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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 12:45 PM Feb 2022

Historians just ranked the presidents. Trump wasn't last.

Despite being impeached twice, former president Donald Trump is not the worst president in U.S. history, according to 142 presidential historians surveyed by C-SPAN, the results of which were released Wednesday. But the survey doesn’t give Trump much to brag about either. He ranked lower than William Henry Harrison, who was only president for 31 days, and John Tyler, the only former president buried in a coffin draped with the Confederate flag. So who ranked worse than Trump? According to the historians, presidents Franklin “Bleeding Kansas” Pierce, Andrew “First to Be Impeached” Johnson and James “Failed to Stop the Civil War” Buchanan, who came in last.

To be clear, this was an informal survey whose respondents were selected by C-SPAN, not a scientific poll. Dozens more historians were invited to complete the survey this time than in years past. C-SPAN said this was to reflect “new diversity in race, gender, age and philosophy,” but that also makes it harder to compare it to previous surveys.

Still, the respondents are all distinguished presidential historians covering a broad range of perspectives, and there are insights to gain from their collective opinions. Even with all the new historians participating, the top and bottom rankings remained unchanged. Since 2009, the top four presidents have been: 1) Abraham Lincoln 2) George Washington 3) Franklin D. Roosevelt and 4) Theodore Roosevelt. (Washington and FDR switched places in the 2000 survey.) The bottom three have been always been Pierce, Johnson and Buchanan, in that order.

C-SPAN is not the only outfit conducting presidential rankings, and other recent surveys have included Trump before he left office. In 2018, when Boise State University surveyed presidential scholars for its Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness survey, Trump came in last. And that was before the two impeachments, the coronavirus pandemic and the Capitol insurrection.

The historians do not rank the presidents themselves. Instead they are asked to rate each president from 1 to 10 on 10 leadership categories; the averages of all of the ratings are then ranked. The 10 categories are public persuasion, crisis leadership, economic management, moral authority, international relations, administrative skills, relations with Congress, vision/setting an agenda, pursuit of equal justice for all and performance within the context of the times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/06/30/presidential-rankings-2021-cspan-historians/

C-SPAN survey results
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

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Historians just ranked the presidents. Trump wasn't last. (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 OP
I demand a recount! zuul Feb 2022 #1
Andrew Jackson. Trail of Tears. Wondering who was surveyed. cbabe Feb 2022 #2
Nope, sorry. Trump is last. ificandream Feb 2022 #3
Trump wasn't worst Metaphorical Feb 2022 #4
History is better read from the future. Chainfire Feb 2022 #5
History of Trump is still being revealed ThoughtCriminal Feb 2022 #6
Only one person CLEARLY benefits from Trump's presidency: JAMES BUCHANAN LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #7

ificandream

(10,527 posts)
3. Nope, sorry. Trump is last.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:06 PM
Feb 2022

His lies, his scandals both before and after taking office, the high degree of corruption in his administration, his lack of leadership especially in the Covid crisis (where he really could have turned his image around), his vicious attacks on his political enemies while in office ... there's no way that anyone beats that. And if he could, I have no doubt Trump would be buried in a Confederate flag-draped coffin.

Metaphorical

(2,318 posts)
4. Trump wasn't worst
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:08 PM
Feb 2022

Trump was a veritable gentleman compared to Andrew Johnson, though not surprisingly they have a great number of similarities.

However, the only thing keeping Trump from dropping further is that he didn't manage to get the US into an unnecessary war, though not for lack of trying, and his intention to get out of Afghanistan (admittedly, to free up money for his Wall) was right for the wrong reasons.

It's also worth noting that Trump WAS the worst president of the last 160 years, beating out Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, and Richard Nixon.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
5. History is better read from the future.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:38 PM
Feb 2022

Trump's damage to the nation is not over; he is still fighting for the honor. In 20 years, he will be number 1, and I won't be around to tell you I told you so. There is no doubt in my mind that he has the competitors beat by a country mile.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,299 posts)
6. History of Trump is still being revealed
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 02:29 PM
Feb 2022

When the last document is declassified, when the testimony is done, when the consequences are fully realized, then historians will have a full picture. Then Trump will take his rightful place at the bottom of the heap.

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