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Related: About this forumWho would have made an interesting president, but never got the shot?
The first two I think of were Mario Cuomo and Bruce Babbitt. Cuomo was tough, compassionate, FDRish (with a little dash of Adlai), and an amazingly subtle thinker. 1988 was his year and I think he could've womped the hell out of Poppy in the general election. So much would've been different (including, possibly, no Speaker New Gingrich!).
Babbitt was kind of an odd duck. He talked like Jimmy Stewart and had no physical control over the erratic gyrations of his own eyebrows when he was talking. But he was a truly committed, passionate environmentalist of the sort that Teddy Roosevelt could only pretend to be. Whenever I heard him speak, I heard a man with a deep connection to the land and legacy--environmental and political, too--we leave to the next generation. In that sense, I tend to think we'd have a much smaller debt problem today if America had had him at the helm for 8 years.
Who else might've blown our minds via the White House?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)But he didn't have a prayer of getting elected.
cdogzilla
(48 posts)Now to check down the list and see if anyone has already mentioned Bob LaFollette, Bill Bradley, Jerry Brown ...
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Do you (1) think he would be a good administrator or (b) would be able to get anything through Congress or (iii) have any sort of good foreign relationships?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)There are other qualities that I consider, such as tone and personal world view.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)If you want to get things done politically, you need to be able to. I do not see Chomsky being able to.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)So yes, I could seriously see him compromising on some issues.
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Ptah
(33,496 posts)Michael Joseph Mansfield (March 16, 1903 October 5, 2001) was an American
politician and diplomat. A member of the Democratic Party, he served as a
U.S. Representative (19431953) and a U.S. Senator (19531977) from Montana.
He was the longest-serving Senate Majority Leader, serving from 1961 to 1977.
During his tenure, he shepherded Great Society programs through the Senate,
but strongly opposed the Vietnam War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mansfield
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)It would have been an interesting ride.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)no_hypocrisy
(48,860 posts)I voted for Anderson in the republican primaries and later when he was an Independent. It should have been him, not Reagan.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)He could have been a fantastic President.
DavidL
(384 posts)He was well ahead of a time when he could have carried 270 electoral votes, I fear. I was around as a voting adult in 1968. I lived in the Boston area, where schools were still largely segregated by areas of the city. I can only imagine what it was like in the deep South.
People actually talked about him getting into politics, my liberal relatives, at least. But, of course, it was too early for him, and he tragically was shot before a majority of American voters were ready for his wonderful message of unity.
My two cents on the issue.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)of Dr. King being nominated by the Peace and Freedom Party, with Benjamin Spock(their eventual nominee)as his running mate.
If LBJ had still insisted on making the Dems nominate Humphrey and adopt a "keep the war going" plank on Vietnam, a King-Spock ticket would have stood a real chance(and, I would argue, have been assured of victory if LBJ had been re-nominated, which was apparently still a possibility during the Chicago convention).
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He had the strength of character. In addition, he inspired people when he spoke.
He is the missing president of the 20th century.
He was well educated too. His mastery of the English language and speech were exquisite, just beautiful.
Definitely the missed president.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)Jimmy Carter most everywhere by about 1%. Such is the cruelty of history. He was a class act, a western (Arizona) congressman, a liberal Mormon and brother of JFK's Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall. His son Mark is a current senator from Colorado and his nephew Tom is a senator from New Mexico.
He was a Democrat way back when that really meant something. And he's probably one of the greatest presidents America never had, at least in my opinion...
Here's to you, Mo, and what might have been.....
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)jonpaulprime
(104 posts)Populist. Would've been interesting.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Governor of New York and Vice President under Gerald Ford.
"Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (July 8, 1908 January 26, 1979) was an American businessman, philanthropist, public servant, and politician. He served as the 41st Vice President of the United States (19741977), serving under President Gerald Ford, and as the 49th Governor of New York (19591973). He also served in the administrations of Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower in a variety of positions. A member of the Rockefeller family, he was also a noted art collector."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller
danbenbow
(41 posts)Al Gore is the most obvious answer to this question..
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)SCALA13
(69 posts)StevieM
(10,541 posts)gotten the Democratic nomination in 1976. By the time Election Day rolled around, Carter's margin had crumbled and he had to rely on a coalition of liberal and conservative, southern states--a coalition only available to him. Ford might very well had pulled off the long-coveted Truman-style shocking upset.
But I think Udall was the president we needed back then and would have done a good job.
I also liked Gary Hart and Mario Cuomo a lot and would have been interested in seeing either one of them elected to the White House in 1988.
It's very interesting to think of what would have happened if Al Gore was in the White House after 9/11.
All the examples I gave are ones that realistically could have happened with a couple of minor differences in the way that history played out. Gore could have won in 2000--and many would argue that he actually did. Udall could have won the nomination in 1976, and probably would have if not for Carter's shocking emergence. And he could have beaten Ford in the GE. Hart and Cuomo were both electable in 1988 vs. George HW Bush.
On the other hand, William Jennings Bryan and Adlai Stevenson were never realistically going to win their elections.
I think the most interesting what if is Henry Wallace. What if FDR hadn't dumped him from the ticket and he had become president after Roosevelt died?
47of74
(18,470 posts)Gore wouldn't have sat on his ass when the reports started to come in about terrorists wanting to use airliners as weapons long beforehand. 9/11 would have just had been another late summer Tuesday.
Even if something had happened on 9/11 with Gore in charge you would not have had the Iraq war, Gore would have gone after the responsible parties and brought them to justice.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)information about Saudi Arabia's links to the event.
But I agree that Gore would have handled it far more wisely.
cdogzilla
(48 posts)cdogzilla
(48 posts)Bradley was an incredibly compelling candidate. He was for universal health care, increased gun control, and campaign finance reform ... and the thing I probably would take greatest issue with him on as a lefty would have made him more palatable to centrists and tax-hating crowd. (I'm not a fan of the TRA of '86.)
I guess it says something that his personality didn't outshine Al Gore's But, W. had a good ol' boy personality and look where that got us.
Back in the day, I used to visit this page quite a bit: http://www.kevincmurphy.com/billbradley0.html
Southern Belle Blue
(22 posts)We'd be living in a much more peaceful world if he'd replaced FDR instead of Cold Warrior Truman.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)thucythucy
(8,742 posts)but conservatives hated him so much they forced FDR to drop him from the ticket in 1944.
thucythucy
(8,742 posts)I think Lincoln belongs on this list because he never had the chance to serve the remaining three years, eleven months of his second term.
His idea of Reconstruction would have radically changed the south. He's often portrayed as "soft" on Reconstruction, but he was in favor of seizing the holdings of wealthy slave owners, dividing them up among poor whites and freed slaves. "Forty Acres and a mule." What today we'd call land reform. Andrew Johnson's first act as president was to sign an executive order removing jurisdiction of seized land from the Freedman's Bureau.
Lincoln's assassination was a racist act. Booth was an outspoken white supremacist.
Our nation still hasn't recovered from that single incident of racist gun violence.
On edit: meant to post this in reply to the OP. Need. More. Coffee.
boatsnhose
(40 posts)I am very curious as to how the country would be today if Gore had actually made it to the white house.
47of74
(18,470 posts)I remember prior to Clinton the name Paul Tsongas seemed to come up the most in the year before the 92 election.
If Clinton hadn't pulled off his comeback I wonder if Paul Tsongas would have gone on to win the nomination or if it would have gone to Jerry Brown? Would his policies (which were criticized for being closer to Republican policies than Democratic ones) have brought about the same levels of economic activity that Clinton did?
Also Tsongas had non-Hodgkins lymphoma in the mid 90s that he died from in 1997, so I wonder if that would have come in to play during his Presidency and if he would have died in office? Would that have been an issue in a 1996 Tsongas campaign? Would he have run for political office then?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Clinton cleaned up in the south, though and had more cash.
He (his Senate staff, really--he had excellent constituent services even as a brand new Senator) helped me out in a very specific way after the fall of Iran--I'll always be grateful to him.
His wife Niki is in the House now--she does a good job.
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paul ofnoclique
(81 posts)'nuff said!
lastlib
(24,936 posts)...if Hubert Humphrey had beaten Nixon in 1968.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Not sure Bobby would've taken the #2 spot. I'm pretty sure Humphrey would have beaten Kennedy for the nomination. Not enough delegates were going to Chicago based on primary votes and the caucuses in the 60s were still very much controlled by party bosses. Speaking of Chicago... that would have been a VERY difference convention without Robert Kennedy's murder. The tone of desperation that that assassination brought on had a huge impact on the zeitgeist.
aswanson
(50 posts)Al Gore
SheriffBob
(552 posts)But he was shot. Sickening.
Rhiannon12866
(222,570 posts)I believe he would have gone down as one of our greatest in history. Such a waste.
Welcome to DU, SheriffBob! It's great to have you with us!
RedHornet44
(2 posts)Ralph Nader. He would have kept corporate power in check and would have enacted or supported legislation for businesses at the state and municipal levels and community institutions.
MADem
(135,425 posts)RedHornet44
(2 posts)There would have been no cold war. No race riots and prosperity for the working man. He was also a very practical politician.
RealityChik
(382 posts)JFK Jr?
Howard Dean - the OLD Howard Dean, of "the scream" fame, not medical industry lobbyist Howard Dean.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Adlai had Eleanor Roosevelt's support - good enough for me. But he was considered intellectual, so no dice, not here.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)ParanoidFactoid
(17 posts)I would have liked Ross Perot. I know it won't be a popular response. But his 'giant sucking sound' argument against NAFTA turned out to be prescient. Also: charts.
JustAnotherGen
(33,652 posts)stephensolomita
(91 posts)Hillary was the candidate most prepared to be President in all of American History, with extensive experience in two branches of government.
Binders Keepers
(369 posts)Ran in '76. Finished second to Carter, if I remember correctly.
hibbing
(10,402 posts)His speech at the convention was magnificent.
Peace
stephensolomita
(91 posts)As a resident of NYS, I can say with some accuracy, that most progressives do not trust Cuomo, what with his tax-free business zones and his vendetta with De Blasio. Without doubt, he's an extremely calculating politician.
hibbing
(10,402 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,730 posts)Mo Udall, as others have mentioned, is also on my list.