railroad in the United States and the Suez Canal in Egypt revolutionized the way people perceived space and time.

15
1893—First Women Voters in New Zealand
Follow the fight for women’s suffrage in New Zealand and America, as two global trends—the demand for women’s political voice and the growth of settler societies—intersected.

16
1896—The Invention of Motion Pictures
Motion pictures revolutionized people’s view of the world. Survey early movie culture, along with the contributions of Thomas Edison, Georges Méliès, and others, then see how the medium became “weaponized” by Bolsheviks in Russia and Nazis in Germany.

17
1903—Kitty Hawk and Powered Flight
Witness the dawning of the air age and meet the Montgolfier brothers, the Wright brothers, and others who brought humanity’s dream of flying to fruition. Then, explore how aviation shaped the experience of modernity, from the relative ease of travel to the stark reality of “total warfare.”

18
1904—The Russo-Japanese War
To the world’s surprise, Japan defeated Russia in the Russo-Japanese War. Learn how this conflict fought with industrialized weapons reconfigured world politics by igniting the process of global decolonization, establishing Japan as a great power, and setting the stage for two world wars.

19
1928—The Discovery of Penicillin
The advance of antibiotics occurred amid the larger context of the development of germ theory. Trace how scientists’ understanding of the mechanisms of infection and disease evolved during the 19th century—and see how Alexander Fleming stumbled upon his life-saving discovery.

20
1942—The Dawn of the Atom
When German physicists split the atom, Albert Einstein warned President Roosevelt of the potential for “extremely powerful bombs of a new type.” Chart the course of the nuclear bomb from this letter through the first nuclear chain reaction led by physicist Enrico Fermi, the Manhattan Project, and devastation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

21
1969—Walking on the Moon
The moon landing expanded humanity’s sense of the possible. Learn how the space program grew out of advances in rocketry during World War II and advanced rapidly due to cold war paranoia exacerbated by the launch of Sputnik.

22
1972—China Enters the World Balance
Nixon’s meeting with Mao shifted the cold war’s balance and returned China to the world stage. Learn the reasons for Nixon’s trip, the consequences of which still reverberate, and plot the rise of Mao and communism in China. Then, see how Deng Xiaoping’s promotion of private enterprise began a trajectory of growth that continues.

23
1989—The Fall of the Berlin Wall
How did a bureaucratic blunder by a Politburo member lead to the fall of the Berlin Wall? Find out as you examine the surprisingly peaceful collapse of the Soviet Union and Communist regimes in Central and Eastern Europe.

24
2004—The Rise of Social Media
Are the Web and social media making us more globally connected or locking us into niche societies and creating an epidemic of loneliness? Probe both the power and the perils of the Internet—from aiding popular uprisings to rewiring our brains.

eppur_se_muova

(37,501 posts)
4. #2 -- Trebizond and Theodoro, last fragments of the Roman Empire, fell in 1461 and 1475.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:24 PM
Aug 2018

I have occasionally wondered if any subjects of these kingdoms survived to sail to the New World -- don't know if a complete list of Columbus' crews exists; if so it would be interesting to scour them for sailors from the Eastern Mediterranean to see if any might have been born "Roman" subjects.

Kaleva

(38,251 posts)
3. My feeling is that a French victory at Waterloo would have bought Napolean a little more time
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:25 PM
Aug 2018

before being finally defeated by the combined might of the Allies. Had Napolean won at Waterloo, the battle would be a well remembered today as the the Battle of Ligny is.

eppur_se_muova

(37,501 posts)
6. Britain wasn't in real danger after the victory at Trafalgar.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:45 PM
Aug 2018
The Royal Navy succeeded in keeping Napoleon confined to continental Europe, and the Russian campaign cost so many men and horses that Napoleon could not raise enough cavalry in later campaigns. The failure of the Russian campaign was the beginning of the end; there was no bouncing back from that. A French victory at Waterloo would have delayed the inevitable only a little.
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