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alfredo

(60,135 posts)
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 03:39 PM Aug 2017

My eating experiment showed I'm not ready to move down to 3 cans per day

I thought I could get the calories I needed to stabilize my weight, but I couldn't eat enough calories to kept my weight up without bread, cheese, and meat. I think brow rice could help because it has 200 calories per cup. I made some bean and rice tacos, but that didn't provide 300 cals. I lost eight lbs over the past few weeks. Maybe a bit of deep fried veggies would help? I'm from Kentucky and we believe, "if you can't deep fry it, it ain't food."

So, have any advice for a resurrected vegetarian that needs to keep from wasting away?

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My eating experiment showed I'm not ready to move down to 3 cans per day (Original Post) alfredo Aug 2017 OP
Beans! Red Beans and rice, bean burritos... MLAA Aug 2017 #1
Any 'white' food will put on calories.. pangaia Aug 2017 #2
I was eating salads, a lot of them. Steamed cabbage! alfredo Aug 2017 #13
OKRA !!!!!!!!!! blechkkkk pangaia Aug 2017 #34
Put okra in soups to thicken the broth. alfredo Aug 2017 #40
Nope. I refuse. pangaia Aug 2017 #41
If you have trouble swallowing you will like it. alfredo Aug 2017 #44
Thank goodness. mahina Aug 2017 #32
Thank you.. And keep knocking along with me.. pangaia Aug 2017 #35
I bought a bag of pecans and am snacking on them daily. Beans and rice yes. alfredo Aug 2017 #54
Right now, it's about your health. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #3
I've been doing calorie checks, but I still don't eat enough. alfredo Aug 2017 #14
Poached eggs won't do it. If you do not like to or can't cook BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #21
Breads are tough to swallow. I bought some nuts to chew on. alfredo Aug 2017 #25
Eggs are good. I'll keep on you. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #23
If you can eat spaghetti, use lots of sauce. pangaia Aug 2017 #36
Yes! Fatty sauces, especially store-bought kind. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #42
Oh you shouldn't have. Now I am drooling, pangaia Aug 2017 #46
Aloha Solly Mack, good to see you. mahina Aug 2017 #30
Hi, mahina. Glad to see you too! :) Solly Mack Aug 2017 #31
If you want the calories as opposed to nutrition BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #4
Cheese is a problem, and ice cream makes me cough. alfredo Aug 2017 #15
Feta is too salty as it comes sweetroxie Aug 2017 #51
The salt is why I say not much. alfredo Aug 2017 #53
Ice cream x3/day. Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #5
Turkey Hill fudge royale. Yum alfredo Aug 2017 #16
Yes, absolutely anything you want. Guilt free. Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #24
Beans ,nuts, legumes, rice, avocado nutmilks nut butters . What is your aim ?No dairy wheat & meat? lunasun Aug 2017 #6
I think I need some pecans. alfredo Aug 2017 #17
If you're from Kentucky... Liberal Jesus Freak Aug 2017 #7
Dadgummit, Liberal Jesus Freak! Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #10
Right?!?! Liberal Jesus Freak Aug 2017 #12
I picked up some cashews and pecans. alfredo Aug 2017 #27
Picking them up is a great start, Alfredo, pangaia Aug 2017 #37
I did a few curls with them, then had a small handful of cashews alfredo Aug 2017 #38
Beans and greens, ham hocks and white beans, corn fritters yummo alfredo Aug 2017 #18
Yes, breakfast of champions. alfredo Aug 2017 #26
black rice lots of butter and garlic...the same thing with corn-cut off the cob... samnsara Aug 2017 #8
I've been eating a lot of corn on the cob. alfredo Aug 2017 #19
I will tell you an old, but true, story. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #9
At this time, I can't eat carrots. alfredo Aug 2017 #20
Black beans and rice and salsa is very filling. forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #11
Black bean hummus is so good it has to be a sin. alfredo Aug 2017 #22
Oh yeah. forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #50
Enjoy alfredo Aug 2017 #52
Full fat, full sugar ice cream. Boost nutritional drinks have about 380 cals, I Nay Aug 2017 #28
I've been taking a souped up version of Boost, 495 calories. alfredo Aug 2017 #29
Be careful that you get proper nutrition Nac Mac Feegle Aug 2017 #33
Ive been roasting cashew, and they are wonderful. alfredo Feb 2018 #61
Get a blender and make heavy cream soups using real cream and cheeses. And in sinkingfeeling Aug 2017 #39
That sounds wonderful! Easy on the throat and filled with calories. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #43
I feel so guilty PennyK Aug 2017 #45
I started smoking at 10, and quit at age 27. alfredo Aug 2017 #49
My daughter's suggestion is protein powder PennyK Aug 2017 #47
I get, for free, 2cal liquid meals. I supplement it with vegetarian meals. alfredo Aug 2017 #48
Fat bombs. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #55
Great Idea. I pigged out on some cheese dip yesterday, but that is bad fat. alfredo Sep 2017 #56
I'm on a close to ketogenic diet to manage diabetes Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #57
Yeah, I generally use olive oil. BTW, Peanut butter and chocolate chips. yum alfredo Sep 2017 #58
Steel cut oats wiley Feb 2018 #59
I am making a pinto bean, barley, tomato, and pork jowl soup. alfredo Feb 2018 #60

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. Any 'white' food will put on calories..
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 03:56 PM
Aug 2017

bread, noodles, rice, potatoes, ( well most white food) surely not daikon, tacos, yes burritos..
Eat at Mexcian and Italian restaurants

I went vegan for a little over a year starting in 2012 when I was diagnosed with lymphoma-- had no trouble keeping weight on. unfortunately. :&gt )

Weight is still there. Lymphoma is gone.. knock knock knock

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
13. I was eating salads, a lot of them. Steamed cabbage!
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:08 PM
Aug 2017

Hummus and Ba Ba Ganoush with fried corn tortillas is a real pleasure.

I fill up too fast

Potatoes don't settle well with me, but I try.

Okra has been my savior

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
34. OKRA !!!!!!!!!! blechkkkk
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:24 PM
Aug 2017

one of the things I can not even look at, along with brussel sprouts and,, what's the other one????..LIMA BEANS !!!!!!

eeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiii

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
41. Nope. I refuse.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:40 PM
Aug 2017

Reminfs me of snot.




But sounds like you enjoy it, which us great, the more things you can eat the better.

Oh, if you like dumplings..from all over the world, there many many so delicious kinds..

My favourites are many Chinese types, especially xiao long bao- the soup dumplings famous around Shanghai, and the wonderful Sichuan dumplings, won tons, actually, in a sweet chili sauce.

Many are also vegan as well.....

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
44. If you have trouble swallowing you will like it.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:54 AM
Aug 2017

I tried won ton soup a few months ago but the liquid was so thick and the meat turned to sand in my mouth.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. Thank you.. And keep knocking along with me..
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:34 PM
Aug 2017

I had diffuse large B-Cell lymphoma in one place on my spine..

Had surgery, 3 months of chemo (just 4 5-hour sessions) R-CHOP, 4 lumbar punctures and a bone marrow extraction...

I was in a very good clinical trial at a very good cancer center to try to avoid radiation....

Hope you continue to do well....



Solly Mack

(92,819 posts)
3. Right now, it's about your health.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:03 PM
Aug 2017

I ate soy products and "fake" meat for years before my cancer but had to include the real thing back into my diet once my weight got dangerously low. You don't want that to happen. I was in the hospital for a month and I got nutrients through IVs and shots. My blood stopped clotting and my body wasn't functioning properly. My hair was falling out and doctors who were smiling when they came through the door stopped cold when they looked at me, their smiles wiped from their faces. That said more about my condition than any of their words. I had 6 doctors on my case, including my oncologist, before the month was over. It would not be an exaggeration to say I was dying.

I'll be ever so angry at you if you get to that point! Sad, worried, yes...but still angry.

If you can swallow fried veggies, go for it.

Just do whatever it is you have to do!

Please.

Plan menus with calories in mind. Same as when dieting but only the reverse. You want the calories.



alfredo

(60,135 posts)
14. I've been doing calorie checks, but I still don't eat enough.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:12 PM
Aug 2017

It's like my stomach has shrunk. If I can stay around 175, I'd be happy. I will poach a couple eggs later.

Keep on me to eat.

BigmanPigman

(52,259 posts)
21. Poached eggs won't do it. If you do not like to or can't cook
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:22 PM
Aug 2017

or shop often buy and make stuff in batches. Cookies have a lot of calories. If you need to be reminded to eat, keep them all over your place on dishes (visual reminder) especially by your TV chair and bed.

Solly Mack

(92,819 posts)
23. Eggs are good. I'll keep on you.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:41 PM
Aug 2017

You have to eat.

Try sauces. On anything and everything that can bear a sauce.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. If you can eat spaghetti, use lots of sauce.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:37 PM
Aug 2017

Most store bought sauces are like 97% sugar !! LOL

Oh, and pout grated cheese on it..

Solly Mack

(92,819 posts)
42. Yes! Fatty sauces, especially store-bought kind.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:08 AM
Aug 2017

Eggs with hollandaise, too.

Crepes with Havarti cheese sauce. Delicate, flavored with dill. White sauce, add havarti and dill, slow melt. Fill crepes. Yummy!

Very fattening.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
46. Oh you shouldn't have. Now I am drooling,
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:51 AM
Aug 2017

We have a crepe place in town, but pretty boring choices.

For brunch I am now making a simple favorite of mine from the Jinagnan region of China, meaning 'south of the river.' the Yangtze in this case- west and south of and including Shanghai-- one of the great 4, or 7-depending on how one counts- cuisine of China.

Xia Ren Chao Dan - golden scrambled eggs with shrimp. -- a little potato starch, white pepper, salt, green onion, Shaoxing wine.... um delicious....

recipe from a restaurant in Hangzhou--

BigmanPigman

(52,259 posts)
4. If you want the calories as opposed to nutrition
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:15 PM
Aug 2017

stick with high fat foods and not high sugar. Nuts and nut butter have calories and nutrition as you know. Cheese and ice cream are also good sources of fat and are tasty too.

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
15. Cheese is a problem, and ice cream makes me cough.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

I can eat feta cheese, but not much.

I haven't had a donut since Feb 2016. Sad

sweetroxie

(776 posts)
51. Feta is too salty as it comes
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:29 AM
Aug 2017

but if you soak it in water for a day or 2, it becomes a wonderful, tasty and creamy cheese that's wonderful. Not strong like the original, but much easier to take.

Laffy Kat

(16,523 posts)
5. Ice cream x3/day.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:18 PM
Aug 2017

That's my prescription. Preferably Ben & Jerry's or Hagan Daz or another high-fat variety.

Laffy Kat

(16,523 posts)
24. Yes, absolutely anything you want. Guilt free.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:10 PM
Aug 2017

This is one time in your life you can eat with abandon! High-fat ice cream came really put on the pounds (trust me), has calcium and protein. Go for it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
6. Beans ,nuts, legumes, rice, avocado nutmilks nut butters . What is your aim ?No dairy wheat & meat?
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:21 PM
Aug 2017

Rice noodles with tofu and peanut oil that's some calories there. Nut butters are pretty high in calories . Quinoa or other grains with squash, pumpkin or succhini and tomatoe sauce
Unsweetened coconut
Plain Sweet potatoes or red ,white potatoes
Almond, Walnut or Cashew butter on celery sticks a few tbsp of those will get you over 300cal

Liberal Jesus Freak

(1,457 posts)
7. If you're from Kentucky...
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:34 PM
Aug 2017

...then you must be familiar with the trifecta: soup beans, corn bread, and fried potatoes. Slather one piece of corn bread with butter. Crumble one piece into your beans and add hot chow chow. Enjoy over and over--we do

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
10. Dadgummit, Liberal Jesus Freak!
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:03 PM
Aug 2017

I'll preheat the oven.

My favorite dinner, I make that for my own birthday dinner every year. My friends know to never ask me out to dinner on my birthday.

Grew up in Arkansas, where beans are almost a daily staple. Mmmm.

Liberal Jesus Freak

(1,457 posts)
12. Right?!?!
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:24 PM
Aug 2017

Some people call them brown beans but I've always called them soup beans. No sugar in the corn bread and onion in the taters if you have it. We had it for dinner two nights ago...finishing off the corn bread tonight

samnsara

(18,282 posts)
8. black rice lots of butter and garlic...the same thing with corn-cut off the cob...
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

...the smoke some pot.....

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
9. I will tell you an old, but true, story.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:48 PM
Aug 2017

When in her thirties, my aunt had trouble keeping weight on. She was otherwise healthy. A doctor told her to drink one juice glass (small glass) of wine, everyday, one hour before supper. It actually worked! The wine increased her appetite, and she never got heavy, which she was kind of afraid of.

And as an aside...eating raw carrots makes me have a stronger appetite; so much so that I won't eat them as a dinner appetizer, only as a snack.

Just my experience. Best to you!

forgotmylogin

(7,676 posts)
11. Black beans and rice and salsa is very filling.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:06 PM
Aug 2017

Peanut butter can be ~180-200 calories for two tablespoons - lots of calories, easy to eat a lot of it.

Cut up some corn tortillas and fry some fresh chips to eat with refried beans, black beans, salsa, guacamole and black olives. (1 whole avocado ~235 calories and lots of good fat).

1/2 cup hummus has 200 calories, eat that on your corn chips, or with veggies and celery to boost calories.

Can you eat potatoes? I could eat mashed potatoes every night. ~215 calories in a cup (more if you like butter) and I always eat way more than that.

forgotmylogin

(7,676 posts)
50. Oh yeah.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 08:18 AM
Aug 2017

I got some "refried black beans" in a can once and they were superior to the regular ones (pinto?). I suppose I could just mush regular black beans into a paste for the same effect. I'm going to have to look up a black bean hummus recipe, that sounds amazing.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
28. Full fat, full sugar ice cream. Boost nutritional drinks have about 380 cals, I
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

believe. Anything that goes down easily like ice cream, Boost, cream, etc., will help you keep weight on.

Good luck to you!

Nac Mac Feegle

(978 posts)
33. Be careful that you get proper nutrition
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:36 PM
Aug 2017

Rice and beans provide a complete protein. You don't have to mix them together, just eat them near each other.

Nuts provide "good" fat.

Olive oil, extra virgin is best, provides "good" fat and flavor.

FRESH IS BEST when it comes to spices.

Do Not Fear the Spice Rack. Enjoy what you eat, if you are 'going vegan' you can have flavor, you don't have to eat grass and twigs.

Get balanced nutritionally, you can get quite ill by neglecting that.

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
61. Ive been roasting cashew, and they are wonderful.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 10:02 AM
Feb 2018

Hummus doused with olive oil, eaten with toasted WW pita is my go to comfort food. A bit of jalapeño pumps up the favor and Vit C.

sinkingfeeling

(52,993 posts)
39. Get a blender and make heavy cream soups using real cream and cheeses. And in
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:46 PM
Aug 2017

any vegetable that you like.

Solly Mack

(92,819 posts)
43. That sounds wonderful! Easy on the throat and filled with calories.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:10 AM
Aug 2017

Thank you, sinkingfeeling.

I'm going to try it myself.

PennyK

(2,312 posts)
45. I feel so guilty
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:21 AM
Aug 2017

I had a completely different situation (breast cancer).
My taste buds are still not back all the way from chemo (which basically means that I can't eat Thai food lol), but my biggest complaint these days is that I have bald spots. I consider myself lucky. I smoked for many years and I'm actually glad I got breast, rather than lung, cancer. Lot easier to get a new boobie than to live without a lung.

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
49. I started smoking at 10, and quit at age 27.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:54 PM
Aug 2017

I worked outdoors, so if I was going to get cancer it would either from the sun, or from smoking. Little did I know I had the HPV virus. Oh those wild and crazy 60's.

Here's hoping your cancer is gone for good.

Your taste buds will come back, how long it takes is dependent on your age. How are your salivary glands?

Bald spots suck. I guess you have been exploring the wonderful world of silk scarves, and dangling earrings. I lost my beard. I now have a pitiful goatee, and sideburns.

PennyK

(2,312 posts)
47. My daughter's suggestion is protein powder
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 12:11 PM
Aug 2017

...added to the fluid of your choice. She's a mostly-vegetarian who is extremely athletic, and although quite petite, is very tuned-in to nutrition. She feels that those shakes are not really good for you.

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
48. I get, for free, 2cal liquid meals. I supplement it with vegetarian meals.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:43 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:42 AM - Edit history (1)

Today I made braciole for my wife. I filled the tomato sauce with veggies and mushrooms, so I could enjoy my efforts. I wrapped the meat around a hard boiled egg and fresh rosemary. I steamed some Napa Cabbage with fennel seeds. All of that was on a bed of Israeli Couscous.

I used Berbere powder to give it a kick.

Ms. Toad

(35,523 posts)
57. I'm on a close to ketogenic diet to manage diabetes
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 12:29 PM
Sep 2017

I figured fat would go down pretty easily - and wasn't off-limits since you were talking about fried foods. Fat has about double the calories of carbs/meat per gram. A little goes a long way. (And, many of the ones I've tried are really delicious.)

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
58. Yeah, I generally use olive oil. BTW, Peanut butter and chocolate chips. yum
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:36 PM
Sep 2017

I can swallow it. Tonight was 240 calories of fried okra dipped in catsup.

wiley

(2,921 posts)
59. Steel cut oats
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 08:52 AM
Feb 2018

Soak in several washes of clean cool water over 48 hours. Pressure steam or slow cook. I Vitamx or blend with homemade kefir, yogurt or sweet miso, honey and three to five tablespoons of coconut oil. Fiber, protein, calories and accessible calories galore! Blend with ice if needed. Make ice from fruit juice enhanced with vitamins if you like!

alfredo

(60,135 posts)
60. I am making a pinto bean, barley, tomato, and pork jowl soup.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:55 AM
Feb 2018

I will probably purée it if it is diddicult to swallow.

I puréed some of my wife’s Bison chili. It was wonderful, and easy to swallow.

My weight has stabilized at about 172, so I am doing the right thing.

I have been using red miso, and it is wonderful. There was no white miso, my go to miso.

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