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sheshe2

(87,464 posts)
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 08:38 PM Jan 2023

Sundance Jury Members Walk Out Over Closed Captioning Issues

Over the past few years, it’s thankfully become more common to find screenings with closed captioning at your local multiplex. Not just theaters that hand out closed captioning devices — which often require another layer of artifice between the audience and the movie — but actual onscreen captions. And while you might assume that a major American festival like the Sundance Film Festival would be a trendsetter in this regard, it appears that the opposite is true — and that the issue of closed captioning has become a major controversy at this year’s screenings.

According to Variety, members of the Sundance competition jury walked out of the premiere of “Magazine Dreams” when a faulty caption device was given to juror Marlee Matlin — effectively making it impossible for her to participate in the screening. The articles notes that the device was repaired “hours later,” but that this issue inspired members of the jury to write an open letter to festival filmmakers to encourage them to include “open caption DCP” prints. “The U.S. independent cinema movement began as a way to make film accessible to everyone,” Variety quotes, “not just those with the most privileges among us.”

According to Variety‘s sources, several filmmakers have rejected requests to have onscreen captioning, citing the “costs and time associated with making another print” as their reasoning. Variety even cites concern that onscreen captioning could make films less desirable to potential buyers — a stupefying piece of commentary that will hopefully warrant its own piece of investigative journalism from one of the onsite trades.

Setting aside the accessibility issues that a lack of closed captioning raises — which, one should note, are reason enough to implement changes — this conflict is happening at a time where movie audiences have become accustomed (or even dependent on) closed captioning in their home viewing experiences. Studies even suggest that younger audiences view closed captioning as an essential part of their viewing experience, with 70% of Gen Z in particular reporting that they use subtitles “most of the time” during home viewing experiences. All of which is to say that there has never been a better degree of both awareness and acceptance for the utility of closed captioning, and it feels like a significant missed opportunity to not embrace that wholeheartedly.

https://theplaylist.net/sundance-closed-captioning-20230121/

I use closed captioning all the time now. I haven't been to a movie in decades. Try wearing a hearing aid, the loud sounds are too loud even for someone with normal hearing and when people speak, impossible to hear.

I have worn hearing aids for about 30 years. It is a hereditary issue in my family, paternal side, Dad, sibs, grandparents, cousins and second cousins. Sad Sundance and filmakers are dragging their feet on this.To put it bluntly, it s*cks.

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Sundance Jury Members Walk Out Over Closed Captioning Issues (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2023 OP
Wow. That's some pretty indifferent thinking on the part of filmmakers. vanlassie Jan 2023 #1
Agreed. sheshe2 Jan 2023 #5
Most background sounds are so loud on movies that even folks with normal hearing have problems. Srkdqltr Jan 2023 #2
Yep - many times the music or ambient stuff totally masks the dialog. SeattleVet Jan 2023 #6
I wish film makers could understand canetoad Sep 26 #7
I've used them since the late eighties. ggma Jan 2023 #3
Not just the words, the spelling too. sheshe2 Jan 2023 #4

vanlassie

(5,899 posts)
1. Wow. That's some pretty indifferent thinking on the part of filmmakers.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 08:43 PM
Jan 2023

I wonder if they realize that, just because THEY were fortunate enough to have normal hearing, in time they may come to realize that they will also want CC when they start to lose hearing due to old age. Most of my 65 plus friends rely on captioning.

sheshe2

(87,464 posts)
5. Agreed.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:21 PM
Jan 2023

Sad that they don't want a wider audience, especially in these times.

One in eight people in the United States (13 percent, or 30 million) aged 12 years or older has hearing loss in both ears, based on standard hearing examinations.5
About 2 percent of adults aged 45 to 54 have disabling hearing loss. The rate increases to 8.5 percent for adults aged 55 to 64. Nearly 25 percent of those aged 65 to 74 and 50 percent of those who are 75 and older have disabling hearing loss.6


https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/statistics/quick-statistics-hearing#:~:text=One%20in%20eight%20people%20in,based%20on%20standard%20hearing%20examinations.&text=About%202%20percent%20of%20adults,adults%20aged%2055%20to%2064.

Srkdqltr

(7,656 posts)
2. Most background sounds are so loud on movies that even folks with normal hearing have problems.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 08:49 PM
Jan 2023

Also some dialog is so garbled that portions of the movie are lost.

SeattleVet

(5,588 posts)
6. Yep - many times the music or ambient stuff totally masks the dialog.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:49 AM
Jan 2023

Can't count the times we've had to stop a DVD and go back to try to hear what the last line was. We've started turning on captioning for some movies and we also just bought a voice-boost soundbar. (We'll see how well that works when we finally get a chance to hook it up.)

canetoad

(18,121 posts)
7. I wish film makers could understand
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 04:25 AM
Sep 26

That deafness is not just turning down the volume in your ears. For me the sounds become muddled and muddied...if voices speak clearly and slowly enough, I can parse the meaning of what I cannot hear by considering context.

Some documentaries start with a loud urgent type of introductory music. It makes me want to scream, it's so unpleasant. But in my opinion, the very worst is dubbing over another language in English while the original plays quietly in the background. The two streams of speech in two different languages are nothing but senseless mumble jumble.

On Edit: OMG, I just saw the date of this thread five minutes after posting. My apologies for reviving a long dead thread - or maybe not!

ggma

(711 posts)
3. I've used them since the late eighties.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 09:44 PM
Jan 2023

A couple of grandkids have told me that it helped them learn to read.

gg

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