Ancestry/Genealogy
Related: About this forumIs anybody here descended from Scottish families who left Scotland because of
the Clearances?
I am researching a branch of the Campbell clan that, according to family lore, emigrated to Georgia in 1790.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)Because we have not found them actually IN Scotland. They were Stewart/Stuart so of course the lore was that they were poor relatives of the king. But there is no evidence that ties them to any royalty.
Our Stewart ancestor is a bit of a mystery - he supposedly was born in Scotland or Ireland in 1713, showed up in North Carolina and married in 1754, had a slew of kids, then died in either 1812 or maybe 1824!
From my research, I suspect that his ancestors may been Quakers that came from Ireland with another branch of the family (that his daughter married into) in the 1680s to Pennsylvania and then he came with that family to North Carolina in 1753. He could easily NOT be Scottish at all or a generation or two removed from Scotland.
I seriously doubt the 1713 birthdate - that tale came from one grandson who wrote a family history over a hundred years ago and there is no verification for either birth or death date. And even the obituary he quotes for the 1824 death date says that the 111 age is for an in law, not this ancestor, but the grandson claims - with NO VERIFIABLE PROOF - that that was a mistake. And no one has found what newspaper that obituary came out of or found any evidence other than the quote in that book!
Our Stewart does show up in the legal and land records, and census in Chatham County, North Carolina from 1766 through 1811, though it is hard to sort out since there were several Stuarts with the same first name including his own son - whose wife had the same first name as our ancestor.
There is a 1812 record in Georgia for a Stewart with the same first name whose probate was handled by his wife with the same first name. But the alleged 1824 death was in South Carolina and I have no records proving our guy ever lived there, though several of his children did move there, including the daughter who is my ancestor.
So our "Scottish" ancestor may not actually be Scottish!
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)I'd like to have more information about our heritage but I don't have a lot of money in my budget to do so (nor is it a burning cause for me!).
So I just think it would be a nice thing to give my grandchildren about their heritage...
csziggy
(34,189 posts)And what they do have, is just barebones transcriptions and not scans of the originals. Scotland is a little stingy about sharing those and you pretty much have to order them from the government there.
FamilySearch.org has transcriptions of some of the information, depending on where people are from - and it is free. A lot of what they have online are indexes to stuff you can request sent to the closest Family History Library (LDS) and some of that material does have scans of original documents. There are fees for getting the material to the local library and of course fees for making copies. But you can find a lot just by looking through their online information.
As I said, Scotland is a little sticky, but I did find a lot about my husband's later Scottish relatives from the Scottish census on Ancestry. Unlike the English or Welsh census, all I got were the transcriptions, but that does give a good amount especially if your families stayed together. Some of my Welsh and Yorkshire ancestors were working by the time they were fifteen and no longer living with their families.
The biggest problem is that the British government, including Scotland and Wales, did not do census until 1841. They also did not have comprehensive record keeping of birth, marriages, and deaths until 1837. There are parish records, but they are spotty and how complete they are depends on the individual priests who were keeping the records. Plus, quality of paper, ink and handwriting varied wildly.
If you are really lucky, your ancestors will have been "non-conformists" - Quakers are the best, but many of the other Protestant sects were nearly as good, about record keeping. The ancestors I took back the farthest with original research were early Quaker converts and I have meeting records for them as far back as the mid 1600s in Cheshire.
Check out https://www.familysearch.org/ and see what you can find. Be careful of the family trees there - just like on Ancestry, they are often not accurate and cannot be trusted. At best with online trees, I use them as a resource to locate additional original sources when I have run out of options.
Another free source are local history sites but they are very dependent on volunteers and may not be of any use at all. USGenWeb.com is great in the United States for many places and totally devoid of content for others. Some state archives are great and you can get lots online. For instance, one of the reasons I have so much on my Stewart ancestor is that Chatham County, North Carolina has all their deeds online.
In the UK some counties and parishes have local history organizations but often they charge a membership fee or sell CDs of information as a way to pay for maintaining their records. So far I have not joined any, but I may for some specific areas.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ is a good place to look up birth, marriage and death records in the UK - they have indexes online. You would have to order copies from the British government, but at least you can get a start. But, as I said, those records only go back to 1837.
Once you use up those resources, if you want, PM me some of your ancestors - I have ancestry.com World, the British equivalent The Genealogist, and a couple of other sources. I can do some quick look ups and see how much there is.
Also, once you get to the point you think you might want to join Ancestry, call them rather than sign up online. If you enroll online, they will put you on automatic renewal. If you call, you can limit the time you are subscribed by setting a cancellation date at the end of your chosen time. Then, if you want to renew, call again and you can negotiate a lower rate, usually.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)Interesting about the Welsh and English, too. I have ancestors on both sides. I am a Williams on my father's side (about as common a Welsh name as you can get!) with Hardy and Melton on the English side of his parents.
The Campbells, Browns and Amackers are on my mother's side and all lived in the South. The Brown's had to leave Georgia and go to Texas due to being unfortunately in the path of Sherman's army on his march from Atlanta to Savannah. How the others got to Texas, I do not know...
csziggy
(34,189 posts)But they were of Quaker descent and came through Pennsylvania and South Carolina.
A lot of people moved from the Carolinas through the Mississippi Territory (that became Alabama and Mississippi) then on into Texas and Arkansas. Your Georgia people may have gone along.
At least one of my gggrandmothers was born in Georgia, married in Alabama and then had children move to Arkansas and Texas. One branch moved to Arkansas but when the husband died, the widow took her children back to Alabama where she lived with her father, brother and a couple of sisters in law who had been widowed in the Civil War.
Good luck with the research and post updates or requests for help. This group can probably help and would be interested in how it's going.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)First known guy was Samuel Clark, whose family immigrated to America (mountains of Virginia) in 1735 or so (which would have been even before Culloden or the Uprising). Since we are not able to find Samuel Clark's father (the original immigrant), he may have been an indentured servant or might have just come seeking his fortune... it's still an unknown.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)There is a Samuel Clark listed as an indentured servant in a 1718/1719 document available online.
Their links directly to documents or even the search engines are unreliable. Go to http://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/ Then Collections by Topic, then use the drop down box to go to Historic Virginia Government then Virginia Colonial Records Project. In the second search box, put in Clark, Samuel. The search result has as the second hit "Clark, Samuel -- indentured servant -- 1719, SR 00873, p. 1, 2"
If you click on the image link, you find a transcription of selected papers from records of indentured servants. The immediate portion about Samuel Clark reads: "2 January 1718/1719 Memorandum that Samuel Clark of the parish of Betherton in the County of Somerset did by indenture bearing like date herewith agree to serve Philip Macduel of London, Marriner, or his assigns seven years in Virginia."
You can download a copy of the image very easily. I've gotten a lot of information on the few ancestors I had go through Virginia. On the Collections by Topic page, there is a link to go to Land Office Grants search. There are land grants to Samuel Clark in 1715 and in 1724, as well as later grants. The 1715 grant would likely not be to the same Samuel Grant who was the 1718 indentured servant, but you can do more research there to see if you can find your ancestor and trace him back.
None of my bookmarked links ever work for anything but their main page and some of the places I found don't show up there. For instance, there is a search page for wills and administration, but it is not listed anywhere I can find it - ever. I do a Google search for "virginia memory wills" and that finds it down in the list of hits as "Basic Search: Wills/Administration".
There I find Clark, Samuel, Sr., 1736 and Clark, Samuel, 1756, both in Brunswick Co. VA (the years are when the wills were probated). Could they be yours? The will records are usually just an index entry, but I think you can order copies of the originals from the Virginia State Archives - if they still exist.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)this link. I have family that came through Virginia and while not Scots, this will be helpful.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)It really sucks to have to search for them every time I want to access them. I do have the bad links in my bookmark list, mainly so I can remember the exact wording to search for.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I use something called "Instapaper" where you can create a whole list of links in one place. I have a bunch of them myself going back to certain genealogy sites for when I'm ready to print out documentation and record the info.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Thank you for the link!
I can check out those two. The first one that we have "proof" of us Samuel Clark born in Rockbridge County in 1797. (the census taker in the 1850 Bath County Census screwed up and put the county in for the state of birth... I love that census taker!
Upon looking at this Samuel Clark... I don't know what I was thinking about "before Culloden". I have a note on him that states:
Re: Clark in Bath County (http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.bath/380.1.1/mb.ashx) Posted: 25 Jul 2007 12:25PM Classification: Query Surnames: The information on Samuel Clark's father comes from a family history given to me from a cousin Jimmy Clark that lived in Bath County until his death in 2005. It reads "Samuel or Robert of Scotch descent was born in Ireland, came to PA and then to Rockbridge County,VA and finally Bath County,VA. He had several daughters and one son Samuel b.1797 d.May 8,1880 (buried in the graveyard on Clark Homestead) m. Sarah (Sallie)Windon April 12, 1827. (This information from Uncle Andrew Clark) Found in the annals of Bath County Pages 11,12,40. The Clarks were immigrants of Province Ulster, Northern part of Ireland, The County Antrim. Fled to America to get away from persecution"
Re: Bath Look up (http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.bath/785.1/mb.ashx) Posted: 18 Nov 2003 2:01PM Classification: Query Surnames: Clark, Windon I have Samuel Clark's parents as Samuel & Rachel Clark from his death record published in the 1871-1895 Bath Co., VA. Deaths
I'll go look at the link you provided to see if I can find more. Thank you so much again!!
csziggy
(34,189 posts)The index entries sometimes list other people - usually with no explanation of who they are in relation to the primary, but even without ordering the documents, they can give clues.
Someday I have to figure out how to order the documents and get a whole bundle of them. But most of my ancestors simply traveled through Virginia and didn't stay there.
Glad this might help! I've found that more and more state and even local archives are putting information online so it is worth searching for the possibility. Pennsylvania also has good stuff online. I've mostly used the early land grants so that is the link I have handy: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/land_records/3184
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)I'm a descendant of John McIntosh who reportedly played as a child on land near the Natural Bridge area long before the land was owned by Thomas Jefferson.
With the information that you provided, it will make it easier to find more.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)I've found a lot of great information there.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)He and I both still live here (Clifton Forge), and our mothers were good friends.
My late mother-in-law (Betty Louella Clark) was from Clifton Forge. She passed away in 2005 and was laid to rest in Millboro. I swear that the area was THE most beautiful place I'd ever been and I wish I had been able to enjoy it for other purposes than a funeral.
Your friend is probably related to my husband. I'll send you a PM.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)dgibby
(9,474 posts)were Blairs from clan McDonald and Leach. The Blairs went to Pa, later Va and WVa, and the Leaches settled in Calvert Co, Md, then later Va and WVa. They were mostly Presbyterian or Quaker.
The Genealogist
(4,736 posts)I know it is recorded, at least the lines that go back that far, and in this case, I am thinking of the Kincaids. I also have blood from other Scottish families, including Campbells (the one I have came, I think, to Missouri via Illinois and Ohio), that I have not traced back to their emigration.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)My understanding is that in my family, Alexander Campbell came over to Georgia. I wonder about that. Was Savannah a city that had a flux of immigrants in 1790? Or maybe he came over in Charleston, SC?
Would like to know more about this...
The Genealogist
(4,736 posts)However, my Kincaids are, to an extent. I don't have the tree open in front of me, but I believe my gggg grandfather was born in Pennsylvania but relocated to Tennessee. His son, my ggg grandfather Kincaid, fought for the South in the civil war, but later relocated briefly to Indiana before moving to Kansas; ggg grandpa Kincaid spent a few years in Texas, and died near Independence, MO, but most of the last 45 years of his life were spent in NW Kansas in Brown County. ggg grandpa's brother was a CSA captain (his own captain, in fact) in the Civil War.
I have trouble with my one Campbell, because there is no record of who her parents were. I know which family she came out of, but not who her parents were, though there is one couple in Sangamon County, IL, where she grew up mostly. Her name was Margarite Campbell. Several of her kids have names that match Campbell names there in Sangamon County. Since she married Samuel Sackett before the 1850 census, and without other records of who her parents were, exactly where her family first settled in America is elusive. She reported in the 1880 census being born in Ohio, with parents born in Ohio. Other Sacketts from Samuel's family married other Campbells from Margarite's likely family. No evidence of Southern roots from her though.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)"In the closing years of the 18th century, Georgia was a magnet for New Englanders seeking their fortunes (its Revolutionary-era governor had been Lyman Hall, a migrant from Connecticut)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Whitney
Eli whitney and some of the bush ancestors went to georgia from new england circa 1790s. the bush ancestors were in savannah.
the 'joseph fay' mentioned here is a bush uncle (with some greats)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Pl1aavDFhPUC&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=padelford+%26+fay&source=bl&ots=cnQqPcdWBH&sig=Wt4v7Tg0_u7yP8-HQm97cfvL9Xw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FVzNUanWDaryiQLolYGQCg&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=padelford%20%26%20fay&f=false
there was an established scottish merchant/trading/finance network in georgia though, e.g.
Lachlan McGillivray (Dunmaglass, Inverness, Scotland, c. 1718 1799) was a prosperous fur trader and planter in colonial Georgia with interests that extended from Savannah to what is now central Alabama. He was the father of Alexander McGillivray and the great-uncle of William McIntosh and William Weatherford, three of the most powerful and historically important Native American chiefs among the Creek of the Southeast.
Lachlan McGillivray was one of several Scottish Highlanders recruited by James Oglethorpe to act as settler-soldiers protecting the frontiers of Georgia from the Spanish in Florida, the French in the Alabama basin, and their Indian allies. On January 10, 1736, Lachlan and 176 emigrants, including women and children, arrived on board the Prince of Wales to establish the town of Darien, Georgia, originally known as New Inverness. The town was founded in January 1736 and named after the Darien Scheme, a former Scottish colony in Panama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachlan_McGillivray
Panton, Leslie & Company was a company of Scottish merchants active in trading in the Bahamas and with the Indians of what is now the Southeastern United States during the late 18th century and early 19th century.
Panton, Leslie & Company was a partnership formed by William Panton, John Leslie, Thomas Forbes, Charles McLatchy and William Alexander in 1783 for the purpose of trading with the Indians of Florida and adjacent territory claimed by Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panton,_Leslie_%26_Company
forbes here = relation of john forbes kerry
iverglas
(38,549 posts)Ancestry has very little Scottish info. The Scottish govt has cut a deal with FindMyPast and Ancestry doesn't have permission to make images of UK census records for Scotland available even, so you're left relying on their abysmal transcriptions for 1841 onward.
FreeBMD covers only England and Wales. But for anybody using it and wanting certificates, always remember to order them directly from the GRO and not from an intermediary, including Ancestry, as you will be ripped off severely.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
But back to Scotland:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Register free, search free. You have to buy credits to see results. They are cheap. You can view a page of search results for almost nothing. Downloading a copy of an actual record costs a bit more.
It won't help you, but for general info, the site has Scottish censuses 1841 to 1911.
The other databases are:
Statutory Registers 1855-2009
(registration began in 1855; access to recent records is restricted and has to be requested by mail)
Births
Marriages
Deaths
Old Parish Registers pre-1855
(theoretically back to 1538, the earliest records, but coverage before 1855 is spotty -- I did find my grx3 grfather from southern England remarrying there circa 1840, inexplicably, and his wife's death there, but damned if I can find anything else about her)
Births & Baptisms
Banns & Marriages
Deaths & Burials
Catholic Registers 1700s to 1900s
Births & Baptisms
Banns & Marriages
Deaths & Burials
Other Events
familsearch.org does have many of these records -- I see my grx3 grfather's marriage is there now, as records get added. I was able to get the actual image at SP.
So if, for instance, you have the names of a couple who emigrated to the US, you could try parish registers at SP to see whether you could identify their marriage.
If so, you would have struck gold, because there's a good chance it would name both parents of both parties, including mother's birth surnames. And then if you could identify their deaths in Scotland, the death records would give both of their parents' names, and possibly their marriage details as well.
- Edit - or if you know the name of a child the couple had in Scotland who emigrated with them, the child's baptism record might give both parents' names and the parents' marriage info. Or if you just know the name of one person but have a good idea of the person's year of birth, you could try for their baptism record.
In English parish records (registration there began in 1837), by the time you get back to the late 1700s, you often find that only the father's name is given in baptism records, and if the mother is named there is virtually never a surname.
Scottish parish records are very complete in that regard, whereas English marriage registrations, for example, give only fathers' names for the parties.
If you are comfortable PMing me I could take a shot at helping with an SP search, but I don't have any active credits at the moment -- they expire after a certain time -- or I'd volunteer them for you.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)there and what they could count on for support once they were there. That kind of history would be helpful to me. All I have is a name and a date and then some geneology (not a lot). Where exactly did my forbear land in America? I'm guessing Georgia from the history but I don't know. And how did my Campbells from Georgia then get to Texas (i know how the Browns got there)?
This is a big historical question mark to me. I would love to have some historical context within which to put my original forbears in this country. It would help...
iverglas
(38,549 posts)If you wish to contribute to this useful work of transcribing passenger lists, we recommend that you contact the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild to offer your assistance.
link to Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild
http://www.immigrantships.net/departures/scotland.html
with a very few ships transcribed.
There looks to be useful info at the scottishfamily site, but unfortunately at least one link I tried is dead.
The google results included:
http://www.thereformation.info/scotemgn.htm
which does have some general info about reasons for emigrating and emigration patterns.
I wonder whether he was on one of those eight large ships, or even came from the tiny isle of Eigg!
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)thank you! A good, rich read for background...
I so appreciate it!
Sounds like you might be Scottish also, yes?
iverglas
(38,549 posts)(Whatever that is!)
One set of grandparents emigrated to Canada from England as children, separately with their parents, in the early 1900s.
Other set of grandparents immigrated as a couple with a child in the 1920s. So I'm only third-generation Canadian, and UK records are my thing. Been doing this a long time and have cracked literally countless cases for total strangers on the net. Some would say it's a hobby, some might say an obsession ...
I have one ... lemme work it out again ... I think it's grx4 grfather who shows in early English censuses (he lived a very long life) as born in "Ireland" c1770. Ireland. Well, he will forever be a mystery, I fear. Can't even find a marriage for him in England that might give a father's name, and his kids were all born in England well before registration so there's no mother's surname info.
That grx3 grfather of mine just made some kind of side trip to Scotland sometime between the early 1820s and late 1830s, was there for the 1841 census, then tripped on back home to go live in the workhouse for the next 20+ years. His son was in Kent by 1841, no idea what happened to his first wife or whether he had other children anywhere. But if we did not have these things to annoy us, we would have no fun at all. Fortunately, I have a few exceedingly annoying ancestors, so I'm set for life.
iverglas
(38,549 posts)I just realized you'd said the name was Alexander Campbell. !!
Search for marriages in parish records 1775 to 1790 (just assuming for the moment he married in Scotland):
Your search found 94 matches
If he managed to marry a Mary, for instance ... only 10 possibles!
But if he didn't marry before leaving Scotland and you have no info at all about his parents, well, an exact year of birth could help.
Alexander Campbell born 1760 to 1770 ...
Your search found 96 matches.
Have you considered DNA analysis?
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)iverglas
(38,549 posts)Registration is easy and free, and then you can just bumble around. It will log you off periodically, but just log back in.
Alexander Campbell married to Sarah, 1783 to 1790: Your search found 3 matches.
Without at least one more little piece of info about him, a parent's name from some record in the US, or a date of birth, something, identifying him in Scotland is just going to be not possible.
I imagine there's a good chance his marriage was in the US and he emigrated as a single man at the time.
I don't know much of anything about US records, other than the censuses. I did, a few years ago, establish that a young friend in NC is descended from a drummer in the Revolutionary War. She thought her gr-grfather had immigrated to the US in the 1890s under some false pretence. Once I figured out who he really was and got back two more generations, it was pie, since of course there are a gazillion other descendants from the drummer who have documented everything. Like with my families, though, nobody had bothered tracing her line.
Do you have your guy in early US censuses? Ages of children could be a clue to where and when he married. Oh rats, of course, early censuses don't show wives and kids. But you know which of his kids you're descended from, so you know date and place of birth for that one?
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)able to learn that Watt was the nickname for males named Washington, so doubtless Watt was born in the U.S.
I just have no idea exactly when Alexander got here or to which port he landed. Could have been Savannah or Charleston. I'd have to get more of a specific reading on where the Scottish immigrants originally landed in the U.S. due to the clearances and I haven't researched a book on that piece of American history. sounds like a great project, tho!
RZM
(8,556 posts)Apparently that side is mostly Irish, though we have a Scottish name.
I have detailed information about my mother's side (they are German), going back to the 1500s. But very little on the other side. I was hoping other family members would do the legwork but it looks like it's going to fall on me
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Irish and Scot-Irish"?
Instead of going into the history, I decided to just tell her the truth. I got a smile when I said "We're better looking."
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)My Scottish ancestor I do know was in the vicinity of Jamestown VA in 1630 as there's absolute verification of his arrival "from across the sea." He came to avoid death at the hands of King James for being involved in the Protestant plot to kill Mary Queen of Scots. He went on to become a farmer and had only one son. This ancestor's father in Scotland had been a "practitioner of the black arts," so the witch thing was involved. I don't think they were witches. I think they were herbalists & doctors.
My Scottish relatives seem to have been very clannish & inbred, as they married VA and NC Scots so much they actually had some cousins bring the branches of the family tree together again in the mid-1800's....
Anyway--thanks for generating all this helpful info on the subject of Scottish ancestry. I still want to know more about the family in Scotland before 1600 if I can get any info that far back.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)in this country! It's a shame, really, when you think about it. I am from Texas and my forebears obviously were immigrants to a coastal city, probably Charleston but maybe Atlanta, before they settled in Georgia. The other side of my family, the Browns, were in Griffin, GA when Sherman's army went through on its mile wide march to the sea and they were in the way. They got in a covered wagon and left for Texas. These are all interesting stories and should be told. We know less about our heritage than the Irish, because theirs is more recent and there was better record keeping. It's too bad...
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and turn it into a book...I know there are interesting stories about some of these Scots--I've heard a few.
I'm also interested in the fact that there were Jews in the early colonies.
CountAllVotes
(21,068 posts)That could very well be one of mine -- very close relationship to me.
In fact I found a partial obit. on one of them and he was a Freemason and into all of these Scottish rites, etc.
I thought they were Irish at first but it seems Scotland is where they were from.
More here re: my connection to the Campbell family (last seen in Texas).
http://www.preservationlongview.com/
This man here is the grandfather my mother never knew:
He favors my late brother. No one had a bald head like that in my father's family, no one. However, my late brother (1960-2004) looked just like him!
Let me know if you have a connection to this particular line of Campbells!
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)My mother was born there in 1911. I am not entirely sure how she eventually got to Dallas, but I was born there. So at some point she migrated there and met my father. She probably went to Dallas early in the Depression, since El Paso wasn't much of a great place to be in those days...she told me stories of Pancho Villa riding in and shooting up the town. My mother and her sister would hide under the bed...
CountAllVotes
(21,068 posts)I am also related to the Brown family from Georgia. They ended up in part in Arkansas after the Trail of Tears (c. 1830).
I never knew anything either. No one ever said a word about Texas, etc.
I've learned about them after many years of research.
As for the Brown family -- lots of them. Mine were from No. Carolina and were living in Leake, Mississippi c. 1870 or so. I think they too were Indian -- Cherokee/Choctaw.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)U.S. circa 1790. Who knows what happened between then and my grandmother's birth (probably also in TX, since her husband James Brown emigrated as a small child to TX from GA when his family's little farm in Griffin was "in the way" of Sherman on his March to the Sea). There is no mention in family documents about native Americans. I do not that Alexander had a son named Watt, which a historian has told me is a shortened form of "Washington." That's about the extent of what I know about this side of my family.
CountAllVotes
(21,068 posts)Luckily, I found my late mother's first cousin alive and living in Indiana.
She has written an entire book w/pictures in it of this family. How is that for something called luck!?
Some of them, not all of them though, were part-Indian no doubt.
When I spoke with her she told me, "Well Aunt Sallie used to say that Grandma was Indian".
I have Grandma's picture and yeah, she was part Indian alright. She ID's in the census as being "white" and says that her parents were from "The United States of America".
It wasn't until the final census (1920) which she appears for the final time at age of 86 years that she finally stated that her parents were both born in Georgia.
BIG SIGH.
Sad really. It was shameful to be Indian in those days and now it is considered "cool" or "awesome".
I should have said that some Campbells and Browns were part Indian in some cases, certainly not all.
You can check the Dawes Roll on ancestry.com.
Type in these surnames and you'll see what I mean about this.
Best of luck with your ongoing research.
The longer I go with this, the bigger it gets!
I like!
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)they were rivals to the Campbells back in the day in the old country...they're expecting a son in January and I'm betting that MacKenzie will make it into the kid's name...
CountAllVotes
(21,068 posts)Some of the Irish Campbells descend from Niall of the Nine hostages FYI. That is a very big deal actually.
More re: Niall of Nine Hostages here
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Niall_of_the_Nine_Hostages
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I have found out more re: the person I am still researching (a Campbell) and the thing with being a Mason.
Text as follows:
>> __ Campbell was engaged in the oil royalty business in Jefferson and Longview and had several wells in production in Marion County. He was a well-known Mason, holding the thirty-second degree of York and Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite, and his wife was an active member of the Order of the Eastern Star.
I hope he enjoyed his life, that is about all I dare say at the moment. He wasn't worthy of being a descendent of Niall of the Nine hostages IMO.
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Interesting stuff, all of it, no doubt!
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)Welsh than that! Ijust wish I had more background on the Welsh side...I do know there was a Hardy also...and the English with a Melton...
CountAllVotes
(21,068 posts)Same side of the family btw ... Texas/Missouri/etc.
I bet we are related.
CTyankee
(65,032 posts)been, and now I am sorry I didn't ask. I do have a bunch of very old photographs with people I haven't a clue about. I have looked at their faces trying to face the trace of a resemblance to someone in the family, but to no avail...
My grandfather (whom I never knew, he died before I was born) was a Southern Baptist preacher and that was enough for my father to leave for the big city when he graduated from high school. He went to Dallas. That's where I was born and was raised...
htuttle
(23,738 posts)It might help me trace one apparently Scots-Irish line that I've traced back to the Cumberland valley in Pennsylvania in 1756. I've assumed they were Scots-Irish, since our earliest ancestor on that side fought in the militia from Antrim Township (named after County Antrim) during the Revolutionary War.
I've been looking primarily at Northern Irish history to try to understand and dig out their story, but it's possible that the Clearances played a role in the timing of their migration to North America. My earliest traced ancestor in that line was born in the Cumberland only 10 years after Culloden.
The family name on that side appears all over the British Isles (and in fact, I have at least one unrelated English line with the same name), but when found in Scotland, seems like it's usually associated with lowland and border Scots.
The Clearances primarily affected Highland Scots, as I understand it, but I wonder if the pressure from ongoing migrations out of Scotland (to Northern Ireland) helped push my Lowland Scot family to the new world?