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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:38 PM Dec 2020

For the coming growing season.

I am interested in cross breeding two tomato varieties. I want to cross breed a branch San Marzano tomato plant with pollen from a Portuguese oxheart tomato plant.

I will look at when to start each variety so that they go in bloom at the same time. What I am interested in is how to cross pollinate tomato flowers so that I don’t get the pollen that I don’t want on a stamen. Since tomato flowers point downward, it seems that preventing an undesired pollination is going to be a difficult task. One person believes that very small eyedroppers that can be used to suck out undesired pollen may work, although painstaking. The desired pollen can then be sprayed on the stamen. All that assumes that bees don’t blow up the entire plan, since they are industrious little beasts by day and I have just so much time to dedicate to the effort.

Any experts that have successfully cross bred tomato plants?

I realize that I won’t see the actual outcome until 2022.

On edit: I have done selection of tomato seeds to improve things like size and color, but I have never tried to cross breed. The reason why I am trying now is that I believe that I can tweak the flavor, San Marzano tomatoes are rich flavored, Portuguese Oxheart tomatoes are mellower flavored. One other option is to select seeds for several seasons until I get the San Marzano variant that I envision and forget about the cross pollination.

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For the coming growing season. (Original Post) Blue_true Dec 2020 OP
I experimented with Tiny Tim crosses many years ago Ziggysmom Dec 2020 #1
Good starter information. Blue_true Dec 2020 #5
Ask DU's resident tomato expert: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2
Right up my alley! Will bookmark and do a proper response tomorrow. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #3
Thanks. Looks like my guess on the Mother and Father plants was right, Blue_true Dec 2020 #6
How About Bagging the Flowers to Exclude Pollinators? The Roux Comes First Dec 2020 #4
Tomato blooms are self pollinators. Blue_true Dec 2020 #7
Sorry, I Understood You to Be Planning to Clear Out the Self-pollen The Roux Comes First Dec 2020 #8
That is what I planned to try, until a DU member posted a diagram that Blue_true Dec 2020 #9

Ziggysmom

(3,574 posts)
1. I experimented with Tiny Tim crosses many years ago
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:51 PM
Dec 2020

I recently saw this article which details the process nicely. I LOVE home raised tomatoes! Like to eat them just like an apple right after picking.

https://www.growingformarket.com/articles/onfarm-tomato-breeding-making-crosses-and-managing

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
5. Good starter information.
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 12:16 AM
Dec 2020

Looks like the process is easier that I felt it would be. I have never taken apart a tomato bloom, so the author lost me once the Sepals and Petals were removed and the cone was exposed. I would imagine that stuff is done to parts of the cone, but that part was unclear.

I have been mostly a seed selection jockey with tomatoes and plants had fruited. I never took the time to study the bloom structure other than the health of the blooms.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,501 posts)
3. Right up my alley! Will bookmark and do a proper response tomorrow.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:55 PM
Dec 2020

I've led an amateur tomato breeding project since 2004.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. Thanks. Looks like my guess on the Mother and Father plants was right,
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 12:18 AM
Dec 2020

but after that, I made the process way too complex and likely to fail.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. Tomato blooms are self pollinators.
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 12:20 AM
Dec 2020

So even if bees were not involved, the wind would likely be enough if it is persistent enough. So bagging the blooms likely would not work.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. That is what I planned to try, until a DU member posted a diagram that
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 08:29 PM
Dec 2020

showed my idea would not work.

I grew tomatoes successfully about three times as a child, but never tried cross pollination of two different varieties. I did do seed selection to try to improve fruit characteristics, which did seem to work some.

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